Becoming a seller - clear up

[Webmaster]

Don't think I was too clear with 'Become a Seller' click here. Once you've clicked it, you now have access to this board (the private 'Pending Sellers' board).

 

Here there are the guidelines and instructions for the next steps in becoming a seller on Pigeonbasics.

 

Feel free to post in here any questions, comments about becoming a seller

[grizzle_hen]

Remember to pm me with the following details:

- your full name

- flying name

- full address

- telephone and mobile (if available)

- email address

- loft number or other union information if loft numbers are not in use

- whether you intend to be a private or professional seller

 

Then I can approve you as sellers  

[swilcox]

Hi Richard/Grizzle Hen.

 

I think the new rules are great and should suit everyone who takes pride in the pigeons they sell.

 

Just one note on the donations front, its straight forward for me to donate however in the past we have donated a bird which is then auctioned off and i belive we have raised nearly £500 in the last too years by doing this, and this would equate to more like 20%. I had the intenetions of again offering a matched pair as before from Raymond, would this still count as our donation?

 

All the best

Stuart

[grizzle_hen]

Yes, a donation of a bird is fine  

[DOVEScot]

Should there not be a facility on the site to post all your personal details rather than PM'ing them to a member :-/

[Webmaster]

Should there not be a facility on the site to post all your personal details rather than PM'ing them to a member :-/

 

The full personal details are only needed if there is a problem. We suggest the seller places as much information on the topic as possible, and that includes the personal/contact details as they see fit.

[DOVEScot]

 

The full personal details are only needed if there is a problem. We suggest the seller places as much information on the topic as possible, and that includes the personal/contact details as they see fit.

 

I thought you had to post all your details to Grizzle-hen before you could sell any pigeons, I have said for ages that in order to sell something you have naturally to post basic details so the transaction can be completed. How can you buy something if you do not have a name on the cheque for payment, an address the payment has to be sent to and a number you can contact if there is any problems

Maybe on joining or remaining a member of the site you must post all these details to become or remain a member and if any problems arise on the site members details will be posted to parties concerned :-/

[grizzle_hen]

 

I thought you had to post all your details to Grizzle-hen before you could sell any pigeons, I have said for ages that in order to sell something you have naturally to post basic details so the transaction can be completed. How can you buy something if you do not have a name on the cheque for payment, an address the payment has to be sent to and a number you can contact if there is any problems

Maybe on joining or remaining a member of the site you must post all these details to become or remain a member and if any problems arise on the site members details will be posted to parties concerned :-/

 

To be approved all the details are given to me, I then keep these details on file so that if there is a problem, or someone queries something about details I can deal with it. Also when posting up a bird for sale, people might not want to put there telephone number or address up for everyone to see (prank calls come to mind or if someone has a grievance with someone they have their details). But these details can be obtained by an interested party.

 

So say I'm interested in a bird your selling and I wanted to ring you to ask some questions, I can pm grizzle hen and ask for those details.

[DOVEScot]

 

To be approved all the details are given to me, I then keep these details on file so that if there is a problem, or someone queries something about details I can deal with it. Also when posting up a bird for sale, people might not want to put there telephone number or address up for everyone to see (prank calls come to mind or if someone has a grievance with someone they have their details). But these details can be obtained by an interested party.

 

So say I'm interested in a bird your selling and I wanted to ring you to ask some questions, I can pm grizzle hen and ask for those details.

 

Surely under the data protection act this should be a facility on the site not a file kept by a member and disclosed at their discretion :-/

 

[grizzle_hen]

I'm sorry but there is no need to nit-pick at everything, and anyway why would I want to disclose anyone's information? I'm just monitoring/moderating the sale section for Richard, the administrator, in effect he's the one keeping this information, so not just a member.

 

If you have a problem with the conditions for the sale section then don't send me your details  :-/

[Webmaster]

Details are required to safeguard a buyer and the site. If a buyer cannot get hold of the seller through the means given out on their topic, and sufficient time has lapsed the details we hold may be given to the buyer.

 

This is far safer than having them posted to the website, where as stated they could be abused.

 

In a nutshell;

 

To become a seller you give us your details.

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They are stored safely and are only accessible by an administrator or Gemma (as the For Sale section Moderator).

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Only if there are problems in contacting the seller will the details be used, or given to a buyer.

[DOVEScot]

I'm sorry but there is no need to nit-pick at everything, and anyway why would I want to disclose anyone's information? I'm just monitoring/moderating the sale section for Richard, the administrator, in effect he's the one keeping this information, so not just a member.

