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[swilcox]

Very true chriss,they all fly in the same direction, we have too many who search the easiest way to win rather than the ultimate test for there birds.

[gangster]

Very true chriss,they all fly in the same direction, we have too many who search the easiest way to win rather than the ultimate test for there birds.

 

very good point mr hammer!!!!!!!!!

[andrew]

I beleive the quality of the birds in this country are equal to those in other countries, just as stuart said the racing systems in this country are all over the place.

 

i would like to note as well it is important that people realise what a national is and what it is not as many people say 1st national etc etc

 

A NATIONAL RACE IS A RACE WHERE IT IS OPEN TO THE WHOLE CONTRY NOT JUST PART OF IT. THATS THE TRUE RESULT I BELEIVE IN UK IT IS

 

THE NATIONAL FLYING CLUB & BBC I BELEIVE I MAY BE WRONG MAY BE MORE

[Roland]

More natural corridor racing ... But I'd disagree with the 'True' National in any  of them. Position is rife also,  - of course it must be - and many 'Out of Position' lofts provide many so - called names with their birds, which are well sought after.

Names - like here - are thoses wll posoitined / located lofts.

[Roland]

Take the 'Up North' Combine, takes all the winning, and yet many seek just good so called Section Birds, and know little to next to none, chance of winning the 'Big One' yet that commands a lot more respect  in achieving than any 'National' which here, like every where else favour the chosen few.

Only way that any so called 'National' here could attract new flyers is fairer and more sensible sections, which in their own right bear the merit they deserve. Likewise abroad.

[Merlin]

In agreement with Roland,Holland and Belguim geographically small in comparsion to England,create proper and fair Sections,otherwise all kudos would be on South East Coast location,and create races within a race so to speak,with equal rewards and merits to birds winning in Sections possibily racing hundreds of miles further,also in agreement with Andrew as to defination of a National,no radius must be open to all flyers within that Nation.

[Geraint Parry]

Welsh National???? Wales is a country??

[Merlin]

Geraint I was in this instance referring to England,with Wales Scotland and Ireland competing,you would have your International,its a possibility,if we could manage to lift ourselves from the many small minded issues dogging this sport.

[wullie]

I AM SURE THER WAS TALK OF AN BRITISH NATIONAL RACE FROM GERMANY BEING MOOTED THROUGH THE WINTER. IS THIS IDEA DIED A DEATH OR WORK IN PROGRESS

[Geraint Parry]

I AM SURE THER WAS TALK OF AN BRITISH NATIONAL RACE FROM GERMANY BEING MOOTED THROUGH THE WINTER. IS THIS IDEA DIED A DEATH OR WORK IN PROGRESS

 

The route that was propossed was on the South East line. We fly this route at club, fed and National level. but i am affraid south road fliers would send to this race once maybe , and would have one heck of a shock , r.e. returns etc, its not a easy route.

 

What is the size of Belgium? Bigger than Wales? the problem with the UK is all the polotics. You get them at club level, fed level and National level. The Welsh South East National races along with the Combine and liberates the bird together, but because of the polotics a few small clubs in North East Wales can't get into the combine when 99.99% of Wales can. Why because they are scared of getting beat. When I won the National a few years back , there were 5,000+ birds flying in the national and 10,000 + in the combine, but because they wont let us in the combie I could only claim 1st National, when the fancier that topped the combine 10,000+ birds was in fact about 6th , 7th National. Now if this isn't giving a false result what is???

Polotics is one of the reasons I finished with the birds last year. It's like banging your head against a brick wall.

 

We have 2 feds in North Wales. going on the same day to the same race point, but they won't get their heads together and sort things out, why because they are scared of getting beat.

One of the feds is in the Combine I was talking about but they won't let the 3 clubs on the front end join their Fed. There was even talk of them wanting  a new Section in the WSENFC a North West Section, its a joke......i'll stop rambling on now.............

 

 

[timbarra]

foriegn players win races they same as British players, you just got to know what you want and how many and from where.

 

I have had pigeons that cost little and they won nothing much,  then I decided to pay more for better pigeons and never looked back, so you get what you pay for in my mind.

 

their are good pigeons the world over, but its your own preference for type and family.

 

spencer

[Guest mikkey]

i think british racing needs a true champion,one big race to sort out the bragging rights england,scotland ,ireland wales can you imagine how big that would be, testing your birds against everyone, but i suppose it would be too much to organise and where would you race from ete etc etc etc..........maybe im being naive (is that how you spell it) ;D................think about it  gentlemen and ladies  

[mark]

foriegn players win races they same as British players, you just got to know what you want and how many and from where.

