Unives 1.7 ETS

[HOMER49]

Hi expat1

We have a demo with Unikon this week. My club is looking at there Champ model

What questions should we ask ?

Form a personal point of view I was going to purchase 2 double pads to be placed next to one another , Your post seems to suggest that this can not be done

Cheers

Homer 49

[Guest TAMMY_1]

Hi expat1

We have a demo with Unikon this week. My club is looking at there Champ model

What questions should we ask ?

Form a personal point of view I was going to purchase 2 double pads to be placed next to one another , Your post seems to suggest that this can not be done

Cheers

Homer 49

 

Hi Alex , first question you should ask is will the birds be up this saturday in good or bad weather ? secondly you can put as many pads as you want in a row and there is only one small problem you have to over come and then the birds can be read after passing over any the pads, and for a fiver i will tell you how to make this work using as many pads in a row as you want  ;D

[expat1]

Hi

 

I have been asked by one posting fancier on here how much am i being paid for telling you in good faith what i know about the ETS and which in my opinion is the best having used it in Competition now for two years and had feed back on every ETS system on the market from the Belgian, Dutch and German Fanciers and my own experinces with some of them, Now my point is this

i have told you good people in a honest way.

can now two of the Fanciers here who have commented on my postings give me a straight answer to this question

and this question is to Dougie and Poacher.

Are ethier, or both of you involved in being an agent or selling the Unikon ETS system

expat1

[Jack Sprat]

Expat1 I am not sure that I do know everything,  this is why a simple yes or no would have done but you just seem to  be telling everyone Bricon is best, are you sure that you are not sponsored by Bricon, because you still have not answered yes or no to the question, perhaps you are a politician or a spin doctor.

 

the question is as simple as this is UNIVES1.7 the same comunication protocol UnivesBE, SURELEY THIS IS A YES OR NO QUESTION

 

And before yo ask I dont sell the stuff have not got the stuff but will be having one next year, which I dont know, it toook me untill last year to get a T3 all be it it was second hand!

[Jack Sprat]

Expat1 Thanks for the PM I have forwrded it on to Unikon to see if they can through some light on this dead zone you keep on about.

[expat1]

Hi Jack

A Private mail to yourself does not mean private in your book it seems no code of honour there. Now i know all i need to.  Jack if you put a partition in the Pad you will not get a dead Zone, but Bricon do not need partitions And I am correct in saying all pads have an area where the Electronics are and no chip ring will work over that. We will here what Unikon Says. And I have tried to Contact them direct on several occasions with no luck This to do with our racing over here Perhaps you can give me there phone Number.

And No' for the last time i have nothing to do with Bricon Only that i think the system is great and the best and No' I do not get paid by them in any way. You do not believe what i say so Phone and ask them if you like Do not say my name ask them if any English Guy living in Belgium gets anything from them for saying how good the system is When they answer You say you meant Steve Patrick

 

expat1

[expat1]

Hi Jack

I have just been looking at a Unikon Advert BHW March 2nd

In this advert Unikon State and Show there Pad and they term it the Ring Sensor, and they state that it Has no dead Zones and Clocks over the entire surface. I cannot despute what they have put into Print

The Pad is the same style as i have in a draw of My living Room and when the Unikon Agent came here to do a Demo for us he said it had a Dead Zone unless a Partition was installed.

It seems that although the Pad is Similar in Looks to the Picture in the BHW the Firm must have Modified it since it was Demontrated in My home some two years ago

Expat

If i am wrong then i do not mind owning up to the fact

[Jack Sprat]

Expat1 you still have not answered the simple yes no question, I take it that the answer is a no, as just like a polatician you seem to be skirting around the simple answer.

 

Any way enjoy your pigeons, if I offended you then I appologise, see what I cant understand is that the Million Dollar race can not afford to miss a bird so why would they use such a systemthat may have dead zone

[expat1]

Hi Jack.

