Pedigree

[Guest SPORTKA]

Just been doin a bit of homework on buying my first few ybs for when I get the loft complete in next few weeks,  my question really is how important is it to have the birds pedigree my reason for asking this is two fold firstly I have noticed that some of the pigeon studs will sell you 6 ybs without pedigrees for £120 however the same 6 birds with pedigrees are £240 which to me means the 6 bits of paper are costing me the same as the birds, as a new starter am I best off with less birds with pedigrees than twice the amount without, also looking ahead if these ybs perform ok they will ultimatly become my stock birds, would them not having pedigrees become detrementale if I ever had ybs to sell from them, hope this makes sence your opinions will be most welcome

[gangster]

sportka....remember this 1 bit of advise please if pedigrees could fly id be the best flyer in the uk...alas they only sit in the bottom draw of my unit and 99% of the birds for them are in the dustbin..........proven race results is what you want go buy from top fliers you wont regret it i promise.............

[just ask me]

i think u can get peds down the line will cost u but if u are going to race them prob no point if 1 or 2 turns out to be good bredders i think these studs can go back through there records and send u the ped but i really dont see the point u should really test them before u put them in your stock loft

[Guest chrisss]

iv'e been told that the best ped is the basket

[Castleview]

iv'e been told that the best ped is the basket

 

In my opinion, and no offence chrisss, but I think that's rubbish. I used to here people like that at my club back in 1996, and they were the mob fliers who bred quantity and not quality. 'I'm gonna breed 60 Youngsters this year and let the basket sort them out. Then I have the best of them all' What about the hen that doesn't do well at racing, perhaps always coming last in the loft? Would it occur to you that she could be a superb breeder? She may always come last, but are you going to risk sending her across the channel to race before you've tested her youngsters? She might be that 'goldmine hen' for the dream pair who always breeds winners. If the youngsters fail the tests then by all means put her in the basket and see if she does well at racing.

 

I think pedigree's are only of use to you if you buy a champion bird who you are going to breed from. If it's just for a kit of youngsters then don't worry. If one of them prove to be good his pedigree will be of no use on his G.G.G.G child. Most peds only do 3 generations, some do four. You may as well pay the £120 and by 12 pigeons.

[Fair Play]

I have noticed that the one loft races are also asking for pedigrees so at the end of season sale  "They sell better"

[Guest chrisss]

 

In my opinion, and no offence chrisss, but I think that's rubbish. I used to here people like that at my club back in 1996, and they were the mob fliers who bred quantity and not quality. 'I'm gonna breed 60 Youngsters this year and let the basket sort them out. Then I have the best of them all' What about the hen that doesn't do well at racing, perhaps always coming last in the loft? Would it occur to you that she could be a superb breeder? She may always come last, but are you going to risk sending her across the channel to race before you've tested her youngsters? She might be that 'goldmine hen' for the dream pair who always breeds winners. If the youngsters fail the tests then by all means put her in the basket and see if she does well at racing.

 

I think pedigree's are only of use to you if you buy a champion bird who you are going to breed from. If it's just for a kit of youngsters then don't worry. If one of them prove to be good his pedigree will be of no use on his G.G.G.G child. Most peds only do 3 generations, some do four. You may as well pay the £120 and by 12 pigeons.

 

no offence taken ;D ;D ;D however i still maintain that a pigeon makes its own ped i do not care if it is off this and that ,all i need to know is can it get home as fast as possible [and as a bonus can it bred the same?]but since this is my first years racing [ie lots of theory no experience ;D ;D ;D]i wait and see ;D ;D ;D

[Guest j.bamling]

iv'e been told that the best ped is the basket

 

You have been told Correct mate !!!!

[mac1]

will 2nd that

[Guest IB]

I don't believe that its a straight forward sale of £100 for the birds, or £200 birds with pedigree. Sounds suspiciously like (1) you'll get anything from the loft for £100, not necessarily from the stock loft or from the winning lines, or (2) you'll get birds from the winning line, from the stock loft, + pedigrees or (3) the guy can't be assed with the paperwork and hopes the higher price will put you off?

 

No matter what you buy, you've got to road-test them. And that's where the basket comes in. And as Gangster has hinted, give the line X years to prove itself on the road, if it turns out a dud, no matter what the price or pedigree - its a bin job.

 

 

[Guest SPORTKA]

The company in question specified which six birds they were, there is even a pic of the 6 of them, it really is a case of the birds are double the price if you want a pedigree, I understand that they involve more admin with having to print off the pedigrees but doubling the price of the bird seems excesive to me

[timbarra]

remember this you get exactly what you pay for.

 

 

 

agree with gangster , get birds from top fancier.

[stan p]

sportka  

          there are only 2 types of pigeons

           what ever distance you wont to fly winners & losers

            if winners not botherd  about ped, if losers ped, no good

             is it

 

                 stan p

[molly28]

you are right stan p it is thepigeon that flys not the ped

[pjc]

I asume you are refering to Louella!

With Louella you pay your money and take your chance, I personaly wouldn't guarentee anything from there with or without a pedigree.

You are better of buying froma fancier who is performing at the level and distance you aspire to.

 

Phil

[tskyes]

 

In my opinion, and no offence chrisss, but I think that's rubbish. I used to here people like that at my club back in 1996, and they were the mob fliers who bred quantity and not quality. 'I'm gonna breed 60 Youngsters this year and let the basket sort them out. Then I have the best of them all' What about the hen that doesn't do well at racing, perhaps always coming last in the loft? Would it occur to you that she could be a superb breeder? She may always come last, but are you going to risk sending her across the channel to race before you've tested her youngsters? She might be that 'goldmine hen' for the dream pair who always breeds winners. If the youngsters fail the tests then by all means put her in the basket and see if she does well at racing.

 

I think pedigree's are only of use to you if you buy a champion bird who you are going to breed from. If it's just for a kit of youngsters then don't worry. If one of them prove to be good his pedigree will be of no use on his G.G.G.G child. Most peds only do 3 generations, some do four. You may as well pay the £120 and by 12 pigeons.

 

WUD U SELL 12 BIRDS FOR £120 CASTLEVIEW ?

[Guest spin cycle]

source local if you can and don't fret to much over ped. mainly 'cos its early days. local flyers like their birds to go well but sometimes they won't sell locally. in my club you'd probably have a team bred for you free ( i did ) the 'sport' would be whose birds did best for you. having said that another new starter across the county couldn't even buy a yb from his 'clubmates'. buying from studs may work for you but it didn't for me . spend your money on getting the lofts equip just right and on 2 pairs of stock from a genuine dispersal.

[Castleview]

 

WUD U SELL 12 BIRDS FOR £120 CASTLEVIEW ?

 

I see my error  :'( I meant to say 6 for £120.

[tskyes]

I CANT PUT AN ORDER IN THEN ?