Myths with no Credence.

[Guest IB]

I think you misread what you see happening the Wild Roland, and try to apply that to confined pigeons. Doesn't work quite as you would have us believe.

 

Agree very much wild pigeons congregate in big groups. But there is a cut-off point where competition - for a mate, food, perch, breeding space etc - becomes too great, and part of the colony breaks out to start a new colony somewhere else.

 

Our pigeons can't break-out, they are confined. So in overcrowded conditions you either have a flyaway, or a hand from Nature in the way of disease and deaths - either way, compensation and reduction in numbers.

 

And Bird flu thrives in poultry sheds because of overcrowded conditions in them, another hand from Nature in the way of disease and deaths - and reduction in numbers.

 

 

 

[OLDYELLOW]

you wont succed IB his beliefs are of his own and maybe a couple of others but sense and pocket will dictate how many birds you keep , but more space means healthier birds that are content and will rest as wont be squabbling for its place in the loft.

[Roland]

you wont succed IB his beliefs are of his own and maybe a couple of others but sense and pocket will dictate how many birds you keep , but more space means healthier birds that are content and will rest as wont be squabbling for its place in the loft.

 

Who tweeked your nose? eh

[OLDYELLOW]

bewitched tweek tweek lol

[Roland]

I think you misread what you see happening the Wild Roland, and try to apply that to confined pigeons. Doesn't work quite as you would have us believe.

Firstly.... So a tiger that has for a few generation don't eat meat eh!

Better still mate Ferals are derived from Pigeons, just that same... and you haven't like any body else a youngster that will beat a tame feral home.

 

 

Agree very much wild pigeons congregate in big groups. But there is a cut-off point where competition - for a mate, food, perch, breeding space etc - becomes too great, and part of the colony breaks out to start a new colony somewhere else.

 

Our pigeons can't break-out, they are confined. So in overcrowded conditions you either have a flyaway, or a hand from Nature in the way of disease and deaths - either way, compensation and reduction in numbers.Agree of course, and that is nature taking care of it's own a perserving the breed. All wild life, when able, makes one sex leave to keep the species intact abd viral... just look at the losses of the birds to - day, and it will get worse and worse. Because most don't know the difference between Line Breeding and In breeding for starters! Even how and what happens either. That is for another topic of Myths that don't hold water

 

 

And Bird flu thrives in poultry sheds because of overcrowded conditions in them, another hand from Nature in the way of disease and deaths - and reduction in numbers.

 

So does every other desease, what has that got to do with overcrowding. Overcrowding didn't cause it! .. And twhat is morePigeons don't get Avian Flu.

AndSpreading quicker is another plus for crowding as it spreads quicker. Sooner fixed, immuned the better ALL at same time preferablely! Don't want a never ending circle, especially as thaat will hold the others back constantly.

 

 

 

 

 

[Roland]

Firstly.... So a tiger that has for a few generation don't eat meat eh!

Better still mate Ferals are derived from Pigeons, just that same... and you haven't like any body else a youngster that will beat a tame feral home.

 

And Bird flu thrives in poultry sheds because of overcrowded conditions in them, another hand from Nature in the way of disease and deaths - and reduction in numbers.

 

So does every other desease, what has that got to do with overcrowding. Overcrowding didn't cause it! .. And what is more 'Pigeons' don't get Avian Flu.

As Spreading it quicker, well that is another plus! Sooner fixed, immuned the better ALL at same time preferablely! Don't want a never ending circle, especially as thaat will hold the others back constantly.

[Roland]

;D

bewitched tweek tweek lol

 

 

[Roland]

read this

http://www.pigeonbasics.com/articles/article79.html

 

Read it... one persons thoughts... like

An experiment in overcrowding was made with mice. If a colony is established with plenty of room their numbers increase rapidly. When the space was reduced to a point of overcrowding the rate of reproduction reduced. Fighting developed. Litters became smaller and a number of females stopped breeding. In some instances, mothers ate their young. Numbers died from ‘stress’ but not from any disease or injury. This occurred even though the supply of food was ample. Thus, a phenomenon, very similar to the medical adaptation syndrome, can occur in animals in response to overcrowding without a shortage of food and without the incidence of disease or parasitation.  Would or does this happen to Penquins, Gillmotts, Gulls etc. etc.

No and mice are a Herding animal. Likewise with wolves etc.

At all times there is a cutting off AND reintroduction of ALL animal / Birds / Fish, because that is what keeps the flock, herd etc. healthy and virile. Likewise with pigons...

In bred for Stock, Outcross for racing. Simple that. Knew a Fellow had a bird sent down by gangsters' uncle. Specially bought for the blood / breed.

Was he disappointed! Phones him up and say ' **** that bird is poor... why it has a job to fly upto a perch, Golly never compete a race, let alone Win one... can't see .... etc.

they reply was 'It isn't to fly, it's to .......ed. Mate it with what you like, and the off spring OFF them will win races... It is just a Blood producing ...' etc. He was 100% right, he wins, and won more than his share from Grandchildren of that bird.

So now you know why wildlife has to keep change partners... and WE HAVE to, and SHOULD be doing the same!

[pigeonscout]

roland has overcrowding made you a successful flyer? if the answer is yes, then maybe you do know more than the worlds top flyers because they tell us not to overcrowed.

[OLDYELLOW]

heres another thought too many rabbits in one area what happens ? mixxy why? over populated ........................ then what ? wiped out populaton

[Roland]

heres another thought too many rabbits in one area what happens ? mixxy why? over populated ........................ then what ? wiped out populaton

 

Isn't that man made and spread down every year. Illegal to put down, but not to buy and store... And also, don't you just love it when you see the scars after Oct / November and know that they are now nigh immune to it! Nature, like I say taking care of it's self.

