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[gangster]

MY LAD COMES WITH ME COZ HE IS MY PARTNER PAID UP NOBODY SAYS NOWT TO HIM  COZ IF THEY DO THEY WILL NEED TO BE SEEING ME............AS IVE SAID SEAN  BANG OUT OF ORDER NO EXCUSES ..........

[pigeonpete]

:o omg!! what a load of Boll**ks!! how on earth can they ban children???. i would defo take this to the union, and write a letter to your mp, there is no legal reason why they can ban children from marking at the club > > my 8 year old son comes with me most weeks, and all the members are glad to see him and try to rncourage him best they can, after all if everyone banned children, there is going to be even less taking up this wonderful sport, dont they want to encourage new blood?? or are they of the thinking!! let look after ourselves i will be dead in 10 years!! what utter crap!! certain posts on here lately have really annoyed me!! but this takes the pi**!!

 

dont  QUIT sean! you will win this 110% confident if you go through the right channels,

 

have none of the others got kids, grandchildren?? > > >

 

god im so pi**ed off now!! can imagine how your feeling sean mate!

 

any help i can be e-mail me

 

all the best,chin up :'(

 

pete :-/

[Guest jason]

The wife is going potty over this one Sean.

 

Our kids have been going to our club since the eldest was 2 and a half and the middle one was 6 months old.

 

What has the RPRA and the region secretary had to say about all this?

 

If my misses was in charge she'd ban all the bar stools who are doing this to you and encourage your lads mates to come along with him.

 

Hope you get it sorted out mate.

 

Jason

[Sean]

im under rpra and nehu. the club flys under nehu im going to arrange a meeting with them for next week or as soon as their can arrange one.

im totally peed off at the moment regarding this i would like someone one to help me through this ie what to say to the union i dont wanna go with gun's flying and spoiling with what i seem to be a good chance of bring them to justice.so if anyone is willing to help plz pm me with any info.

many thanks

 

sean'o

[Guest]

I'd stick to common sense, Sean.

 

You are a single parent with sole responsibility for your child. Your child also has special needs and cannot be left with either a childminder or as the club suggests unattended in an open car. Cars get stolen with and without children in them.

 

You are both interested in pigeons. You need to attend race marking and clock checking and your child needs to accompany you. Both of these occasions would also become highlights of the child's week. The no-child rule discriminates against you as a single parent. It discrimates against families and it discriminates against disabled. I'd need to do a search, but I'd also say it discrimates against the Child -children have legal rights too.

 

You must pay your fees, then take it to the governing Union.

 

 

 

 

[Sean]

ok all iv been and visited nehu union this afternoon iv taken advise.

iv got untill 1st march to put an letter into club stating that i wish my son to go into partnership with me.

the letter already wrote and will be sent by hand to the sec today.the club as to have a meeting.then iv gotta wait to see what happen's.if that fail then i need to take it to the fed then so on.

 

think im going into the right direction

[Guest]

Definately take it further, discrimination in so many ways. I don't reckon a letter to the homing world regarding the state of our sport wouldn't go a miss either.

 

Christ at our club when we get a youngen join we do all we can to help them, clocks baskets birds etc. We even get them on the ringer when they come just to get them involved.

 

Disgraceful - name and shame them.

[jnr j]

maybe we should all contact the nehu via email and vocice are utter disgust at this clubs actions  COULD anybody put a link up so i can tell what i think

[Sean]

what bug's me the most is that my naubours new from day one that the birds was for my son and why didnt their say that no children was allowd why wait all this time 7 month to say u in the club but not your son why have secret meeting

 

this is all going bk to fed and so on their bang out of order their should have sent letters out about this meeting never got one infact was word of mouth is all i got on the day of meeting.

to me that meeting out of order and shouldnt stand.

[Seanthecamman]

hello sean i dont race pigeons so dont know nothing about rules ect ect but for them to tell you that your sons not welcome in the club is bang out of order what harms he going to do. whats their address and we can all send them letters about this. sean2

[Guest]

Convention on the Rights of the Child

 

Adopted and opened for signature, ratification and accession by General Assembly

resolution 44/25 of 20 November 1989

 

entry into force 2 September 1990, in accordance with article 49

 

 

Article 1

For the purposes of the present Convention, a child means every human being below the age of eighteen years unless under the law applicable to the child, majority is attained earlier.

 

Article 2

1. States Parties shall respect and ensure the rights set forth in the present Convention to each child within their jurisdiction without discrimination of any kind, irrespective of the child's or his or her parent's or legal guardian's race, colour, sex, language, religion, political or other opinion, national, ethnic or social origin, property, disability, birth or other status.

 

Article 23

1. States Parties recognize that a mentally or physically disabled child should enjoy a full and decent life, in conditions which ensure dignity, promote self-reliance and facilitate the child's active participation in the community.

 

Article 31

1. States Parties recognize the right of the child to rest and leisure, to engage in play and recreational activities appropriate to the age of the child and to participate freely in cultural life and the arts.

