birtish strains

[ch pied]

ok vic , stop the drip feed , we want the lot , nothing left out,,,, ;D ;D

[rembrant2coo]

this thread has been brilliant to-day talking about the things we love most (THE LONG DISTANCE RACING PIGEON ) iagree totally with everyone the families we create and the strains that were kept and even to-day are up there with the best in the world

[Guest]

Does anyone remember the late Vic Robinson from southampton way. Went there once as a boy wow, what birds he had.

[Merlin]

Stilll of opinion some sprinters would make good distance birds regardless of vel if prepared correctly,in its infancy all races were by to days standard compartively short races,even then its obvious there must have been birds with ability to fly distances,otherwise distance strains would not be here today,I beleive its more to do with fancier than birds,how many fanciers would take a good winner at say 250 mls vel 1200 ypm and following season prepare her for 600 mls,most will go with tried and tested 500/600 mile lines,posssibly a safer bet no doubt,at distance I beleive the most important thing required is the thing you cant evaluate or see,

its heart,tenacity,and sheer guts.on that day.

Total agreement a very enjoyable thread.and hopefully many more to come.

[Guest]

Aye Merln, have already agreed with you on an earlier post. My dad had a bird that wouldn't go past Selby, 78 miles. Win Selby numerous times, but no use whatsoever any further. He gave him away to a friend,and it bred a 2nd UNC Bourges 570 miles! So, agree, SOME sprinters will make good dstance birds!

[blackjack]

Darky Dick had 2 out of the flea dusky chequers they bred some good birds at that time you had Dick,Tom Rigg,Martland Bros,Albert Bartonand Tom Aughton all basically flying the same birds i went to Martlands,Albert Bartons and Tom Riggs with Dick they were all basically the same stock as they all swapped with one another.The reds and mealeys were mainly kept by Dick and the Martlands good hard pigeons.

Johnnie Orritt still flys them well at Mere Brow in the NFC and North Ashton and look at Brian Littlewood and few others like myself do alright with them but one thing these men had in common was good stock sense and how to get a pigeon fit in body and as importantly in the mind.I ask people to look at Dick Baldwins results between 1959 and 2000 .In that time he only introduced 3 hens into his stock loft show me another man who could do that and maintain his flying record.

[Guest]

Steve,

Once again mate, thoroughly interesting reading. I'm a Dick Baldwin fan mate which you already know! As Lol Whittle said whn auctioneering his sale, only thing that went was his legs, and that happens to us all as we get older! Keep the info coming, its been great!  ;D

[Guest Vic]

My Dad has talked about the flying fleas, think he had some many moons ago! Were they Reds Vic?

 

I do believe they were blues and blue chequers. Dr Rigg treasured his red chequers, which  came through his Gitts pigeons.  In 1963, He sold my mate, a  young red chequer cock, which had worked its way back from the Black Sunday disaster race. This first yb race was perhaps the worst ever yb race, with some clubs not even getting birds on the day. Anyhow, about 8 years later , Dr Rigg turns up at my mates house offering to buy back the Old Red Cheq, They struck a deal between them, with the doctor returning to Parbold with his red one, leaving my mate with two superb looking stockbirds. Yes a good flyer without doubt.  Vic.  

[bewted]

i remember seeing dr riggs red chequers many years ago,i was amazed at the solid colour red they were,never seen anything like them since !!!!

[Guest]

I beleive the Reds topped the NW Combine for a guy called Hogg a few years ago now aswell, i'm almost sure these were the Flying Flea pigeons, hopefully Steve (Blackjack) can confirm this!

[bewted]

i only know these two red chequers of dr riggs as i was in an old fanciers loft when he put them in there and thats what he said they were,i found out a few years later in all my pigeon reading who dr rigg was then,but,this was some 35-40 years ago now !!!!

[blackjack]

Kenny Hogg won Niort NW combine Niort with a chequer cock he had done well with some reds which i will get back to you on.

I ended up owning the cock via Alwyn Hill i paired him up with a multiple Niort hen of Dicks another chequer we got 5 youngsters out of 6 eggs Dick won the

3rd on the toss of a coin he bought the fish and chips that day.

We got 4 chequers and 1 silver from them

[Guest Vic]

Some good knowledgable fanciers in the 1960's reckonned  that no true Barker had red in it., causing quite a stir at the time!

[jimmy white]

my father bought   barker -gits from the late macalpine [dr andersons loft manager ] these birds were all b cheqs with feathered legs ,, off course dr anderson created many crosses [very successfully] then there was many reds among them [some also had the feathered legs] off course this was many years ago,, i think most" breeds" are diluted now

also just a point of interest my old dad [said follow the band ,,oops carried away ;D] said he swore blind the best book on racing pigeons was" dr barkers book on the racing pigeon"

[Roland]

Stilll of opinion some sprinters would make good distance birds regardless of vel if prepared correctly,in its infancy all races were by to days standard compartively short races,even then its obvious there must have been birds with ability to fly distances,otherwise distance strains would not be here today,I beleive its more to do with fancier than birds,how many fanciers would take a good winner at say 250 mls vel 1200 ypm and following season prepare her for 600 mls,most will go with tried and tested 500/600 mile lines,posssibly a safer bet no doubt,at distance I beleive the most important thing required is the thing you cant evaluate or see,

its heart,tenacity,and sheer guts.on that day.

Total agreement a very enjoyable thread.and hopefully many more to come.

 

Again would agree 100%.

Further I say that 1. The system is all important for what one wants to achieve.

2. I say that a so - called 'Distance' bird will win at the short end too... But fanciers tend not to go there.

Have a fellow year before  last that wouldn't fly above 400 miles... I coaxed him into flying a nigh 500 miler, 3rd club, 10th Fed- I beat him in club, where we had ( in that club only three day birds ... I also won with only day birds in another club and there were only 17 Fed birds on the day) ...He was so pleased andflew the programme completely last season.

[jimmy white]

 

Again would agree 100%.

Further I say that 1. The system is all important for what one wants to achieve.

2. I say that a so - called 'Distance' bird will win at the short end too... But fanciers tend not to go there.

Have a fellow year before  last that wouldn't fly above 400 miles... I coaxed him into flying a nigh 500 miler, 3rd club, 10th Fed- I beat him in club, where we had ( in that club only three day birds ... I also won with only day birds in another club and there were only 17 Fed birds on the day) ...He was so pleased andflew the programme completely last season.

 

i agree to these last two posts , its more to the point , the way birds are set up,, yes these so called sprinters can do it,, but in my experience when it comes to 6oo miles in a head wind it needs a special type of pigeon to do this ,,,but you need different types of pigeonns ,, for different types of races [horses for courses]

[Roland]

Agreed Jimmy, this is where the allimportant constitution of te birds make up takes over

Regardless what one pairs, or breeds what with what, the birds constitution is everything above all else.

[Guest Paulo]

Stilll of opinion some sprinters would make good distance birds regardless of vel if prepared correctly,in its infancy all races were by to days standard compartively short races,even then its obvious there must have been birds with ability to fly distances,otherwise distance strains would not be here today,I beleive its more to do with fancier than birds,how many fanciers would take a good winner at say 250 mls vel 1200 ypm and following season prepare her for 600 mls,most will go with tried and tested 500/600 mile lines,posssibly a safer bet no doubt,at distance I beleive the most important thing required is the thing you cant evaluate or see,

its heart,tenacity,and sheer guts.on that day.

Total agreement a very enjoyable thread.and hopefully many more to come.

 

Had this conservation this morning with my dad and he said he personally thinks a lot of it is in the feeding a lot of people said busschaerts wouldn't do the channel and then people sent them and they did