New Tax on pigeon club premises????

[pigeon bird]

Webmaster.

                You say it involves little pyisical exercersion, does that mean dog racing is not a sport??????????????

[timbarra]

Hi all ,

look guys you can take your case to the queen or the high court, its still gonna happen, and to be honest i agree we should be taxed on it. !! why ?

because pigeon fanciers in this country breed far to many rubbish pigeons from to many rubbish pigeons , therefore losing loads of what they breed. which adds to the growing problem of feral or wild pigeons hanging around and shitting all over the building in certain areas. which then means the local councils have to pay out for them to be exterminated and preventative measures being taken, and now they want us the pigeon hobbiest to start being resposible for adding to the problem, and shoulder some costs for which we in the past have never done.. well done the government about time to.

And you can all think of it in a negative way or just turn it around in your favour? how ? by merging all this poor little clubs that send no more than 5 or 6 members a week . so cost would then come down individually !! and if you say ...well i will pack it in and not race anymore!! fine do that , just dont bang your gums over and over again.. moaning. work it to the hobby's advantage !!!

 

 

I agree with the TAX .. we are getting of lightly , and the RPRA should have done something years ago and it would not have come to this .. but they sit on their arses taking your money and doing nowt.   we have ourselves to blame so put ou or shut up guys.!!

 

 

wish you all the best spencer

[dazza]

You gotta be kidding - well done the govt! It really has come to a farcical situation when they want to tax this.

 

[Guest dogeon]

Hi all ,

look guys you can take your case to the queen or the high court, its still gonna happen, and to be honest i agree we should be taxed on it. !! why ?

because pigeon fanciers in this country breed far to many rubbish pigeons from to many rubbish pigeons , therefore losing loads of what they breed. which adds to the growing problem of feral or wild pigeons hanging around and shitting all over the building in certain areas. which then means the local councils have to pay out for them to be exterminated and preventative measures being taken, and now they want us the pigeon hobbiest to start being resposible for adding to the problem, and shoulder some costs for which we in the past have never done.. well done the government about time to.

And you can all think of it in a negative way or just turn it around in your favour? how ? by merging all this poor little clubs that send no more than 5 or 6 members a week . so cost would then come down individually !! and if you say ...well i will pack it in and not race anymore!! fine do that , just dont bang your gums over and over again.. moaning. work it to the hobby's advantage !!!

 

 

I agree with the TAX .. we are getting of lightly , and the RPRA should have done something years ago and it would not have come to this .. but they sit on their arses taking your money and doing nowt.   we have ourselves to blame so put ou or shut up guys.!!

 

 

wish you all the best spencer

your opinion and free speech? well as you put it like that then thats good  :-/ because then when your club merges with a club 60 miles away we won't hear you complain,  if we let the GOV get away with this without a fight, then it just shows how easy you can be pushed around. Then next there want every pigeon fancier going down town to catch the strays and faral, to return them to the rightfull owner. but bearing in mind that we had a council tax increasement so the council do this?  and it would not go back down, ie the dustmans wages went up so we pay more council tax, then we have to do the dustmans job and take the bags to the street. :-/ and we didn't get a tax reduction for this.

so you might shut up and put up, but i won't go down with out a fight

 

 

[timbarra]

there is fighting for your right i know, but ask yourself this , where is the RPRA in all this, they have legal representation , why not let them fight our corner as they are our governing body? well they wont and do you know why? because they are a cowboy outfit with primative ideas and where have they taken the sport forward??? we have an image of flat caps and old men.... well we painted that image and have never painted another one since, so we have only ourselves to blame. look at Kieth Mott on the news, he didnt even have an answer at one point !!! god and this is the best we as a nation and supposed sport can do to defend ourselves... good job I was not next to him in a trence.

 

it will happen and no matter how much gum banging you do, we as a fancy walked straight into it.. made our bed ,now were asked to lay in it.. and we will . trust you , me.

 

so if you dont want to pay the taxes , get yourself off to the forest and live with robin hood, flt caps and green tights , nice combo!!!! ;D

[timbarra]

I do find this funny. it will happen and its best to sit and take it. better the devil you know..

