Vaccinate those ybs

[swilcox]

If you havnt already make it a priority to get those ybs vaccinated in the next couple of weeks, it will make it easier for all of us when those early races come around in the heat of July and August.

 

Stuart

[ACE LOFTS]

we always vaccinate b 4 they enter the loft

[Guest]

Done mine when I did the old birds on weaning!

[Guest]

Doing mine this weekend,can't decide weather to do for paratyphoid aswell

[Guest]

Intended doing it @ 5/6 weeks old, let down - twice.  

 

Colombovac production probs hasn't supplied Pigeon Pharmacy on 1st expected date - end of April; new date Mid-May. No option take Nobilis with Oct 07 expiry date; don't like it but looks like my OB & YB 2008 jabs will be done Oct 07.  >

 

 

[Guest TAMMY_1]

Intended doing it @ 5/6 weeks old, let down - twice.  

 

Colombovac production probs hasn't supplied Pigeon Pharmacy on 1st expected date - end of April; new date Mid-May. No option take Nobilis with Oct 07 expiry date; don't like it but looks like my OB & YB 2008 jabs will be done Oct 07.  >

 

 

why are you waiting till october ? are you not racing any birds  ?

[Guest]

 

why are you waiting till october ? are you not racing any birds  ?

 

 

Sorry, kinda garbled my post. Will do my 2007 YBs this weekend latest.  

 

Usually what vaccine is left-over I would use for my OBs in January 2008 ... but the stuff I'm expecting expires Oct 2007 - so I'd need to do my OBs Oct 2007 for the 2008 season.

 

 

 

[Guest TAMMY_1]

 

 

Sorry, kinda garbled my post. Will do my 2007 YBs this weekend latest.  

 

Usually what vaccine is left-over I would use for my OBs in January 2008 ... but the stuff I'm expecting expires Oct 2007 - so I'd need to do my OBs Oct 2007 for the 2008 season.

 

 

 

are you drunk already ?

 

[Lightning McQueen]

All done down here,  

[Guest]

Just got me vaccine & gun today.  

 

My 1st ever vaccination was done with leaveover Nobivac [now Nobilis] from a clubmate , and I've got Nobilis this time.

 

I think it important you always read the manufacturer's instructions because I've just discovered Colombovac & Nobilis are very different.  >

 

I'm used to Colombovac's 0.2 ml dose, minimum age 21 days, and 14 days to obtain immunity - before mixing with other birds [race, show]. ....  

 

Quite shocked to find Nobilis is  0.25 ml dose, minimum age 5 weeks, and 4 weeks to obtain immunity , preferably 6 weeks before mixing with other birds [race, show]. ....  

 

Think its back to Colombovac for me from next year ...

[jimmy white]

do the members think they should be vaccinated every year ,,,,,or would a half dose do the job as ob,s ????

my thoughts are that theres big money in this,,, yes they need vaccinated as ybs but not so sure a full dosage as older birds is needed

[Guest]

I've been advised to do the YB twice in year of birth, once early as poss and then just before racing! Helps boost immunity I'm told and I think it may be good advice!!

[Guest]

The benefits of annual vaccination are far from clear and there are many in the veterinary world who are against it.

 

First imagine every animal carries one soldier to fight a particular battle with a particular enemy. The barracks are always full. Every time the animal is vaccinated, a new soldier appears, but the barracks are full and to make room for the new soldier, an old soldier is discarded.   So +1 PMV soldier and -1 Paratyphoid soldier might be the outcome.   > Bird might eventually end up immune to PMV and susceptible to everything else.   :'(

 

My original post on vaccination study:-

 

Just a note expanding on the on-going debate in many domestic animal circles on the need for annual vaccination.

 

This is a short extract describing a scientific study commissioned by the Home Office where immune memory is discussed.

 

 

04september-2006

 

368: Studies on immune memory and regulation

Date: 29th Aug 2006

 

This programme of work is intended to extend our understanding of immunological memory and immune regulation with the attendant benefits that may follow for human and animal health.

