ETS

[gangster]

  ABIT LIKE TAMMY THEN................

[me]

 

 

 

 

YIP. and i think if u have so many members using not sure of the nimber unikon supplies the club equipment.

 

so do Unikon supply club equipment that allows all members to have their times recorded and processed regardless of the ETS system the individual club member has invested in Fifer?

 

[Roland]

Well was at another Club meeting tonight.... seems that the ET is a certain no goer. Seems one may even put it in the minutes that our club is a Manual Clok club only. Even if we all have to start the club again from scratch.

[Guest Gareth Rankin]

Central marking will be  a doddle with ETS, why, under the UnivES system that the FCI have adopted and endorse I can see no problems with central marking as this basically means Universal Entry System, in other words you can plug any make of clock in to the ringer and it will allow you to mark your birds and also obtain your race information on checking night, so there will be no problems what ever system you choose.

 

Hi Poacher

Can you tell me if the univES is on the market at present if so what is the price, what is the cost and who supplies it.

It will make a big difference if all the systems can be used of the one club equipment, at some central marking stations this year there could be 5 different systems getting used this year which will be one pain in the butt.

Cheers

Gareth

 

[Guest]

Can anyone tell me if the RPRA has passed any of the ets systems? as being totaly compatible yet as i belive that was the one main stipulation on being able to use them

[Poacher]

UnivES is the standard protocol that 5 of the 6 ETS manufactures work with so if the RPRA state that this is the protocol that they wish to use here in the UK then it will make no difference what manufactures clock you have as the ring sensors used at the clubs when marking the birds all work with this protocol

 

Now the 0ne of the six that at the moment does not have UnivES protocol has UnivesBE (Belgium) these too also work in the mode that the other 5 do, all the manufacturer has to do is put the same software in as the other 5 simple, then every system is Universal and work as each manufacturer intended, its realy as simple as that

[Poacher]

UnivES is not a clock it is the protocol for the software in the clocks and yes 6 of the 5 are already working with this so there is no problem for Central marking

[Guest Vic]

Can anyone tell me if the RPRA has passed any of the ets systems? as being totaly compatible yet as i belive that was the one main stipulation on being able to use them

 

Considering that the RPRA, having used the system in their one loft races, have automatically sanctioned the use of the electronic method. But who, may I ask?

where the all powerful ultimate deciding committee.   Vic.

[Poacher]

Cant answer that one, as I read it in the BHW it was the Council, but so what this is just a bit more progress if you dont want it dont have it, pigeon racing hasnt declined in any other country since ETS was introuced.

[noyonnorm]

Have to agree poacher, here in Australia we use clocks with thimbles, clocks without thimbles and ETS and to date i have not heard of 1 flyer that has left the sport due to the introduction of ETS. Those leaving are mostly due to the cost of racing, the losses in races, the time needed for looking after the pigeons or the fact that they are not competitive results wise.

Remember if you have not got a pigeon in the leading group then it does not matter what type of clock you have  you will not win or take a prize.

[me]

Remember if you have not got a pigeon in the leading group then it does not matter what type of clock you have  you will not win or take a prize.

 

you are probably right but i would bet a lot of money you are a lot younger than  "me". Years ago the unwritten law was time no more than 3 (unless it was a channel race) because it would put off decent honest guys who loved their doos to 2rub their noses in it" and I am afraid to say that is what is coming trust "me" this will cause alot of lads who look after their doos to call it a day. Sad really sad, but thats the way it goes hopefully these guys wiil join clubs who employ traditional timing methods better that than to lose them from the sport all together.

 

 

[Roland]

Have to agree poacher, here in Australia we use clocks with thimbles, clocks without thimbles and ETS and to date i have not heard of 1 flyer that has left the sport due to the introduction of ETS. Those leaving are mostly due to the cost of racing, the losses in races, the time needed for looking after the pigeons or the fact that they are not competitive results wise.

Remember if you have not got a pigeon in the leading group then it does not matter what type of clock you have  you will not win or take a prize.

 

Costs it seems, and of course ET's are real cheap to buy, and most want to have a level pitch .... ET's of course are discrimate against those that can't afford one... so when a few are stolen, or smashed on the allottments, thay bare being discriminated ... Rubbish mucker, of course many will leave and Ones like you will spout crap that it was really for something else... LMAO.

Still seems that the clubs I am in aren't going to have them, or allow them, and will even form Manual Clocking Clubs only, in case we are accused of discriminating against other CAGE BIRD keeper lol.

[Chatrace]

Does that mean the old windup,no batteries. Should also make everone fly natural instead of a darkness or light even stop widowhood. no traps at all have to catch them in the loft for clocking and repoert to the club within 30 min of 1st clocking

[Roland]

Does that mean the old windup,no batteries. Should also make everone fly natural instead of a darkness or light even stop widowhood. no traps at all have to catch them in the loft for clocking and repoert to the club within 30 min of 1st clocking

 

Sorry that is a silly ole saga that has never held water, nor ever will of course.... Just pleases twits in not having to actaully answer. And of course those left and those about to leave NEVER really say the truth as to why, just flimsy excuses that the afluent vcan't accept!

How can gaining an unfair advantage on most bring new members? Or make one hapy with their lot! How would FORCING those that can't afford their own lot let about any ones elses to PAY for Master timers of an ET which they won't, or can't ever be able to use, or benefit be progress, next your being say that Thadmidalite was GOOd be cause the odd one was able to conceive and have a baby, and the thousand of deformaties were just a price of progress. How can 25% leaving if enforced be good and beneficial! Indeed that alone means higher costs and less merit, and fewer the feather merchant to sll to, let alone take advantage of.

