TIME FOR A CHANGE

[frank-123]

this is a north west fed matter that should be disscussed at the fed meeting!!!!!!!!

[Guest]

this is a north west fed matter that should be disscussed at the fed meeting!!!!!!!!

 

;D ;D ;D ;D

[Guest]

this is a north west fed matter that should be disscussed at the fed meeting!!!!!!!!

 

As explained elsewhere, I'm not calling anyone in my fed anything nasty, nor is anyone in my fed calling me anything nasty. We are sharing info and doing it in an amicable manner and some good may come out of it for the pigeons. We need no lessons on how to behave properly in a public forum from the honourable member from Lanarkshire.

[frank-123]

this is a north west fed matter that should be disscussed at the fed meeting!!!!!!!!

 

just to clear this up for people who dont know

bruno the moderator of this forum locked a thread started by tammy asking budgie a question about lanarkshire fed race from scotch corner last year

bruno said it was locked it was a private fed matter

thats why i posted my reply here

[Guest]

has anyone been to otterburn race point and are the transporters at the right point? it is very clear on top of the hill if the transporters are at the right point the facilitys are 1 mile down the road transport cafe water etc so whats wrong with sitting there untill say 2hrs before lib and then moving up it all ways makes me laugh when all thease stories come out about a race point and the person stating them hasnt been their is it a case of some one not wanting to go their for what ever reason i can think of a few so out comes all the rumors

[Guest]

 

just to clear this up for people who dont know

bruno the moderator of this forum locked a thread started by tammy asking budgie a question about lanarkshire fed race from scotch corner last year

bruno said it was locked it was a private fed matter

thats why i posted my reply here

 

The post in question started 'U KEEP POSTING NONSENSE IN THREADS ABOUT ME'. It was the latest of various personal and acrimonious clashes in different threads between members of Lanarkshire Fed on what was essentially a Lanarkshire Fed matter, one series of which has just been split from the current 'What kind of race did you have?' thread by Webmaster tonight, which was the first thread I locked because of this content, and a thread hijacked by it.  

[Guest]

has anyone been to otterburn race point and are the transporters at the right point? it is very clear on top of the hill if the transporters are at the right point the facilitys are 1 mile down the road transport cafe water etc so whats wrong with sitting there untill say 2hrs before lib and then moving up it all ways makes me laugh when all thease stories come out about a race point and the person stating them hasnt been their is it a case of some one not wanting to go their for what ever reason i can think of a few so out comes all the rumors

 

My info on facilities comes from an ex-Secretary of NW Fed, who reckons the racepoint site is an army base? Take your point about a single transporter, but in YBs at least we had an occasion when 11 transporters were there. The info on the transmitter and radio blackout comes from a friend of yours Ian White, who had asked a local fancier who trains there what problems there might be there. And when you lose half your convoy, you look for reasons, not excuses.  

[robbie]

 

My info on facilities comes from an ex-Secretary of NW Fed, who reckons the racepoint site is an army base? Take your point about a single transporter, but in YBs at least we had an occasion when 11 transporters were there. The info on the transmitter and radio blackout comes from a friend of yours Ian White, who had asked a local fancier who trains there what problems there might be there. And when you lose half your convoy, you look for reasons, not excuses.  

 

so you have now got a reason Bruno, so why go there!

[robbie]

 

think the proof is in my ayr nth rd post if u want to continue east coast which national minded fanciers will think u got to be looking along the lines of feds having joint libs ie dundee /angus/aberdeen/fife all going together  the same of lanark/midland/central etc may not suit some but its yb returns we all want

 

gonna send me some details of your libs sitses for this year and anything else i could use to submit a proposal for next year , cheers

[me]

 

Yes Bart these points have also to be taken into consideration, but if you look at Bruno's reply, they had all the facts before them last year and even our Race controller telling them that there was a problem with the Ripon race point,

Is it ME who is missing the point here!!!!!!

 

Can I just say "ME" never misses a point and I would also agree with Bart about the yet again slightly questionable editing of the forum. Especially when the supporters of the old "lanarkshire regime" seem to get an easy passage.

 

However the birds welfare is the be all and end all but if you want to race every race including the YBN then either move from fife to the south of Edinburgh or cut your cloth!

 

Personally I would alwas go for more races for young birds rather than distance. i.e 5 X 100 miles good. 1 X 60,then 1 X 100 . then 1 X 170 and lost not so good

 

[Guest]

Iam not saying otterburn site is the be/all end /all but ive been their and its alot better than most ive seen but then when central found it they were only thinking of their liberations and it was fine for that but lets face it we are loosing buckets of y/b from ten mile training tosses from all over the country so should we stop training all together i dont think its the locations thats the problems its a combination of many things including breeding too much rubbish but what this sport needs more than any thing right now is a year with good weather less cross winds and less tesco races

[Guest]

 

so you have now got a reason Bruno, so why go there!

 

 

Alastair McNaughton told me we will not be going to Otterburn next year. I do not know if that's an informal nod that's come from the committee     he usually has first hand info.   Its at least an acknowledgement that there is a problem there and something is being done about it

[Guest]

Iam not saying otterburn site is the be/all end /all but ive been their and its alot better than most ive seen but then when central found it they were only thinking of their liberations and it was fine for that but lets face it we are loosing buckets of y/b from ten mile training tosses from all over the country so should we stop training all together i dont think its the locations thats the problems its a combination of many things including breeding too much rubbish but what this sport needs more than any thing right now is a year with good weather less cross winds and less tesco races

 

Agree with you: Otterburn was a scramble choice during the season so that we could come out of Ridsdale because of the wires there; and yes there's probably many reasons for these losses, but its important surely to pick off the problem ones under our control and get rid of these, so that we have identifiable improvement year-on-year.

