2nd Income.....Pigeon Courier

[jakjak]

Some of you may have seen Dafydd Hughes advertising in the BHW.

This guy is trying to set up a courier service for birds in the UK.

Lets face it, Amtrak do not deserve our business.

I have put my name forward for Northamptonshire. (but not committed yet)

The more people interested in this the better, and hopefully a bigger area will be covered.

Anyone interested in more information, please ring 07760 176205 after 5 PM

or email; roger@park-farm.com

[Guest TAMMY_1]

Some of you may have seen Dafydd Hughes advertising in the BHW.

This guy is trying to set up a courier service for birds in the UK.

Lets face it, Amtrak do not deserve our business.

I have put my name forward for Northamptonshire. (but not committed yet)

The more people interested in this the better, and hopefully a bigger area will be covered.

Anyone interested in more information, please ring 07760 176205 after 5 PM

or email; roger@park-farm.com

 

hope he does set up to cover the uk, somebody more reliable is certainly needed, good luck to him and yourself

[DOVEScot]

I hope it works, but will be a lot dearer, I done a pricing plan and did not find it viable. It would be ok to do it by areas but the minute you cross over it becomes very near impossible. Ok in central areas but the minute you have rural or outlying areas definately would not work.

Couriers like Amtrak have hubs all over the country, we would need something like a holding loft able to section or quarantine birds.

Example pick any place in britain, lets say Scotland. right in the middle of Edinburgh/Glasgow/Moffat/Creif you have Whitburn, ten pigeons to each of all places all, Amtrak would do that from £170 if they were for four adresses or they would get £1200 for 40 seperate adresses, good money at the top end but no way worth it at the bottom end.

How would anyone cope if they had to go beyond that small area like Carlysle to Aberdeen or Greenock to ST Andrews for the same money.

Bearing in mind Amtrak can, from Aberdeen/Greenock/St Andrews to Kent/Plymouth Swansea/Cardigan, because they are not just carrying pigeons to all these places

 

I think you would have the same networking nightmare if not a hell of a lot worse :-/

[Whats it called Cumbernauld]

Yes DoveScot,

 

This is interesting, and something that really should be addressed, though i have been away from the birds for a number of years it would seem Amtrak are no better today than they were 10 years ago.

 

Think it would be true to say that such a new service would be supported by most.However for me the money making part "short deliveries" is mostly done by the fancier. Wish i had a fiver for every time ip picked up birds bought or  reported in a 20 mile radius.

 

I think a network of holding lofts would help.Leaving the central belt of Scotland to take one pigeon to Aberdeen say would be a big part of the down side.However if this bird was held for a week or so, you may have other birds to take north as well, thus making at least viable

 

 

Doing something regionally is worth looking at and any feasibility study should be backed and monitored at both fed and Union level.

 

If we cant get the service outside the sport we should long since tried to solve it ourselves,

 

Cheers

 

Rab Smith Yeah

[Fair Play]

Bring back the railways 8) 8) 8) :

[Whats it called Cumbernauld]

One other though,

 

Louella and other studs dispatch birds to Scotland, as they do to all parts of the country on a regular basis.At present they will give no more mind to sending birds to Stirling one day, and Glasgow the next.

 

Now with there co-operation, there can be no good reason why a consignment of birds for Scotland, could not be dispatched on a weekly of fortnightly basis.Or indeed for all regions. Now it could be argued that this would at least reduce the cost on birds purchased from the big studs,which contribute to a large part of pigeon transportation within the uk.

 

 

A little thought this could become a reality

 

Happy days

 

Rab Smith

[pjc]

Cumbernauld, 10 yrs ago we still had interlink as well so Amtrak had compertition.

The RPRA could invest some money into putting a stray loft in each region, then birds could be moved from region to region on transporters then the owner could just collect the birds from the local stray loft?

 

Phil

[Whats it called Cumbernauld]

This is very true phil

[pjc]

If Amtrak give up carrying birds which I think is likely, then what will the RPRA do?

How will fanciers get birds back without falling foul of the rules, other fanciers will understand but birds will  have to be collected from non fanciers?

The RPRA should be doing something now, maybe even use some money from Blackpool instead of giving it to raptor centres etc!