 

If you have a problem with the conditions for the sale section then don't send me your details  :-/

 

Not nit picking as you put it, as a member I am entitled surely to ask a question on the security of any personal information a member divulges, as far as I knew you were just an ordinary member who happens to be the webmasters girlfriend :-/

[DOVEScot]

Details are required to safeguard a buyer and the site. If a buyer cannot get hold of the seller through the means given out on their topic, and sufficient time has lapsed the details we hold may be given to the buyer.

 

This is far safer than having them posted to the website, where as stated they could be abused.

 

In a nutshell;

 

To become a seller you give us your details.

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v

They are stored safely and are only accessible by an administrator or Gemma (as the For Sale section Moderator).

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v

Only if there are problems in contacting the seller will the details be used, or given to a buyer.

 

I am not saying all members personal information should be posted, there should be a part on the site to post it, if all sections are not filled in then you cannot sell on the site, not just sent in a PM to a member :-/

 

[pjc]

I think the way its being done is the best way.

As they say its the buyer who is going to pm the seller in the first instance and they should provide all there details to complete the transaction.

Only if this line of communication fails should a buyer need to obtain details from Richard or Gemma.

 

Will buyers of auction birds also need approval to prevent newbies appearing, placeing silly bids never to be heard of again?

 

Phil

[swilcox]

At the end of the day its the same information that you enter on the transfer form, i dont see any harm by the way its being done.

 

Stuart

[DOVEScot]

I think the way its being done is the best way.

As they say its the buyer who is going to pm the seller in the first instance and they should provide all there details to complete the transaction.

Only if this line of communication fails should a buyer need to obtain details from Richard or Gemma.

 

Will buyers of auction birds also need approval to prevent newbies appearing, placeing silly bids never to be heard of again?

 

Phil

 

It's plain and simple, if you want to sell something you have to post your details, if not then where do you send or take the payment, if payed by cheque then who do you make the cheque out to, where do you collect or arrange collection of birds from etc.

If you do not supply these basic details then how on earth do you expect to sell anything :-/

Especially now with the colapse of Amtrak any body selling birds, the first question will be where do you come from so if I buy them it is feasible to collect them or have them collected :-/

 

Duncan Reid

AKA DOVEScot

3 Cadham Crescent

Glenrothes

Fife

Scotland

KY7 6PG

07 720 721 889

reidan@blueyonder.co.uk

 

 

[DOVEScot]

At the end of the day its the same information that you enter on the transfer form, i dont see any harm by the way its being done.

 

Stuart

 

Your right, why people want to hide their indentity baffles me, I just don't see why you have to PM it to a member on the site, there should be a part on the site where you post your details if you don't fill in all the relevent blanks then you don't get to join or at least join certain parts

I am sure with the data protection act the website cannot pass any personal details onto other members anyway :-/

[Webmaster]

 

I am not saying all members personal information should be posted, there should be a part on the site to post it, if all sections are not filled in then you cannot sell on the site, not just sent in a PM to a member :-/

 

You're right a seller should disclose enough information for the item to sell, but once a buyer has been found, address, cheque details can be shared. There is no business of anyone else to have access of the information unless the seller wishes so.

 

Example; an advert in the fancy press doesn't say 'send cheques payable to..., send to ....' and divulge every piece of information. If someone is interested they contact the seller by phone, PM or how ever.

 

There is no easy way that people could post their information in such a way that ensures their data security that is better than the way we are requiring. Gemma is a moderator of the For Sale section and any details are kept offline on a computer that we both can keep an eye on (both physically and virus/security wise). This is far more secure than an online system, and as I say I know the location of the files and can ensure that the computer is no susceptible to any virus, or third party access.

 

Regarding filling out the details; all details are required, and becoming a 'seller' is a manual process so that we can check all of these things. If there are any questions 'seller' staus isn't given, or can be removed at any time.

[pjc]

The data protection act prevents details being readily available without individualys permission.

The ways its been set up allows sellers to post as much information as they want, also i'm sure not all sellers would want crank calls and scammers using there details.

 

Phil

[frank-123]

so if your a seller you agree by giving your details they may be made available to a buyer at the discretion of the webmaster or his  webmistress

seems fair enough to me

[ally mac]

I think you need to be careful posting address's on the net, you never know who is reading the posts. You hear a lot about loft break ins these day.

 

Al.