First i hope you have contacted Bricon to see if i am being paid by them

Now we will get onto the Unives 1.7 and Unives BE. 'NO' it is not the same and we will take this system the Unives 1.7  first

 

What it means if i have it correct is that you take your pigeons to a race marking, lets say a National Race Marking

The Basket person will have an Antenna, from this antenna he will set up your Clock, Now as all ETS clocks are different and i expect have a different way of working  this person putting the pigeons through to basket them will firstly have to press some buttons on the clock he has connected to the antenna to put that clock in Basket Mode. Now if say, and we know all ETS clocks are different that same Basket Person must be able to be familer with all types of ETS clocks to do this plus to my mind is time consuming Basicly this is how i understand it. Now we will take this system a step more, Lets say the Whole Club has the same clock then it presents no problem but we all know this will not be the case in most clubs or federations or National Making Stations

Now we come to unives BE

What this means is that you use a Master Clock to Basket the Pigeons All the Person who is putting the pigeons through does is to connect the clock of any make to the MASTER Clock, He then only has to hold the Chip ring on or through the sensor and put the pigeon in the race pannier. He does not touch the fanciers clock by having to press any buttons to put the clock into basket mode It is The MASTER that has done this On the unives BE   i can pass a pigeon to the Person Basketing my pigeons before i can get a second pigeon out of the basket to pass to him he has his hands out to take the next  pigeon its that fast.

On Last Saturday evening i timed one Fanciers pigeons being put though the Master they race marked 39 pigeons in no more than three minutes

Now If all are compatable and they can be if the companies want them to be, its a matter of tweaking the software, You only need ONE type of Master at any one Club ,Any one Federation and at any one National Making Station

So what is the best method

I think i have covered it,

Its everyone to choose which system they want The only thing i have said from the beginning is that the the English should have gone the Unives BE for the reasons above so much simpler for the fancier the race markers and the Secretaries, But its not to be You Go the Dutch way and Time will show what is what.

And Jack do not forget to get onto Bricon i hate a Cloud over My name,its not right lets get it straight for all to know

expat1

[Brian Smith]

Hi expat you seem not to like your private PM's to get out into the general domain yet when I PM you, you told me to put it on the forum.If you don't get paid by Bricon  you seem to have some kind of association with them to have there  Director with you in this country or did you just bump into him.Even though we have used ETS for the last 3 years I definitely don't know much about them but one thing I do  know is that Unikon is the only one that you can genuinely use for more than one race because the way we race in this country clocks are checked at different times channel races are on the same day as land races so to take the other ETS systems in to your club you cannot time your latter races like you can with Unikon because the Unikon you only take the clock unit and base stays there timing your latter races  now you may have a different view on this.

[carl]

I too have been finding out all i can about ets,i have read everything regarding ets i have came across,i have read 1000s of posts talking ets.

Bricon is looking the best system in my honest opinion.

 

Steve i take your views on ets highly,keep it up

 

carl greenhow

[expat1]

Hi Brian

You are not correct. I asked you to put the same on the Forum,  I asked you, its not like someone passing your email that you wrote to them and passing it over intact however if thats his way of doing things not much i can do, but to  be more careful who i reply to in PMs and who i trust in the future certainly not my way of doing things

Now to get on th Unikon being the only one to be able to time in more than one  race because you leave a part or module behind at the loft. Bricons little Speedy does the same

And the Little bricon has another Part called the Duo this will enable you to time in on around 18 races you just connect up the duo and if say you have a Sprint Race take the Bricon Clock to the club once finished bring it home connect up one lead and thats it. As to other makes of ETS i do not know

As for Bricon Paying me Whatever i say to you or Jack you will believe what you want to. Its sad when you expect people to believe what you say but cannot accept there word as being true

I purchased Bricon after a Demo by Francis Nolmans who i had never met prior, This was atter a Demo by a Unikon Agent over here but he did not excatly tell me the truth until i pressed him  so that system was out for us

Mr Nolmans races local to us and I got to know him then Plus the System he sold us has worked Perfectly for the two years we have used it

I do know a lot of Famous Fanciers over here have changed there ETS to Bricon, I am not knocking any system it is the way it is being used in the UK i cannot understand . Plain Fact is it will cost more money for companies to adapt to the unives BE

Now Bricon being Belgian already has spent the money developing it But they also can go the Dutch unives 1.7 it makes no diffderence to them at all. It is the fanciers type of racing in England where they considered the Belgian way more suitable for the english.

But this is all talk in vain its been passed and you and the Other Lads over there will have to go along with it.

