PIGEON LUNG fanciers, please reply

[debonair.pidjin]

Hi,

 

I am a 29 years old fancier that has "pigeon lung". I never had problems for the first 2-3 years, then I started to cough and have fever after being exposed to pigeons. My father has it really bad but he doesn't like pigeons.

 

My case is interesting because I only get fever and chills when I get back to my pigeons, after being away from them for 1-2 weeks. If I continue to be with them daily (no mask) I just have productive cough in the morning and that also becomes mild. Anyway I don't want to play with my lungs, so I use Aircap model #4 now, which is very good.

 

I am mad about pigeons so I decided to learn everything I can to be able to keep them, even if I have PFL. I read some PL threads here and learnt that there are some fanciers who also have it. I would like to create an online community for this where we can help each other with advices and news. I also made a website: http://www.racing-pigeons.org/pigeon-lung/ - any suggestions for it are greatly appreciated.

 

My current loft is open (one wire wall) but it still collects a lot of dust on the floor. So, for PL, the floor is the main problem. I "designed" a sketch of my future loft... I think that this setup would be dust free. What do you think?

 

 

Other measures to limit the exposure would be:

- only marathon races (a few)

- a few pigeons

- rarely enter the loft (for banding the babies, catching the racers)

- natural approach (free mating, open nest boxes - jungle law, the best breeds)

- feeding the pigeons outside on the ground (I always loved that)

- open the loft from outside

 

I don't care too much about winning races but I care a lot about being able to keep my pigeons.

 

Thank you for any replies.

[just ask me]

there was a brillant thread here ill try find it had some real good links on it ill try find it

 

only other thing i can say is wear gloves and mask and have all your skin coverd when in the loft

[PATTY BHOY]

good design,good luck

[DOVEScot]

Having to deal with Billy and the effects that pigeon lung has on him I understand as best as possible what fanciers go through, he has the worst form according to his chest consultant and isn't allowed anywhere near pigeons  

 

 

 

 

[LISTER]

ets would help with racing. you would not have to catch them

[Guest IB]

Original thread:

 

http://forum.pigeonbasics.com/m-1144749048/s-0/

[Larry Lucas]

The open concept loft will help. If you have a few quid laying around here is a devise that might help as it removes 98% of five micron particles and 85% of all particles as small as one micron. If five micron particles are removed that is extremely helpful in preventing PFL -- removing smaller particles than that is a bonus. I am building a new loft soon and I will build one of these for each enclosed section. Somewhere on the web is a free plan for building one and the HEPA filters are available from woodworking supply houses.

 

http://www.amazon.com/708620B-AFS-1000B-Filtration-Electrostatic-Pre-Filter/dp/B00004R9LO/ref=pd_bbs_sr_8?ie=UTF8&s=hi&qid=1222363130&sr=8-8

[debonair.pidjin]

Oh my God! Larry, thanks, that device looks like heaven.

With it and the loft project I posted I think I can even forget about the mask.  

In fact I think I will install 2 devices just to feel even more relaxed LOL.

 

Also, there was an article years ago, about some kind of fruit juice named "mangosteen" or something like this...said to have anti inflamatory effects and believed to work very well in PFL too. Never tried it, if anybody did, please say.

 

DOVEScot, I am sorry, I can't read the article from your link even if I registered there.

[Larry Lucas]

Oh my God! Larry, thanks, that device looks like heaven.

With it and the loft project I posted I think I can even forget about the mask.  

In fact I think I will install 2 devices just to feel even more relaxed LOL.

 

Also, there was an article years ago, about some kind of fruit juice named "mangosteen" or something like this...said to have anti inflamatory effects and believed to work very well in PFL too. Never tried it, if anybody did, please say.

 

DOVEScot, I am sorry, I can't read the article from your link even if I registered there.

 

Here is the URL for the air cleaner that can be built if you are handy.

 

http://www.fountainclan.com/wood/Air%20Cleaner.html

 

I think it would be good to vent the exhaust side of the unit to the outside of the loft through a duct or vent.

 

[DOVEScot]

DOVEScot, I am sorry, I can't read the article from your link even if I registered there.

 

Seems like part of it was taken from this site, or maybe Tammy posted it on there as well :-/

 

Try this

http://pigeons4u.18.forumer.com/index.php?showtopic=1654

[Larry Lucas]

. . . With it and the loft project I posted I think I can even forget about the mask . . .

