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[crazy pigeon boy]

my freind is not having much look the 2 birds that were ill he had to dispose of and now 2 of his old birds are not well they look like they are drunk when they walk and keep holding there head back like it's wobberley do you know what this might be? im trying to help him out but im no expert and never had anything like this before

[Simeon Turner]

Having a guess your friend may have a problem with paramyxo or parathyphoid. (can be similar symptoms depending on strain).

 

As he had the pigeons tested yet, if not I suggest he gets the droppings tested, throat swabs and blood tests from a renowned vet, look in the BHW you will see a poultry vet in Retford, Notts. I have used them before, very quick and cheap service.

 

In the meantime, isolate the birds from the others and keep the diet light, with electrolight in the water.  

[pigeonpete]

Having a guess your friend may have a problem with paramyxo or parathyphoid. (can be similar symptoms depending on strain).

 

As he had the pigeons tested yet, if not I suggest he gets the droppings tested, throat swabs and blood tests from a renowned vet, look in the BHW you will see a poultry vet in Retford, Notts. I have used them before, very quick and cheap service.

 

In the meantime, isolate the birds from the others and keep the diet light, with electrolight in the water.  

 

got to agree, but if its is paratyphoid, the best thing he can do is get rid!! it happened to me and broke my heart :'( but it spreads quickly!! hope it gets sorted mate

[Guest REDFOXKRAUTHS]

Having a guess your friend may have a problem with paramyxo or parathyphoid. (can be similar symptoms depending on strain).

 

As he had the pigeons tested yet, if not I suggest he gets the droppings tested, throat swabs and blood tests from a renowned vet, look in the BHW you will see a poultry vet in Retford, Notts. I have used them before, very quick and cheap service.

 

In the meantime, isolate the birds from the others and keep the diet light, with electrolight in the water.  

 

i agree i had it one after it had been vaccineated against it i killed  in the end its was just crule for the birds

[Guest]

I agree that the symptoms aren't good and look to be one of two very serious illnesses. Sorry, but I advise dispose of all the birds , clean & disinfect loft and start again with birds that come from a reputable source, with OBs that have been PMV vaccinated, or if they are young birds, PMV vaccinate as soon as you get them.

[jimmy white]

I agree that the symptoms aren't good and look to be one of two very serious illnesses. Sorry, but I advise dispose of all the birds , clean & disinfect loft and start again with birds that come from a reputable source, with OBs that have been PMV vaccinated, or if they are young birds, PMV vaccinate as soon as you get them.

 

would def agree ,, allthough sounds harsh, its the only way forward ,, lets hope things go better in the future    [and put it down to experience ]

[gangster]

PUT EM IN THE DUSTBIN !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ITS TOO LATE FOR THEM SAVE THE REST FROM CATCHING IT

[Roland]

PUT EM IN THE DUSTBIN !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ITS TOO LATE FOR THEM SAVE THE REST FROM CATCHING IT

 

Would tend to agree ... Then saturate with Demostos, for two three days. Then work a blow torch over ever 1/2 inch many times, then paint the whole lotTHRRE times, and say your prayers... That what I did, and one of them seemed to have worked! lol... But it wasn't para, so I'd probably do all that x times times more!

[crazy pigeon boy]

been down to his loft he has separated the birds in a box and they look perfectley fine now they are walking ok and there head is not tilted any more also the cock is driving the hen like they never had anything wrong but there droppings are still wet does this meen it had cleared up??? he has been giving them electrolytes in the water and feeding seed do you think they will be ok now

[DOVEScot]

Mine turned out to be salmonela,

one of the signs is a symtem called star-gazing, they did have good days, but we had to bite the bullet and cull them as soon as they showed any signs.

We have a small holding and all our stock had to be tested by DEFRA, they prefer life stock to post motem then after that you take a cross section of the droppings

Once DEFRA is involved, (becuase we have chickens/eggs) we have to send regular samples, and so far we have good results

Almost every ailment is always present in your stock and always will be, one good way to combat ailments is to keep your stock in good condition and vaccinated if need be so they can fight of any ailments, but not full proof. Ours was brought in by a crackin looking pigeon I bought from another breeder it showed no signs of any ailment

I informed the other breeder who did not address the issue and it wiped out his whole stock

We use Stalosan powdered disenfectant, this combats the bugs multiplying on any surface, it does not totaly destroy but gets them down to a safe ratio

i.e. parts/million

With any stock that you have, "if you try to keep them totally free", then they catch something they don't survive

Vaccinations are by-products of the ailment which are administered to anything including me and you so they can buid up antidodies of their own to combat ailments

 

So what ever you may have......