[Guest]

just found this on pigeonland, in view from the reddings thread

 

   A MANIC MONDAY The office was thrown into confusion on Monday this week with the news that a pigeon club in Northumberland had been told to pay   business rates on its basket store.  Lots of news stories suddenlty appeared out of TV and radio and we received literally dozens of calls from national and regional media wanting a local spin on things.  Was it a problem?  Why aren’t you a spotrt anymore? (as was incorrectly reported).  The truth of the matter is that pigeon racing is not classed as a sport.  Many representations  to various bodies have been made over the years, the most recent only a few months ago by none other than Gerry Francis who went to see Sport UK to try to get us recognised as a sport.  Gerry tells me that he wasn’t in their offices for more than 10 minutes and he basically wasted his time, they weren’t interested.  He has however managed to get us recognised with the CCPR, the next best thing, and this organisation may be able to assist us in our goal for sport recognition.  The reason we are told we are not a sport is because it is the pigeon that does the racing and exertion, not the fancier.

[kaybee]

If the clubs are to be taxed as a business, then all members of the clubs will then have to become partners in the business and will be responsible for sharing all profits and losses made. If the clubs are run in such a way that they make a loss of the amount the new taxes are then all members will be able to claim this money back against their personal tax. Personally, I dont think we need worry too much.

[Guest dogeon]

the RPRA need to fight in our corner, but they also need backing from all its members, and if some members lay down and take it,  then why sould they fight it? we need to be united.

so chuck your flat cap away, ;D and stand up and be counted.

change only happens when you want it too

[Guest dogeon]

just found this on pigeonland, in view from the reddings thread

 

   A MANIC MONDAY The office was thrown into confusion on Monday this week with the news that a pigeon club in Northumberland had been told to pay   business rates on its basket store.  Lots of news stories suddenlty appeared out of TV and radio and we received literally dozens of calls from national and regional media wanting a local spin on things.  Was it a problem?  Why aren’t you a spotrt anymore? (as was incorrectly reported).  The truth of the matter is that pigeon racing is not classed as a sport.  Many representations  to various bodies have been made over the years, the most recent only a few months ago by none other than Gerry Francis who went to see Sport UK to try to get us recognised as a sport.  Gerry tells me that he wasn’t in their offices for more than 10 minutes and he basically wasted his time, they weren’t interested.  He has however managed to get us recognised with the CCPR, the next best thing, and this organisation may be able to assist us in our goal for sport recognition.  The reason we are told we are not a sport is because it is the pigeon that does the racing and exertion, not the fancier.

so does the gray hound on the track

 

 

[pault]

the RPRA need to fight in our corner, but they also need backing from all its members, and if some members lay down and take it,  then why sould they fight it? we need to be united.

so chuck your flat cap away, ;D and stand up and be counted.

change only happens when you want it too

 

lets organise a walk to downing street with all are familys ill bet we could get 200.000 people in total put the shits up them in charge and the news papers will have a ball with all that as i have said on pigeonland get emailing your m.p and the rpra like i have and lets see what happens and timbarra grow up will you and stop taking the p*ss

 

or we can carry on crying about it on the web sites.

The choice is ours

[chickadee]

so does the gray hound on the track

 

 

Aye exactly, its the greyhound that does the exercise not the owner so why are they classed as a sport????????

[DOVEScot]

Hi all ,

look guys you can take your case to the queen or the high court, its still gonna happen, and to be honest i agree we should be taxed on it. !! why ?

because pigeon fanciers in this country breed far to many rubbish pigeons from to many rubbish pigeons , therefore losing loads of what they breed. which adds to the growing problem of feral or wild pigeons hanging around and shitting all over the building in certain areas. which then means the local councils have to pay out for them to be exterminated and preventative measures being taken, and now they want us the pigeon hobbiest to start being resposible for adding to the problem, and shoulder some costs for which we in the past have never done.. well done the government about time to.

And you can all think of it in a negative way or just turn it around in your favour? how ? by merging all this poor little clubs that send no more than 5 or 6 members a week . so cost would then come down individually !! and if you say ...well i will pack it in and not race anymore!! fine do that , just dont bang your gums over and over again.. moaning. work it to the hobby's advantage !!!

 

 

I agree with the TAX .. we are getting of lightly , and the RPRA should have done something years ago and it would not have come to this .. but they sit on their arses taking your money and doing nowt.   we have ourselves to blame so put ou or shut up guys.!!

 

 

wish you all the best spencer

 

Timbarra with this type of statement, you are either one of the best wind up merchants or a complete fanny :-/ :-/ :-/

[Webmaster]

Found the list of Sport England recognised sports.

[gangster]

im sorry i find your statement to be a pile of crap!!!!!!! do we not pay enough taxes already ............this countrys tax bloody mad!!!!!!!!! jesus we get treated worse than the immigrants here and are expected to pay top dollar to keep everybody but US THE WORKERS OF THIS COUNTRY!!!!!!!!!!

[DOVEScot]

Found the list of Sport England recognised sports.