 

2. States Parties shall respect and promote the right of the child to participate fully in cultural and artistic life and shall encourage the provision of appropriate and equal opportunities for cultural, artistic, recreational and leisure activity.

 

 

[tubbles]

Lol i have heard some lousy rules in my time but this takes the biscuit. I am not a fan of having kids at the club but to set a rule in stone about it is something else. Surely the club realised that you had to bring him to the club when you applied. I would check that it is the pigeon society that is against you and not the pub/club itself, if it is the pub/club then ask them for (big word coming up) special dispensation playing on disability. WE all seem to think it is your pigeon club but they could be abiding by headquarters rules.

Make sure that you point out that he would not be in bar area and would be gone by whatever time marking is over. I know that our headquarters says children out at 8pm, it is worded better than that but that is the rule, we are at a Liberal club. In all honesty if you could get in another club that allows him in, I would join and let it slip what a lousy club that you were in.

 

Of course apologies to anyone from this so called society that maybe reading this lol NOT

[Sean]

can anybody plz state wat i need to put in my letter to the club  to let them know my son is going into partnership  with me just reading this one i did bk and dosnt sound right

 

iv been advise not to resine by the union i dont have to and their can not make me like their was trying to say if i want my son in partnership

[gangster]

sean you need to write a letter to the club  example......dear sirs  i would like to apply for a change of status ,from  sean *****  and now to fly as S&S **** FOR THE FORTHCOMING SEASON YOURS IN SPORT..s*****    keep it simple and to the point this an example sean if its like rpra thats all you need to write....in reality a word to your sec would do but coz the clubs being dicks its in writing they should  be no probs as your only asking for a change of status....mick goodluck   and keep calm dont give them any excuse....

[Guest Paulo]

dickheads even the fools at my club let kids come its how you get them interested I used to help with the baskets as a kid

[crazy pigeon boy]

what a joke how can they call them selfs a club dont they want to promote the sport i think i would look for other clubs in the area mate  >

[Sean]

ok this is how far iv got so far

been to nehu union office this afternoon i was advised to put a letter into club which iv just done  asking to change my status  to have my son in partership with me.

2 transfer all rings into partnership name which  iv just compleated the form need sending off now.

 

iv also put a letter in objecting to last meeting their had on 11 feb 2007.

this because i wasnt informed of the meeting  in writing 7 days befor.

im objecting from that meeting regarding no children allowed and discriminating against my disable child ect.

iv ask the sec to call a meeting we shall wait and see

 

any further info what to say and do at this meeting would be great

 

sean

[gangster]

NICE ONE SEAN NOW TRY TO KEEP YOUR COOL  COZ 1OR 2 MAY TRY TO GET YOU AT IT IN THE CLUB..YOU HAVE DONE IT ALL STRAIGHT AND ABOVE BOARD...........

[yearling]

hi jusy ask for a copy of all the minutes of these meetings,let them put theres heads in the noose,if they wanna use rules against you,then use them too.

[Sean]

thanks gangster

iv only been back 10 mins and the clubs sec already tryed phoning me sevral time but im not ready to take the call perhaps their sweting already knowing the fact their broken the rules.

 

iv also been inform that if im not happy after this meeting is to take it the combine/fed before it can go to union so we shall see what happens.

 

thanks for all the advise and keep it comming prohaps ill could leave the sec contact number and  their address for people to veiw their hanger

[Ronnie]

The way to go is fight fire with fire mate like yearling said in last post ask for minutes of the meeting and so forth.If all else fails mate look into starting a new club i'm sure if you was to write a letter to the BHW and explain there is no clubs for you and your lad then someone would open a boundry for you.

Cant believe how bad they are treating you mate .I would have come to full blown fisticuff's by now Hang in there and do it all properly mate .Good luck

[carl]

SEAN   i fly into almost the same area as you mate,i fly in Oddfellows hs in Sunderland,this would never happen in our club,i have taken my son along to basketing and to do the clocks since he was 2 years old,never has anyone complained about him,he has even been a bit loud and running around on striking of the clocks but never told i couldnt take him with me...Farringdon hs should be ashamed

[Sean]

hi carl just sent mail to u

[pigeonscout]

How can so many sad men be all members of the same club? A club can make as many rules as it likes but not one of them rules can break the law of the land. They cannot discriminate against you because you have to care for a disabled child and that child cannot be left on their own. I would ask them if they will take responsibly for the welfare of the child if anything should happen because you left the child unattained. If not then they have no choice but to let you have the child with you in club.

Personally I would not want to be in same room as these sad men who think it is better to stop a father and disabled child from enjoying this sport than it is to change a rule. If this sport has members that cannot make allowances for a man who has to care for a disabled child then I am ashamed to say I am part of it.

[frank-123]

sorry you are getting all this crap sean

i was on the ringer when i was six years old and was not even a member my pay was a big of chips and a can of juice  

hope you dont lose heart keep going dont let them win !!!!!!!