 

The reason vaccines work is because the immune system exhibits memory, it responds better the second time it sees a microbe. How it does this is still hotly debated. For instance, immune memory is very long-lasting, however, the cells in the immune system are always under severe competition for space and survival, as every time an immune response occurs more cells are made; so how can memory cells survive for long periods? This is one of the questions that will be addressed in this project. Another question relates to how flexible in modality the memory response is, eg. will the memory response be the same as the primary response and if not how is this achieved? It’s important that it has this flexibility is maintained as otherwise memory may be unable to protect us in all situations and may cause damaging reactions (eg. by making inappropriate inflammatory cytokines).

 

 

 

 

[ALF]

All my young birds are already done but i dont like having to do them again as old but i dont think there is enough research being done to find out why and if we get any benifit out of vaccinating every year afterwards!!

[Guest TAMMY_1]

Just got me vaccine & gun today.  

 

My 1st ever vaccination was done with leaveover Nobivac [now Nobilis] from a clubmate , and I've got Nobilis this time.

 

I think it important you always read the manufacturer's instructions because I've just discovered Colombovac & Nobilis are very different.  >

 

I'm used to Colombovac's 0.2 ml dose, minimum age 21 days, and 14 days to obtain immunity - before mixing with other birds [race, show]. ....  

 

Quite shocked to find Nobilis is  0.25 ml dose, minimum age 5 weeks, and 4 weeks to obtain immunity , preferably 6 weeks before mixing with other birds [race, show]. ....  

 

Think its back to Colombovac for me from next year ...

 

how did you find using the gun bruno ?

[ALF]

 

how did you find using the gun bruno ?

 

He just opened the box and there it was ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

[Guest TAMMY_1]

 

He just opened the box and there it was ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

 

can you no read ya dummy, i didnae ask him where he found the gun , i asked him how he found using the gun , big difference numbnuts, the ultimate word being using, ya halfwit ;D

[ALF]

 

can you no read ya dummy, i didnae ask him where he found the gun , i asked him how he found using the gun , big difference numbnuts, the ultimate word being using, ya halfwit ;D

 

AYE A HALFWIT WHO'S GONNAE GET YOU UP OOT YER BED WHEN I PHONE YOUR HOOSE AT 1 IN THE MORNING!!! :P ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

[Guest TAMMY_1]

 

AYE A HALFWIT WHO'S GONNAE GET YOU UP OOT YER BED WHEN I PHONE YOUR HOOSE AT 1 IN THE MORNING!!! :P ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

 

away you go ya pest ;D

[Guest]

 

how did you find using the gun bruno ?

 

Not used it yet Tammy, got Sunday pencilled in.

 

Very much impressed and glad I got it, certainly looks the part , surprisingly small & light

[Guest TAMMY_1]

 

Not used it yet Tammy, got Sunday pencilled in.

 

Very much impressed and glad I got it, certainly looks the part , surprisingly small & light

 

you will find some difference when you try it .

[Guest]

WHAT AGE IS THE BEST TO VACCINATE THEM AT

[Guest TAMMY_1]

WHAT AGE IS THE BEST TO VACCINATE THEM AT

 

GO AWAY YA PEST  

[Guest]

 

you will find some difference when you try it .

 

Spot on Tammy, went like a dream today.

 

A Plus for Nobilis is they provide a sterile kit. Pour surgical spirit into a little plastic measuring cap, and push sponge into it which sucks it up. Dab sponge on bird's back at base of the neck and it parts the feathers, you're left with bare skin, see exactly where your jaggin the bird, gun fires the right dose, so your concentration is all on the bird, and you jab the needle into the sponge between birds to sterilise it, so no passing anything on between birds.

 

Massive improvement on last year.  ;D

[Guest]

Does anyone vaccinate for paratyphoid aswell?