 

Phil

[Guest mikkey]

If Amtrak give up carrying birds which I think is likely, then what will the RPRA do?

How will fanciers get birds back without falling foul of the rules, other fanciers will understand but birds will  have to be collected from non fanciers?

The RPRA should be doing something now, maybe even use some money from Blackpool instead of giving it to raptor centres etc!

Phil

 

i hope thats a p**s take

[pjc]

Its not, they gave money to a bird centre on the Gower that specialise in releasing raptors!

[jakjak]

I hope it works, but will be a lot dearer, I done a pricing plan and did not find it viable. It would be ok to do it by areas but the minute you cross over it becomes very near impossible. Ok in central areas but the minute you have rural or outlying areas definately would not work.

Couriers like Amtrak have hubs all over the country, we would need something like a holding loft able to section or quarantine birds.

Example pick any place in britain, lets say Scotland. right in the middle of Edinburgh/Glasgow/Moffat/Creif you have Whitburn, ten pigeons to each of all places all, Amtrak would do that from £170 if they were for four adresses or they would get £1200 for 40 seperate adresses, good money at the top end but no way worth it at the bottom end.

How would anyone cope if they had to go beyond that small area like Carlysle to Aberdeen or Greenock to ST Andrews for the same money.

Bearing in mind Amtrak can, from Aberdeen/Greenock/St Andrews to Kent/Plymouth Swansea/Cardigan, because they are not just carrying pigeons to all these places

 

I think you would have the same networking nightmare if not a hell of a lot worse :-/

 

Well the guy runs other courier business's so i am sure he know what he is doin.

[jakjak]

Cumbernauld, 10 yrs ago we still had interlink as well so Amtrak had compertition.

The RPRA could invest some money into putting a stray loft in each region, then birds could be moved from region to region on transporters then the owner could just collect the birds from the local stray loft?

 

Phil

 

Now that is a good idea!!

[Roland]

Bring back the railways 8) 8) 8) :

 

Oh yes, absolutely brilliant. They trained them, took strays hither dither, Was the best transport and liberations ever possible, and the 'Pigeon Facterinty crapped on them big time... the masses led by the 'Haves' brigade who were then quickly exploited, and those promises quickly forgotten.

The grass rootes needed the trains... BR said words as such 'After all we did for that fancy ... even designed and built special carriages etc. and they treated us like *7@'#'#oc Beeching, the struture was still well in place after his carving it up ... yes a slight inconvienence was to occur for some... but the system was still in tact and working. It was the FANCY that did he dirty. Shame on them and their short sightedness, and moreso those that never delivered after all the hopes raised after tickling the ear for own selfish ends...

[Guest mikkey]

Its not, they gave money to a bird centre on the Gower that specialise in releasing raptors!

 

how can the rpra do that when they know that their members and other organisations are losing hundreds maybe thousands of birds a year to the already overpopulated hawks, ive got no evidence that the sparrowhawk my nemesis is overpopulated but many people think this is so (maybe thousands is over exaggerating) but you get my drift > >      i know we been through this all before about hawks but its summat that needs sorting out and im running out of pellets

[DOVEScot]

 

Well the guy runs other courier business's so i am sure he know what he is doin.

 

That is one of the only ways it would work, if the guy has other courier interests then transporting pigeons is a good added income.

I was commenting on a sole pigeon courier service and the networking it would need to deal with all of the UK  :-/

If you don't have the networking to get a pigeon from on end of the uk to the other, then you need holding lofts, bearing in mind Amtrak just don't transport racing pigeons the also deal with fancy or any pigeons, so isolation would be needed at the holding lofts to eliminate as much as possible any cross infection.

[retired]

whichever way we look at it, something needs doing as i dont think amtrack will be doing it for much longer now. then we are buggered

[DOVEScot]

whichever way we look at it, something needs doing as i dont think amtrack will be doing it for much longer now. then we are buggered

 

The uk is the only country that has just one main courier service, UPS cover all America and parts of Europe but not the UK :-/

[jonny]

I would be willing to run a stray holding centre .   north east england. I also have room . have reported every stray in the last year ( only racing 1 year ) met some lovely fanciers.