Sure if they leave the affluent won't care about the extra costs, they can well afford it! Your a joke stating that above! Yes a poor sick one but a joke never the less.

[tubbles]

Whille I do agree with you Roland about the rich can and the poor can't so it's not fair that way, when is the sport fair. I live in council property good size back garden so lucky really. I keep comfortably 15 cocks to race, I am in a club with a 20 bird limit, you can send extras in fed but they play no part in club race or averages, I race in a federation with NO limit and some members send upwards of 90 birds week in week out. That gives them 5/1 odds on me, that means blow home they might get twelve together and i may get one maybe two, in a disaster however they might get 4 maybe 5 and i'll probably get one if lucky. So lets not think the 'Sport' has ever been fair. I know all the arguments, send more, remove limit and such but financially 15 is a lot of birds for me to keep.

 

Picture the "Sport" with a rich fancier bringing his 45 in a squad chelsea team to play Tranmere rovers in a cup match with as many on the pitch as you like. Tranmere cant muster a 45 attendance never mind team. Would FIFA say that is FAIR no chance. So again lets not think what is fair.

 

The ETS while it seems that it was put through JUST for the disabled, who really believed it was a disabled fancier that appealed for it? not me thats for sure. If it was just for disabled people i think it would be good for the sport to keep them in it. but you look to your own clubs at the mob clockers and just imagine what this will help them do, and i am talking about people who actually do get them there fast.

[PIGEON_MAN]

If another fancier in your club clocks 20  before you have clocked 1 i,m sorry but it,s nothing to do with the clocking system he uses,that to me is a very poor excuse.

[me]

If another fancier in your club clocks 20  before you have clocked 1 i,m sorry but it,s nothing to do with the clocking system he uses,that to me is a very poor excuse.

 

 

only a complete and utter idiot would time 20 doos in a normal wee daft club race!

 

[PIGEON_MAN]

 

 

only a complete and utter idiot would time 20 doos in a normal wee daft club race!

 

So if i was unfortunate not to be at the loft when the birds came home(which could be likely in my job)and was using a ets could i prevent it from clocking 20 or even more birds.

[Roland]

Rubbish ... http://members.shaw.ca/MichalD/2006U2YO.htm

And that is up and down the country. If a ET flyer has his team within 15seconds of a manual clocker - behind - then the manual clocker won't be i the top 60 etc. Where is that progress! Make all the silly and selfish scenarios you wish. The facts are it s t steal a march... and at 1200 ypm EVEN 15 seconds is a lot!

Further since when is 'Cage Birds' been a sport... worse still no English goverment or any part of like MAFF / DAFRA has rocognised pigeons as even a HOBBY let alone a sport.

[tubbles]

Wouldn't it be nice if common sense could prevail but we are talking pigeon flyers here and some of them have Ego's bigger than theyr'e lofts. You know if one of the a**holes gets ten together he will want them all reading and on the sheet. Whilst i can't argue that if they beat me they have beat me, i thought that was obvious. But what would possess anyone to clock so many in just a club race with around 200 birds. That will see more and more people putting the clock straight in the cupboard for next week and who would blame them not I. you hear it all the time, "I had 12 drop together" and such but at least now we will see that they are not together, as i would say together as in twelve in five seconds.

 

I know ETS will not make the birds fly faster but the clocking advantage is all i am talking about.

[Guest]

 

So if i was unfortunate not to be at the loft when the birds came home(which could be likely in my job)and was using a ets could i prevent it from clocking 20 or even more birds.

 

No, the 'pocket clock' which you take down to the club, will keep timing pigeons until it is removed from the loft clock. The loft clock will keep timing until it is switched off.

[Chatrace]

Rubbish ... http://members.shaw.ca/MichalD/2006U2YO.htm

And that is up and down the country. If a ET flyer has his team within 15seconds of a manual clocker - behind - then the manual clocker won't be i the top 60 etc. Where is that progress! Make all the silly and selfish scenarios you wish. The facts are it s t steal a march... and at 1200 ypm EVEN 15 seconds is a lot!

Further since when is 'Cage Birds' been a sport... worse still no English goverment or any part of like MAFF / DAFRA has rocognised pigeons as even a HOBBY let alone a sport.

 

The result sheet you show was more than 15 sec to the 2nd place loft,it was almost 2min and the winner had to fly 12 miles more and did get several on the drop which looks like the pad may have been on the boards not in the loft, it had to of been a goodrace with most of the birds clocked within 30 min and there was a 20pmh wind they must have been blown around the short end that day

[gangster]

 

 

only a complete and utter idiot would time 20 doos in a normal wee daft club race!

 

and there are plenty around as well!!!!!!!

[THE FIFER]

would u like to get a place knowing that a lot more birds were in before u, but are not allowed to be timed, surely if u are competing against 300 birds those 300 are allowed to be timed, if not what are u competing agianst,

[Roland]

Yep Fifar... would you laike to see 20 land a few seconds after your's and not be in the top  20! Surely if you send to compete, you should be allowed your spoils when you actually win tem... otherwis why spend a lot of time effort, money and preparing if someone with a faster clock owned by one that can afford it beats you every time on a close race, even if 300 yards way when yours lands!