[Guest]

so if otterburn is one of thease problems why has lanarkshire still got over 8,000 y/b for racing they race from otterburn dont hear them complaining maybe down to tammys good race controling sook/sook and we race from it twice and no more loses than any where else

[Guest]

I aggree with you robbie we realy need to look closley at what is going wrong but i think some will use that to push their own agenda for what suits them for overfly etc and we have 100s of different views on what is wrong we give a huge sum of money every year to good causes i think its time to invest that back into the sport now while we still have a sport to do it too  after all if we dont sort it now there will be no money to give to the good causes in five year or so lets pay what ever needs to be paid to an out side body with no vested interest in racing and see if they can come up with any ans.but remember pigeon fanciers allways think they know best the shu did a very indepth survey about the west coast and still some race it so if we are going to pay lots of money then we have to be prepared to exept the outcome even if it hurts or its wasted money again

[Guest]

        bruno you say otterburn was a scrambled choice N/W has been racing that race point for years along with central

[Guest]

so if otterburn is one of thease problems why has lanarkshire still got over 8,000 y/b for racing they race from otterburn dont hear them complaining maybe down to tammys good race controling sook/sook and we race from it twice and no more loses than any where else

 

Well, they are also going to Witton Castle where we were wiped out last year, which is within this 'dead zone' that our committee identified.  :-/

 

Noted Fife didn't get very good returns from Aycliffe last weekend - within the 'dead zone' too.

 

Don't think 'complain' is a reasonable description of what is going on in this thread - it is nearing end of racing season and time to look back on what may have gone wrong and have a look at what can be done to put it right for next year.

[Guest]

 

Can I just say "ME" never misses a point and I would also agree with Bart about the yet again slightly questionable editing of the forum. Especially when the supporters of the old "lanarkshire regime" seem to get an easy passage.

 

 

Point you have maybe missed here is that neither myself or the other moderators or the webmaster know who supports what or who or what regime who or what belongs to....  

 

Intervention came well after the point that the exchanges broke the forum's code of conduct, and the site was again being used to promote personal attacks on 'basics members on matters which were wholly internal to one organisation..

 

 

[frank-123]

Intervention came well after the point that the exchanges broke the forum's code of conduct, and the site was again being used to promote personal attacks on 'basics members on matters which were wholly internal to one organisation..

 

 

i think you were wrong bruno but your the moderator so i bow to your better judgement

[frank-123]

lanarkshire are at witton castle this week lets see how the race goes

i have always found otterburn a good race point birds seem to have good returns

[DECKY]

BELIEVE ME .YOU HAVE NOT EXPERIENCED DISASTER RACES UNTIL YOU HAVE FLOWN FROM SOLWAY RACE POINTS.IF OUR BIRDS ARE LIBERATED IN ANYTHING BAR A SOUTH WIND THEN THERE ARE BIG LOSSES EVERY TIME. COUNT YOUR BLESSINGS FLYING DOWN THE EAST,AT LEAST,  FOR THE FIRST 100 MILES

[Guest TAMMY_1]

i think you were wrong bruno but your the moderator so i bow to your better judgement

 

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[markspigeons]

its always been the same some years we lose lots of ybs and some years we dont. its been a bad year for ybs up and down the country. a guy in my club lost 42 birds in one race i started with 38 now got 10 its the same all over this year if you not lost meny this year you doing well.well it save the sort out its done lol.dont lose heart its hard i for one know but keep ya chin up can only be better next year,

 

mark

[HOMER49]

BELIEVE ME .YOU HAVE NOT EXPERIENCED DISASTER RACES UNTIL YOU HAVE FLOWN FROM SOLWAY RACE POINTS.IF OUR BIRDS ARE LIBERATED IN ANYTHING BAR A SOUTH WIND THEN THERE ARE BIG LOSSES EVERY TIME. COUNT YOUR BLESSINGS FLYING DOWN THE EAST,AT LEAST,  FOR THE FIRST 100 MILES

Hi

Spot on Pigeon fanciers have very short memories

Cheers

Homer 49

 

 

[Guest]

        bruno you say otterburn was a scrambled choice N/W has been racing that race point for years along with central

 

Frank I remember this one pretty well, 2002,  because it was the 1st year I started up, and although I wasn't racing, came down to the club at marking and clocks. The 2nd OB race was Ridsdale, and as you know Central & NW joint convoy or joint lib, but couldn't at Ridsdale - T Blair put it on Libline 'Self-liberated because of the wires'. Naive me hadn't a clue what that message meant, and thought our convoy had escaped  :B and was foolish enough to say so down at club - and was soon put right.  ;D

 

The 'scramble' I referred to was the scramble to find an alternative racepoint because we were supposed to go back to Ridsdale with YBs. As you know, these things are usually done in the off season when folk have more time to check things out. Thats all I meant by that.

 

So we flew Otterburn YBs 2002, and OBs & YBs from 2003. with the sole exception of 2005 when we went West coast and got cleaned out, reverting back East before the end of the OB season. That year we went to Otterburn YBs, and lost half the convoy.

 

Even your old mate W Orr says he doesn't understand why we go there - he was a long distance lorry driver and his pick - for facilities - would be Alnwick, but from what we have been told, there's a problem there too with a Radar? installation.