Now You believe i am telling lies by saying i get nothing from Bricon You too can contact Bricon Ask for Mr Nolmans Or any of his Co Partners and ask them BUT the Problem is would you believe them They have nothing to hide it makes no differnce to them

At the Last Blackpool show Many fanciers asked Mr Nolmans the same question he replied if i did offer him anything , He would not take it, and that is the truth i would not

When i tell you i like helping people i meant it and As i said we have been caught twice over here once with buyi nga car and once with a roofer  and the second time it has gone on now for 18 months and still not cleared up So Why should i not tell others of what i have learned all in good faith, But i do not care what you or Jack think Just make the phone call then decide if you want to believe them. I for one would like it cleared up once and for all

expat1

[Brian Smith]

HI Again Expat                                                                                               I have not said you get paid I said if you do not get paid you have some kind of association with them I assume this because you where with a director from the company they don't just turn up for any one.If the Bricon works the way you say how many bits of kit are required because the Unikon there's no wires to connect.As I stated we do have the Unikon but we will not be using it for racing until it's all sorted and then we may never use it .

[Charlie]

Brian,

 

I have to agree with you. UNIKON does seem to have the edge on Bricon. Although you can use the Duo as expat1 mentions you still have to use cable to connect to it – Bricon and the other ETS systems are a little old fashioned for my liking. I get fed up with the spaghetti of wires behind by PC, can’t be doing with them in the loft.

 

I spoke to Unikon’s UK HQ today they mentioned that UNIKON users can also use multiple pocket clocks on the same system. Could be very useful if you can’t get to different marking stations at the same time. However it’s the cordless approach that’s miles ahead with Unikon- If I am going to invest in ETS I want what’s going to be reliable, it’s obvious to me that connectors are going to give problems especially in the loft environment.

 

Expat1, I know that you are enthusiastic about bricon, but seriously you must admit that the Unikon cordless pocket clock is better.

 

So far I just haven’t seen anything that Bricon can do better than Unikon

 

Charlie

[expat1]

Hi Charlie

No' i do not agree with you at all, what are you saying that there are no cables connecting the antennas of the unikon system and the ETS clock does not connect to the unikon Pads or antennas

On Bricon you have an Antenna with one single cable coming from it if that is all you use One Antenna then that cable connects to the Clock if you have say three antennas each has a single cable to connect to another

You will find out in due course, The way you lads talk is you do not expect any problems , That is something you will get no question about it

Incidently My ETS Pads and Cables have been installed all winter in the loft. The Pads have had all the weather regarding one hell of a lot of rain on them because no matter what you do the way they are situated they can get wet. about 2weeks ago we let the hens out for a fly the first time since last August i connected the clock to the single cable a 30second job it read training mode with all six pads working and in came the hens and not one missed clocking Now as we have 6 pads in six sections we use only the smallest Bricon Pad in each All worked perfect. Also note for flyers with OPe Door Trapping the Small Pad can be used in the loft as the Pigeon lands in his nest box just hold the pad underneath the floor of the box he is standing on and it will clock the pigeon in

But Then all you posting to me are anti Bricon so there is no point me saying anything more

 

Charlie Make your own choice which is the right thing to do. as will all the other LAds here But you take all the Famous Fanciers in Belgium what system do they use and many have also given up there old system in favour of Bricon Van elsacker was one Herbots was another, Now Top Fanciers such as these Guys if they use a ETS system if it works well enough they would not change it for another would they. Van Lint, Gaby Vanabeele ,All those Fellows use Bricon

expat1

[Jack Sprat]

Expat1 I have no reason to doubt that you dont get paid from them, perhaps sponsored I said and if you do, then good look to you, you definatley stand be by your convictions and fair play, but my only gripe and not with you is that one company is so hell bent on UnivesBE, in Belgium its BE and other companies work with it, so if all have it and I am sure they can, then why do these experts not endorse it, there has to be a reason and I doubt its cash, not from the big guns anyway.