 

Isolate it

Sacrifice it

Get it or its droppins tested even if it doesn't survive

 

TAKE YOUR DECEASED TO THE VET OR "BURN THEM", DO NOT PUT THEM IN THE WHEELY BIN, THE SCAVINGERS AT YOUR LOCAL LANDFILL MAY FIND THEM AND PICK UP AND PASS ON THE PROBLEM BACK TO YOU OR ONTO SOMEONE ELSE

[westy]

PUT EM IN THE DUSTBIN !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ITS TOO LATE FOR THEM SAVE THE REST FROM CATCHING IT

 

totally agree

[jimmy white]

yes salmonella. paratyphoid , same thing,, paramyxo  all can be "cured" to a certain extent , but they will allways be carriers, and nervous symtom after effects ,, rid yourself of them , disenfect loft ,,, start afresh ,, really your just playing with fire and courting bother for the future ,,, i have went through this and beleive me i know what im talking about ,,,, good luck to you and hope you take this advice ,, maybe harsh but at least its the truth ,,

[DOVEScot]

 

totally agree

 

Wheely bin

 

We were told that this is a way that the viruses and bacteria are becomming more frequent, the scavengers are feeding on diseased birds at the landfills, becoming infected and also carrying them in their droppings, hence recyling the problem

We were lucky we stay near a paper mill, put them in sealed containers and threw them in the furnace

 

Proof if we leave the chicken that we eat to decay you contract salmonela becuase it multiplies in rotting poultry, hten what is happenig to birds you put in wheely bins

 

[madmaxlofts]

the only thing iff its samanella is it can be sort ov cured but you never get rid ov it you breed it into the next round ov young and so on

then it takes a bit ov stress in the young for it to resurface

 

id bin the lot and start again

and get yourself tested

[DOVEScot]

the only thing iff its samanella is it can be sort ov cured but you never get rid ov it you breed it into the next round ov young and so on

then it takes a bit ov stress in the young for it to resurface

 

id bin the lot and start again

and get yourself tested

 

We had to dispose of all eggs laid for a month after the all clear and any chicks in the nest

We eat the  hens eggs so it was important to get all clear, and you are right you can never be totally free of any infection, its down to parts/million and thats what you have to manage

When you vaccinate the birds you are giving them a strain or by-product of the infection so they can build up their immune system

If you could erradicate these diseases you would be worth a small fortune

The minute you let your birds out you run the risk of infection,

eg.

if your bird lands on the roof where a feral pigen has been

if your bird drinks out an external water source where any other animal has been

if a feral pigeon sh### on you loft roof

etc. etc the probabilities are endless

 

Send away samples to get analysed, find out what they have thats threatening and treat only for that

 

I learned all this the hard way, lost a lot of birds and took advice from top vets and DEFRA

[me]

Revolutionary idea take some of the sick birds to an avian vet as soon as possible. Completely isolate the birds if at all possible i.e. lock them up individually in their boxes to minimise further transmission. Put milton in the water and if you have any pmv vaccine USE IT it may be something else but you might just be lucky. Better still if you have any amoxycillin USE IT and forget the milton and remember birds can recover from PMV and live to tell the tale.

 

Good luck!

[DOVEScot]

Revolutionary idea take some of the sick birds to an avian vet as soon as possible. Completely isolate the birds if at all possible i.e. lock them up individually in their boxes to minimise further transmission. Put milton in the water and if you have any pmv vaccine USE IT it may be something else but you might just be lucky. Better still if you have any amoxycillin USE IT and forget the milton and remember birds can recover from PMV and live to tell the tale.

 

Good luck!

 

Wish I thought of that ;D ;D ;D ;D

 

Seriously...good advice wish i new all these solutions before I lost some cracking birds. Yes they can recover.

[crazy pigeon boy]

he has disposed of the birds and disenfected thank you for all the advice

[me]

How many birds did your pal "dispose" of as you put it?

[DOVEScot]

How many birds did your pal "dispose" of as you put it?

 

Them all ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

[me]

he has disposed of the birds and disenfected thank you for all the advice

 

What good will disinfecting do as he does not know what was troubling his birds! What if the birds were picking at something poisonous? Disinfecting will not do anything for any new birds he gets will it.

 

Why ask for advice and then take the easy way out your pal almost certainly "disposed" of some perfectly healthy birds.