Pigeonscout, why bring personal accheivements to try and add wieght to your forlorn quest to prove the unproveable.   Other than holding that crap sceanrio in the comtempt it deserves I WILL give the only answer needed. which is 'Angelo Dundee, never boxed, never even had the gloves on in his life, let alone sparred etc. Are we saying he wasn't fit to to manage world champions'!!! :-/ :-/ 1000'S of them scenario's, but I probly have a few swallows  in a summer to hang up high'!

[Roland]

Quoted from OLDYELLOW

heres another thought too many rabbits in one area what happens ? mixxy why? over populated ........................ then what ? wiped out populaton Indeed nothing naturual about that. And isn't it a flea/ And isn't the quick spreading and thus eradicating the ailment in all our interests!

Are the panniers never crowded? Whay of the Hold overs? Further don't these so called pigeon wizards state that their birds were in better condition when arriving home from a hold over than when they went! Indeed the Rest, basket (Cramped and overcrowed regardless) bring on their form and condition!

[ChrisMaidment08]

Quoted from OLDYELLOW

heres another thought too many rabbits in one area what happens ? mixxy why? over populated ........................ then what ? wiped out populaton Indeed nothing naturual about that. And isn't it a flea/ And isn't the quick spreading and thus eradicating the ailment in all our interests!

Are the panniers never crowded? Whay of the Hold overs? Further don't these so called pigeon wizards state that their birds were in better condition when arriving home from a hold over than when they went! Indeed the Rest, basket (Cramped and overcrowed regardless) bring on their form and condition!

 

i think you miss hear what they mean we seem to think our birds will be a mess when returning after being in race  if looked after come home good nick

[OLDYELLOW]

heat brings on condition , the stress of a basket out weighs there benifit and the confined space causes diseases to spread along with respirity problems

[Guest Freebird]

heres another thought too many rabbits in one area what happens ? mixxy why? over populated ........................ then what ? wiped out populaton

 

Mixxy was mans feeble attempt at eradicating the pest but hey, old ma nature came up trumps again. Nothing to do with overpopulation. Mixy was spread through breading. Horrible thing and just one of the many mistakes made by man the so called super intelligence.

 

[Roland]

Wouldn't have put it down at the time if it affected the game bird, or deer etc. I wager.

The sick part was / is that they persecuted any one culling them... obviously for a meal.

then when they were took to task because they were classed as vermin, and you can't be prosecuted for killing vermin, they hastenly brought out a new word for them. Colney... In pursuit of colney... make you laugh eh. So like Freebie reitriates, Nothing to do with overcrowding.

[Tony C]

The life expectancy of a feral pigeon is less than 2 years of age. Why's this?

[OLDYELLOW]

there suicidal lol

[Guest Freebird]

Wouldn't have put it down at the time if it affected the game bird, or deer etc. I wager.

The sick part was / is that they persecuted any one culling them... obviously for a meal.

then when they were took to task because they were classed as vermin, and you can't be prosecuted for killing vermin, they hastenly brought out a new word for them. Colney... In pursuit of colney... make you laugh eh. So like Freebie reitriates, Nothing to do with overcrowding.

 

Too true. The poacher was the bady ( get of my land ). Now no one want's rabbit because o the mixxy. Be better eating them than your G.M. coos and sheep, no tae mention chicken. Were back to that green stuff again! Grass=rabbit=eat=healthy(evil)

[Tony C]

there suicidal lol

;D

 

 

[Guest Freebird]

there suicidal lol

 

Ahahahahahaha! an I don't blame em.

 

[OLDYELLOW]

could be less bread to eat in town centres due to the wheat increases of late making them suicidal

[Lennut Tar]

 

what do you call this fancier

 

Well now !!!!!!!!!  ;D ;D ;D you have asked me to step up to the plate etc Pigeon scout,   :P & be judged on what I have said here. First !!!!!!!!! what I'm about to say I believe, would mean very little to any one here for obvious reasons, in my view. Unless your one of the locals here or a Kiwi   :) but still !!!!!!!! trust me in what I say. Our man   :) is one of the best flyers in the local Federation here, where they have sent away up to 10,000 birds etc on many occassions in the past & except for 3 or 4 flyers that I know off in the 100 year history etc here of the federation, he has won more Feds than anyone to my knowledge & he is a short flyer also. Now !!!!!!!! not only that, but for many years he has built up a reputation, of being one of the hardest working administrators at Fed level etc, which also gives him more brownie points   :) in my view.

Enough said   ;) & by the way, his name is John Brislin & have know doubt what so ever. "He is a real champion here".

Enjoy.

 

 

[pigeonscout]

 

Well now !!!!!!!!!  ;D ;D ;D you have asked me to step up to the plate etc Pigeon scout,   :P & be judged on what I have said here. First !!!!!!!!! what I'm about to say I believe, would mean very little to any one here for obvious reasons, in my view. Unless your one of the locals here or a Kiwi   :) but still !!!!!!!! trust me in what I say. Our man   :) is one of the best flyers in the local Federation here, where they have sent away up to 10,000 birds etc on many occassions in the past & except for 3 or 4 flyers that I know off in the 100 year history etc here of the federation, he has won more Feds than anyone to my knowledge & he is a short flyer also. Now !!!!!!!! not only that, but for many years he has built up a reputation, of being one of the hardest working administrators at Fed level etc, which also gives him more brownie points   :) in my view.

Enough said   ;) & by the way, his name is John Brislin & have know doubt what so ever. "He is a real champion here".

Enjoy.

 

 

He is a great fancier and I have read a lot about him but even he would not keep 100+ birds in a 12+6 and think it was good for them.

[Roland]

No not would ... Does!