Air!

[Roland]

Let’s ask the question. If a loft has 3 or 4 air vents at the front, or a good part wired front, does it follow that the BIGGER the loft inside the more air there is per bird! Indeed if 6 feet back to the 2foot x 15in deep and 12inch high nest boxes that the air circulation is better than a loft with just 3 feet between the wire / air vent at the front?

 

[Guest TAMMY_1]

GIES A CLUE ?

[Roland]

Does it mean that air just coming in, is suffiencent? Indeed would it really come in let alone circulate? or as it is a wider division between the front and the nest boxes that it is always fresher.... or stagment settling?

What about a stagflation of air? Or does it only get aired when there is a stiff breeze about?

 

[Guest TAMMY_1]

Does it mean that air just coming in, is suffiencent? Indeed would it really come in let alone circulate? or as it is a wider division between the front and the nest boxes that it is always fresher.... or stagment settling?

What about a stagflation of air? Or does it only get aired when there is a stiff breeze about?

 

THAT HELPED     ya nitwit,  does all the air pass through the gaps between your ears whether there is a breeze or not  ;D

[stevebelbin]

My birds did better with 'NO' inlet vents on the front, side or rear, just the gap under the eaves, to act as an outlet. Fannyed about with it, putting vents and fans in and i feel it was better B4. Thinking of changing it back to how it was two years ago. This is my widowhood loft, my YB loft has louvred windows that can be adjusted to suit the weather and is light and airy.

[Guest anthony]

this is the way I see it.The more "furniture"you put inside the loft the less air space you have,so you need more air entrance.If you have a loft 6ft x 3ft x 6ft,and you put in it a food bin,you have taken air space from that loft by the space which is occupied by the bin this goes for all the material that we put in our lofts.When you sum up the cubic air of the inside loft and less the cubic space of all your solids in the loft you know exactly how much air there is left for your pigeons.

[Roland]

hieght x wide x length eh. 1 square foot is  - by law needed in Canada - for a pair f birds....

[Guest]

Don't think it is an easy question to answer, Roland.

 

You would think the air movement would be inwards thro the mesh on the front wall, and when inside mine I can feel the air coming in and moving around me; but when I overdo sieving the deep litter in the areas nearest the front mesh, any dust that I kick up is literally sucked outwards thro the same mesh on the front wall.

 

During the close season, I put in 7 x high-level louvre ventilators along the back wall above and behind my nest boxes ... there is now a definite difference in air quality & movement all along the box fronts, which wasn't there before ... and also put in a ventilated ridge full length of the loft roof, and bored 8 x 1/2" holes every metre (between roof joists) again full length of the loft roof, and air is definitely sucked upwards too.

[Roland]

Bruno was a  time when it was thought the ideal was in at the bottom and out the opposite side at the top. Of course this is also not correct. And yes like you say sometimes it goes out via the same means at it goes it. This ofcourse means stagmentation can well greep it.

So  does one need a loft space of 8 x 12 or 16 feet? Of course not. What one does need is a 'Circulation' when means contant fresh air!

[me]

Bruno was a  time when it was thought the ideal was in at the bottom and out the opposite side at the top. Of course this is also not correct. And yes like you say sometimes it goes out via the same means at it goes it. This ofcourse means stagmentation can well greep it.

So  does one need a loft space of 8 x 12 or 16 feet? Of course not. What one does need is a 'Circulation' when means contant fresh air!

 

 

Brilliant post Roland if i understand you correctly you are saying E = M.C squared

 

am i right?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[frank-123]

was that not Einstein (me)

[Guest TAMMY_1]

was that not Einstein (me)

 

no that was me ;D

[Roland]

Further then Why are babies oxygen tanks large, instead of as small as possible when they have need of oxegen?

Me, sorry to say you are always right, lol.

[Roland]

Now if the air / oxygen is flowing, circulating and fresh why does one believe that you need to have 10, 20 times more the amount to waste / or not being used, to be of a benefit to the birds?

I've bought - 9 years agao now - 7 inch fans, which I incidently used / needed when making flight cases. Obviously they draw or extract air depending which way round they are placed. I've never hae had to place even one to the loft yet. Likewise, I have 'Plastic Air Vents' to replace the plastic cladding on my loft if ever the need arises. I have never had the need to yet!

  Al year round my birds are healthy and fit!

  Now as to Oxygen - I.e. Red Cell /Oxy Cell - being able to increase oxygen in the 'Blood' - which is what in essence one would strive to do - my chemists say it's a fallacy! I ask most when the chance occurs, like Tesco etc. and what if any thing can induce oxygen to the cell outside of 'Blood Packing'! And everyone says 'No'! Only way to improve is Better circulation and / or a better quality of air! Now that is logical, and one only needs to ask a Doctor, why I often do etc or a medical scientist etc.

It appears to be more a money scam than a reality. When my grandson was on incubators and Oxygen he was having to have it from the cylinder. Now if you had the means of one, and built a cag that allowed it in and then out, and placed the birds in there 10 minutes every so often sure the blood quality would be enhanced considerablely... This would also improve all overall conditions ... but of course A. one can't get the cylinders, and B. oxygen in the blood would soon be replaced in no time.

Now I can, and have had 16 pairs in 16 foot square nest boxes, 4' 6 in length and the boxes stacked 4 high. They are a foot of the floor, and there is a foot above them. The space between the opening door and the facing nest boxes is 2 foot 6inches. I of course only bred one round, and place them on the floor when a reasonable age. I also shut the nest boxes and remove one of the sexes, depending on the plans ( to be broken lol ) I envisage.

The roof if Air vent right through and the bootom is airvented too. The air is sucked sraight in and out. Circulation is a must, even on windless days, because the WHOLE loft is under a false roof which enables the wind / breeze / current to pass over the actually loft at all times! Why I have Fans waiting if ever a hot humid and breezeless day ocurs... never needed them.

[Ronnie]

they way i understand it is .If you have louvre's on one side at the bottom then they will automatically suck in air through the day due to the sun heating the air and air rising it then go's through the louvre's.now when its in the loft it will then push out excess air and gasses through the most straightforward route. which is all well and good if you have no furniture in the loft.IE boxes and perche's and stuff.because then the air can just flow in a straight line in the bottom out the top at opposite end.Now to get air to the boxes and other nook's and cranny's you need to create a stronger airflow so it creates a vacume on the way through the loft and sucks the bad air with it thus leaving room for the good air to get in.(either that or have more louvres  under the boxe's and vent holes in the boxes to allow air in).Then you start going into draughts and stuff.

So providing the birds have enough space to move about comfortably and the airflow is correct you could theoreticly house as many birds as you like in a loft of any size .

[Roland]

Yep Ron. But a proper circulation needs to come in say at the bottom, hit the middle back and then go out through the certre middle.

I am lucky that I can have 1, 2, or 3 sides coming in at the bottom, if need be, and then go out through the centre top.