[Webmaster]

I think you need to be careful posting address's on the net, you never know who is reading the posts. You hear a lot about loft break ins these day.

 

Al.

 

Dont see what difference it makes if seller posts his details on here you would do it if you were advertising in one of the books and it really isnt that hard to find out anyones details if you know there name and what area they come from

 

There are ways and means, but we won't be making it any easier. The details will only be given out when all other communication has failed, and then only to the single member involved.

[DOVEScot]

 

You're right a seller should disclose enough information for the item to sell, but once a buyer has been found, address, cheque details can be shared. There is no business of anyone else to have access of the information unless the seller wishes so.

 

Example; an advert in the fancy press doesn't say 'send cheques payable to..., send to ....' and divulge every piece of information. If someone is interested they contact the seller by phone, PM or how ever.

 

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What I can't understand is Mickey Mouse advertises something for sale on the site, all it says in his personal profile is his AKA(the real Mickey Mouse does not keep pigeons as far as I know ;D ) and the number of posts

When you ask these Mickey Mouse sellers any details they get upset and start who are you to ask any questions, do you remember the hassle when the guy was selling tablets and he would only give you details once you sent the money but would not tell you where to send it....It was a farce

Surely if you want to sell anything on the site then your personal info should at least contain your real name and what area you are from, a lot of these arguments are started because the Mickey Mouses trying to pull a fast one not because someone on the site made a genuine error, COULD YOU IMAGINE IF I SOLD ANY DODGY GEAR ON THE SITE.  ;D ;D ;D

 

Also a lot of members are peeved with the ones that only use the site to sell pigeons but if we if we stopped everything that peeved members :-/

 

 

There is no easy way that people could post their information in such a way that ensures their data security that is better than the way we are requiring. Gemma is a moderator of the For Sale section and any details are kept offline on a computer that we both can keep an eye on (both physically and virus/security wise). This is far more secure than an online system, and as I say I know the location of the files and can ensure that the computer is no susceptible to any virus, or third party access.

 

Regarding filling out the details; all details are required, and becoming a 'seller' is a manual process so that we can check all of these things. If there are any questions 'seller' staus isn't given, or can be removed at any time.

 

Richard, anything can be hacked into and the fact that you share this file then there is third party access :-/

 

I post my details openly because I have nothing to hide and certainly nothing to fear despite some cowardly Mickey Mouse threats to my well being form associates from the site :-/

 

[Webmaster]

 

What I can't understand is Mickey Mouse advertises something for sale on the site, all it says in his personal profile is his AKA(the real Mickey Mouse does not keep pigeons as far as I know ;D ) and the number of posts

When you ask these Mickey Mouse sellers any details they get upset and start who are you to ask any questions, do you remember the hassle when the guy was selling tablets and he would only give you details once you sent the money but would not tell you where to send it....It was a farce

Surely if you want to sell anything on the site then your personal info should at least contain your real name and what area you are from, a lot of these arguments are started because the Mickey Mouses trying to pull a fast one not because someone on the site made a genuine error, COULD YOU IMAGINE IF I SOLD ANY DODGY GEAR ON THE SITE.  ;D ;D ;D

 

Also a lot of members are peeved with the ones that only use the site to sell pigeons but if we if we stopped everything that peeved members :-/

 

 

 

Richard, anything can be hacked into and the fact that you share this file then there is third party access :-/

 

I post my details openly because I have nothing to hide and certainly nothing to fear despite some cowardly Mickey Mouse threats to my well being form associates from the site :-/

 

You're right; to sell something a seller has to give out details, but what details and how they do that is up to them. We're not going to hold people's hands in the selling or buying process, but we are an extra security for the buyer when all else fails. Once more we are able to vet the sellers on here, and if something does go wrong stop them from using the for sale section again.

 

Regarding access to the details. I dont have time to reliably run the approval process, therefore by far the next best thing is for Gemma to do it for me. I have complete knowledge physically where the computer is, and how the security software is setup on it. If a seller isn't happy giving us their details, they must be unhappy about any 'buyer' getting their details, and therefore wouldn't want to be a seller anyway :-/

[DOVEScot]

 

We're not going to hold people's hands in the selling or buying process,

 

:-/

 

But that is a problem that arises on the site someone should lend a helping hand on the site, especially the newbes who are the raw meat for these guys

 

 

If a seller isn't happy giving us their details, they must be unhappy about any 'buyer' getting their details, and therefore wouldn't want to be a seller anyway :-/

 

I just don't think PM'ing them is the safest way to post them :-/