 

Sport Scotland isn't much better

http://www.sportscotland.org.uk/Search.htm?searchTerm=recognised%20sports

[DOVEScot]

im sorry i find your statement to be a pile of crap!!!!!!! do we not pay enough taxes already ............this countrys tax bloody mad!!!!!!!!! jesus we get treated worse than the immigrants here and are expected to pay top dollar to keep everybody but US THE WORKERS OF THIS COUNTRY!!!!!!!!!!

 

Who's statement???

[Guest dogeon]

im sorry i find your statement to be a pile of crap!!!!!!! do we not pay enough taxes already ............this countrys tax bloody mad!!!!!!!!! jesus we get treated worse than the immigrants here and are expected to pay top dollar to keep everybody but US THE WORKERS OF THIS COUNTRY!!!!!!!!!!

what my statment

 

[timbarra]

just found this on pigeonland, in view from the reddings thread

 

   A MANIC MONDAY The office was thrown into confusion on Monday this week with the news that a pigeon club in Northumberland had been told to pay   business rates on its basket store.  Lots of news stories suddenlty appeared out of TV and radio and we received literally dozens of calls from national and regional media wanting a local spin on things.  Was it a problem?  Why aren’t you a spotrt anymore? (as was incorrectly reported).  The truth of the matter is that pigeon racing is not classed as a sport.  Many representations  to various bodies have been made over the years, the most recent only a few months ago by none other than Gerry Francis who went to see Sport UK to try to get us recognised as a sport.  Gerry tells me that he wasn’t in their offices for more than 10 minutes and he basically wasted his time, they weren’t interested.  He has however managed to get us recognised with the CCPR, the next best thing, and this organisation may be able to assist us in our goal for sport recognition.  The reason we are told we are not a sport is because it is the pigeon that does the racing and exertion, not the fancier.

 

 

what a crock of sh**. thats the RPRA putting the ball in somebody elses court. as i stated before on here this is a hobby as i stated in my postings in the eyesign threads, and got bollocked for it , well proves again i was indeed right..  so apologies welcome from those concerned.

 

we are a hobby a hobby a hobby,,,, why ? because the RPRA have failed us all again and portrayed us as hobbiests, so much for taking us into this millenium.. we are still in the 1920s ..... best start running to the post office again lads... hey maybe then because we do a bit of running we can be called sportsmen !!! what do you think..

 

this is so great for our hobby, just enjoy it guys its how its gonna be.

 

regards spencer

 

 

[timbarra]

 

lets organise a walk to downing street with all are familys ill bet we could get 200.000 people in total put the shits up them in charge and the news papers will have a ball with all that as i have said on pigeonland get emailing your m.p and the rpra like i have and lets see what happens and timbarra grow up will you and stop taking the p*ss

 

or we can carry on crying about it on the web sites.

The choice is ours

 

look just bend over and take it gracefully. you have been paying you RPRA fees for so many years , so whats the difference.

 

[DOVEScot]

 

 

 

 

we are a hobby a hobby a hobby,,,, why ? because the RPRA have failed us all again and portrayed us as hobbiests, so much for taking us into this millenium.. we are still in the 1920s ..... best start running to the post office again lads... hey maybe then because we do a bit of running we can be called sportsmen !!! what do you think..

 

this is so great for our hobby, just enjoy it guys its how its gonna be.

 

regards spencer

 

 

Just because it is a hooby, does not mean it is not a sport

Interview.............What hobbies do you have...........I play Football, Rugby, Tennis, Golf, Race Pigeons, Race Greyhound. Sorry we were looking for someone done sports not just hobbies.....DAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

[gangster]

SORRY FOR CONFUSION I MEANT TIMBARRAS POST....AND I DONT BEND AND TAKE NOTHING JUST SO WERE CLEAR ON THAT 1.................

[pault]

 

look just bend over and take it gracefully. you have been paying you RPRA fees for so many years , so whats the difference.

 

WHO NEEDS ENEMIES WHEN YOU HAVE MEMBERS LIKE THAT UNBELIVEBLE >

ILL BET YOUR A BUNDLE OF LAUGHS IN YOUR CLUB MEETING

 

 

[Guest dogeon]

 

WHO NEEDS ENEMIES WHEN YOU HAVE MEMBERS LIKE THAT UNBELIVEBLE >

ILL BET YOUR A BUNDLE OF LAUGHS IN YOUR CLUB MEETING

 

ah and not so long ago he was onto albear but did apologise. so will someone please give him his toy back ;D ;D ;D

 

[Guest]

ok ive got his baton, i was having a go at twirling,  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

 

id sooner fly pigeons though ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D  ;D