 

The birds will still have bloom on their feathers. If I were in your spot I would still wear a mask, loft coat and shoes, and shower after spending a lot of time with the birds. Just another thought.

[debonair.pidjin]

I was so happy for your tips with that device and so I was kidding - yes, I will use the mask, of course and I think I will introduce the coat too.

I don't spend too much time with the birds inside the loft, most of the time I call them out and I spend hours with them this way.

 

Thanks for the homemade device link, but I am far from handy so I think I will just buy one (or two!)

 

By the way, people say that "open" lofts will prevent PL. Well, my current loft has a full wire mesh wall, and another wall 1/2 wire mesh and I still got pigeon lung. When the birds flap their wings, loads of dust rises from the floor. Another myth - smoking. My father smoked a lot (he gave up recently) and he has really bad pigeon lung.

 

I would like to make some interviews with fanciers with PL for the website, to see how they manage everything: loft descriptions, methods, protection, etc. Is anybody interested?

[Guest]

I bought a ion wind personal air purifier from steve hole and what a difference when your at the club,first time handling pigeons for 9 years,

but i still wear a mask in the loft, i just will not take a chance,dont want to end up in hospital again.

 

 

[debonair.pidjin]

Wow Clockman, thanks, this is again, something new for me.

Are you talking about a device like this? http://www.minimate.co.uk

[Guest peter.j]

Wow Clockman, thanks, this is again, something new for me.

Are you talking about a device like this? http://www.minimate.co.uk

there was a similar piece of kit advertised in the bhw this week at a 1/3 of the price

 

[debonair.pidjin]

there was a similar piece of kit advertised in the bhw this week at a 1/3 of the price

 

Can you please tell me the name of the device to search online? Thank you!

 

[Guest peter.j]

ion wind personal air purifier

 

  contact number of 01952 461 588 steve hole

 

.....pete

 

[Guest peter.j]

cheers for that clockman can you tell us if they work etc thanks ....pete

[Guest]

cheers for that clockman can you tell us if they work etc thanks ....pete

 

works for me at the club no more sore legs ect after basketing

 

but i still wear a mask in the loft. not taken a chance

[DOVEScot]

 

works for me at the club no more sore legs ect after basketing

 

but i still wear a mask in the loft. not taken a chance

 

How does it affect your legs Geordie :-/

[Guest]

 

How does it affect your legs Geordie :-/

 

feels just like the flu

[DOVEScot]

 

How does it affect your legs Geordie :-/

 

Billy gets pains but never thought they were associated with his pigeon lung, thought they were from his diabetes  or his cancer :-/

[jimmy white]

The open concept loft will help. If you have a few quid laying around here is a devise that might help as it removes 98% of five micron particles and 85% of all particles as small as one micron. If five micron particles are removed that is extremely helpful in preventing PFL -- removing smaller particles than that is a bonus. I am building a new loft soon and I will build one of these for each enclosed section. Somewhere on the web is a free plan for building one and the HEPA filters are available from woodworking supply houses.

 

http://www.amazon.com/708620B-AFS-1000B-Filtration-Electrostatic-Pre-Filter/dp/B00004R9LO/ref=pd_bbs_sr_8?ie=UTF8&s=hi&qid=1222363130&sr=8-8

 

once again larry to the rescue, certainly looks like a brilliant gadget ,, for both pigeons and fanciers   

in my opinion , anyone member of " pigeon basics" say , for over a year , with   pigeon lung,, should be able to get help  out of pigeon basics fund ,,,, i wonder if lottery grants could be made for this use also, [if claimed for] its seems to me very unfair that these members afflicted with this desease have to pay that much , but off course if theve no alternitive ,,,when needs must  :-/

[jimmy white]

I bought a ion wind personal air purifier from steve hole and what a difference when your at the club,first time handling pigeons for 9 years,

but i still wear a mask in the loft, i just will not take a chance,dont want to end up in hospital again.

 

 

i had one of these, allthough i do not  suffer from this desease , my brother in law is an asthma sufferer and found it  impossible to go anywhere near a pigeon loft ,,, as he said himself,  this definately  helped , allthough if entering the loft ,he still wore a mask also.

[Guest]

ion wind personal air purifier

 

  contact number of 01952 461 588 steve hole

 

.....pete

 

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