 

As you seem to always be talking Bricon when there appear to be better systems on the market Brian says 'there are no conections on the Unikon Clock' What can be better than a clock with no contacts, nothing to break at marking! SOUNDS GOOD TO ME

[expat1]

Hi Jack

At last there is someone who believes me. Now i will be honest with you. I have never seen the Champ Clock, But In Holland they use the Unives 1.7 as you know But it does not run that smooth over there without another aid to assist them. Now what i am saying is this You Take your clock to a National Marking you will get all soerts of ETS clocks there. The Man Basketing will have to put into each and every clock maually the set up for the race etc That is right Manually. A time consuming jog. Now You will have the Clocks set on an antenna Known here as a Wand, All Clocks at that station will be set on the same Because you should all be programed in to the 1.7

But this is the crunch bit when you have the strike off at your own club the antenna may be differnt to the one you basket oon and there foore may not work. It is very complicated I think i have it right. Note With The Other system BE you use a Master and all this data of Race Programming is already there as i stated in my last Post

You say the Companoies will not bother about Cost s They surely will  To prduce all the Masters etc all the sofware all the Clocks and systems sold in the passed years That is the reason why they do not want to go the BE way

Now I personally think its time to stop talking about What is best and what is not There is only a couple of Months to go before the Lads can test it out. By the End of Racing i expect these Pages on this Forum to be Bussing. If the 1.7 does not work out say for the members of the RPRA there kis nothing to stop them trying the unives BE, and if they do then all the ETS companies will have to fall in line with the Request of the RPRA, Thats Business i suppose i am not sure because i am not a business man If i was i would better off thani am today

I must call a halt and wait to see the outcome of the use of ETGS over there. I stand by what i have said But that does not make me to be correct we will see.

Dougie and Poacher

Can you give me a reply on what i asked you. Are you sellers for Unikon. It makes no differnce to me if you are, but the way you went at me i deserve to be answered. If you do not then i and the rest here will know that you probably are Sellers

expat1

[expat1]

Hi Charlie

Can you tell me how you set up the Unikon system on your loft regards what goes with what If there or not any cables etc Just as if you was putting it in your loft from opening up the Box.  I am Not being funny just intriged

expate1

[rossi]

hi ,  no one has answered this but, say i had a bricon universbe..ets clock .would it work and could it be set from any other system

[expat1]

Hi Rossi

If you live in England you will not likely have a Bricon ETS with unives BE unless you bought it long before the RPRA had there meeting to decide which way they were going, if this is the case it can be altered to suit the 1.7

Bricon will send all ETS clocks over in the unives 1.7 mode  as passed by the RPRA and it will be compatable with other systems

What you should be asking is will ALL systems be compatable with each other in the form of using the unives 1.7 only time will tell

I myself  am very scepitcle about it all working together ,but unless there is a fortune teller among us and i cannot answer that myself. As we say its in the 'Lap of the Gods'

expat1

[expat1]

Hi Rossi

If you live in England you will not likely have a Bricon ETS with unives BE unless you bought it long before the RPRA had there meeting to decide which way they were going, if this is the case it can be altered to suit the 1.7

Bricon will send all ETS clocks over in the unives 1.7 mode  as passed by the RPRA and it will be compatable with other systems

What you should be asking is will ALL systems be compatable with each other in the form of using the unives 1.7 only time will tell

I myself  am very scepitcle about it all working together ,but unless there is a fortune teller among us and i cannot answer that myself. As we say its in the 'Lap of the Gods'

 

Jack

If a person cannot stand up for what he thinks right then for me there is nothing left and nowhere to go. Its the way i was bought up, and something i cannot change, and nor should i want too.

although i do get up peoples noses at times its not meant in a nasty way

expat1

[me]

Hi Expat 1 did you receive an answer from Dougie and Poacher to your perfectly reasonable question? Just interested would make the whole thread clearer to "me" if i new the answer!

[expat1]

hi Veteran

No i have not heard from them,

expat1 ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

[HOMER49]

Hi expat1

Thanks for your PM

My club have been awarded £9720.00 for the purchase of ETS from the Lottery grant of which we are very grateful

Bricon at one time was our preferred choice but your UK agent was a little less than forthcoming 5 unanswered Emails and loads of telecalls no response

But we have not placed an order yet

Cheers

Homer 49

[HOMER49]

Hi expat1

Thanks for your PM dated 18/4/07 Your PMs to me will remain private as they should be

My post said at ONE time

Mr Palmer was not Bricons agent at the time it was a Mr Knight

Just setting the record straight

Cheers

Homer 49