 

I have had pigeons that cost little and they won nothing much,  then I decided to pay more for better pigeons and never looked back, so you get what you pay for in my mind.

 

their are good pigeons the world over, but its your own preference for type and family.

 

spencer, we cant all afford to pay over inflated prices for birds  at the end of the day its supposed to be a sport and if you have a family to bring up you have to get your priorities right.  so if you pay £10 a bird or £200 there is a market for all depends on the size of your pocket.

 

 

[Whats it called Cumbernauld]

Yes suppose we could all race from say 300 miles on a certain day, however the champion would be dictated by Velocity,which in turn would be at the mercy of wind direction.

 

To many skeptics would shoot down such a competition.

 

However would like to link an idea which is connected to another thread, to commemorate those lost during the fist word war at YPRES.

 

Many moons ago when writing in the B H W ,I covered the idea of a relay race, which would be used in order to commemorate big historical events.

 

I understand some logistical problems however the concept i believe is a good one.

 

From YPRES to the far north of Scotland. Now all the governing bodies will come up with reason why this or that can not take place.

 

If its what the fancier wants we can make it happen.

 

guessing 600/700 miles with say 5/6 lofts in each team with the sole purpose off getting, an undisclosed number to the last loft who would phone in that number and be given a place there and then.Indeed thought would have to go in to this however it is the concept i put forward as an idea to get us in the uk working together while doing it for a good cause.In addition to this it would generate much needed publicity if nothing else.

 

It would sure put the proverbale cat amonst them in Scotland Members of diffrent National clubs flying in the same team

 

Shookaroony

 

Can i have your thought on this please

 

Cheers

 

Rab Smith

[timbarra]

I can appreciate your point mark, I have a young family and work 6 days a week and still manage to buy expensive pigeons. or good pigeons.

 

I had to save mate and when i had enough i went looking for what i considered the best, now i can afford to sell some youngsters as well as stock so they can now pay for themselves.

 

its difficult i know but possible with lots of patience mate.

 

 

when people buy  top pigeons they dont need 10 or 20 , 3-4 should set you up for 5-7 years and related cross can then be brought in.

so if you pay £100 for a good bird it works out over 5 years £20 per year invested in that bird, but people buy and pay £30-£40  for a bird that does nothing for years and there is no sound investment in this method.

 

I would rather pay £400 for 4 and see it as investment and breed winners ove the next 5 years , than pay lots of £20 over 5 years and chase nothing at all.

 

just my opinion, I also do try to make my own bloodlines available and cost effective for fanciers, it only takes negotiation and for people to know what they want..   success or failure ?  the difference is what? £s.

 

just my thoughts mark, cheers mate.

 

spencer

[Guest slugmonkey]

Congrats Timbarra 4th 0f 1260 is a very good performance anywhere and you should be proud

[timbarra]

thanks SLUGMONKEY,

 

but that was one position, the other pigeon took 1st prize....

 

visit my website and see the gentlemans performances.

 

thanks spencer

[Lennut Tar]

Congrats Timbarra 4th 0f 1260 is a very good performance anywhere and you should be proud

 

Hi Slugmonkey !!!!!!!, how do you think the two of us would go ????? etc  ;D ;D ;D if we had an open national   :D . in our little back yards  : : :. So to speak.

Timbarra !!!!!! Well done etc, always nice when our birds perform for other flyers, I would suggest.

Enjoy.

 

 

[Guest slugmonkey]

I look for results in one loft races I belive these are the truest reports of a breeders performance

P.S. 1st is even better

[timbarra]

thank you for all those kind words of congratulations, i am pleased when people win with my pigeons, which is every year !!

 

thanks guys.

[Guest mikkey]

I look for results in one loft races I belive these are the truest reports of a breeders performance

P.S. 1st is even better

 

yea but hasnt someone else bred the birds and the man with the loft feeds and trains etc

[timbarra]

 

yea but hasnt someone else bred the birds and the man with the loft feeds and trains etc

 

yes and congratulations to my friend in Portugal, i already passed on my congratulations,  

 

its good to know jealousy rules the foolish head.

no craftsman can work with bad tools !!!!!  to remain a constant thought !

[Guest mikkey]

are you trying to insinuate that im jealous

[timbarra]

are you, consider i am better looking !!!!! you could well be. ;D ;D ;D ;D

[Guest mikkey]

;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D i was only stating a fact anyway congratulations on the birds that you dont own or train or feed winning a race, well done mate