help please!!

[Guest Grasshopper Lofts]

how can i stop my  young birds landing on the house roof. When let out they mess on the loft roof then fly up to the house they then go for a fly but always land back on the house roof. I have houses all around me so when i scare them of mine they just go to another any advice on this would be great.

[bewted]

DO THEY COME IN STRAIGHT AWAY WHEN YOU CALL THEM ?

[Guest Grasshopper Lofts]

hi mate no they come when they want to i have tried no feeding them and letting them out tried all the advice on this forum about young birds but they still dont wanna know also lost one this morning

[mark proctor]

hi mate i am having the same problem.. ive have moved to a new address and started back up pigeons after having 2 years of....and i wished i never..( were even thinking of moveing again... were blocked in the young birds have to come down like helecopters ..believe it or not.. :o :'( :'( i no what your going threw mate ..we have no back garden either ..well only about 4 ft in front of the loft...wow.. anyway i let my y birds out and all they no is strait on the house roof.. which surround our loft...the only way we can get them to trap is to cut there food right down..which i dont like doing..then they trap great...BUT..then they dont wont to fly.. :'( :(you carnt win mate can you...if yours arnt trapping when you starve them you might have problems mate.... cats ..foxes.. ect..comming in the night... i had that problem at my old address... ps try feeding once a day.. i feed at 3.00 then there realey hungry after the fly in the morning.... hope this helps mate....ps im still bloody fliting thou ..next doors dog is doing my head in lol.... :(

[pjc]

Hi Damian,

 

The only way is through food! Keep em hungry so when you let them out they get up and fly.

When they land on the roof call them straight down with food, after a while they won't go on the roof and drop straight back to the loft after a fly.

If you don't break them now you never will!

 

Phil

[mark proctor]

havent you read the above??? :-/ :-/ im going threw what hes going threw...if there real hungry they wont FLY even if he scares them of is roof they will go on next doors,,and if he scares them of next doors they will go on next door to that...mine are doing the same ..thats how i no.. :-/ :-/ if you let yours out starving and they fly you better give me some tips on how to do it lol....??????????????????????????????????????????????

[pjc]

when I lived in East London my loft was 4' from the back of the terrace house with trees touching the back of the loft garden 25'long!

The birds had to drop like stones to hit the loft!

When the youngsters first took to the sky they would land on the roof but as soon as they did I would shake the tin and they'd come down, after a while and when they learned how to get straight down on the loft they very rarely touched the houses!

Its all about controlling the food and training, not starving them!

 

Phil

[heather down]

ive just started back with pigeons as my husband passed away 2 years ago and I did help him a lot with them and missed having to see to them and train them. I have a friend of his to help Hoppe this helps who hasnt raced for over 25 years so I've been training them to the whistle If they do go on the roof which only the very young ones do now  all I have to do is blow the whistle and they come down. I always blow it to get them in and feed them. It doesnt take them long to learn, it was something my husband always did.

[mark proctor]

ok phil..but ive got no garden they can land in ..my gardens the same size as me loft..1ft from house 1ft from back fence..i let mine out and they have to go up like helecopters ..no bull mate... i think i might as well call it a day..even if they land on the loft theyve got a big nasty rotweiler jumping up the back of the loft barking and chewing on the loft....im nackerd mate..trust me...were looking for another house tommorrow.... :'( :'( :'(

[Roland]

hi mate i am having the same problem.. ive have moved to a new address and started back up pigeons after having 2 years of....and i wished i never..( were even thinking of moveing again... were blocked in the young birds have to come down like helecopters ..believe it or not.. :o :'( :'( i no what your going threw mate ..we have no back garden either ..well only about 4 ft in front of the loft...wow.. anyway i let my y birds out and all they no is strait on the house roof.. which surround our loft...the only way we can get them to trap is to cut there food right down..which i dont like doing..then they trap great...BUT..then they dont wont to fly.. :'( :(you carnt win mate can you...if yours arnt trapping when you starve them you might have problems mate.... cats ..foxes.. ect..comming in the night... i had that problem at my old address... ps try feeding once a day.. i feed at 3.00 then there realey hungry after the fly in the morning.... hope this helps mate....ps im still bloody fliting thou ..next doors dog is doing my head in lol.... :(

 

Sitting around waiting to be fed eh!

The art  - IF one must have this crap scenario of not letting them sit on roof tops - is a regular ruentine... enough feed to give them the almo for the flying time they need, and always ready to land for crub after ranging.

P.s. outside of nieghbour trouble just what is this fetish about sitting on roof tops. Most spout on about it, but 90% of ALL fanciers allow it. Just go and see for ones self. REmember Brian - and he is typical -spouting how they are out flying or in the loft, and where are they in reality, like most, flying then flitting from roof top to roof top! Best place to observe any pigeon without a shaddow of doubt is ... ON the roof tops!

 

[pjc]

i did have 6' infront of the loft before they hit the fence and ran the gauntlet with my dog!

[mark proctor]

lol   ;) all the best phil..

[Lennut Tar]

 

Sitting around waiting to be fed eh!

The art  - IF one must have this crap scenario of not letting them sit on roof tops - is a regular ruentine... enough feed to give them the almo for the flying time they need, and always ready to land for crub after ranging.

P.s. outside of nieghbour trouble just what is this fetish about sitting on roof tops. Most spout on about it, but 90% of ALL fanciers allow it. Just go and see for ones self. REmember Brian - and he is typical -spouting how they are out flying or in the loft, and where are they in reality, like most, flying then flitting from roof top to roof top! Best place to observe any pigeon without a shaddow of doubt is ... ON the roof tops!

 

Interesting post Roland, & much nearer the truth in real life in my view in many cases. Just does fit the image which many wish to portray etc. "Of in the air or in the loft" & if we all had to play by that rule ???????? many of us would be long gone. From what I have seen, & I'm talking about many of the top flyers in my area too.

PS, Mine are tree sitters   ;) & these days  :'( :'( :'( I carn't tell whether it's a pigeon or a gosshawk up there, their that high up most of the time.

Enjoy.

 

 

[gangster]

even ste  mayletts youngsters hit the roof and he is the best youngbird flyer in the manchester area.....as anyone who knows him can tell you and his drop is crap birds virtually have to land on the roof 1st.....keep chasing them will cost ya on race day believe me...

[The White Rapido Man]

Yep......its a tricky one....

 

Control is gained by food....but its hard to find a happy medium... Too much food..and they sit out for hours....Too little food and they on th roof and back in for a feed in seconds

 

I had the sae eproblem but hacve sorted it now....

 

If you let the problem persist it will be habbit they'll never get out of.

 

1. start for scratch....no food for one day, then light feed on the seond day.. 3 day basket them all and take the away from the loft for a day..... t-time let them out hungry, and they will be hungry and 'loft pround'

 

2. day 3......... fill your hopper, lets say 20 handfulls of corn

 

3. feed the Ybs in the morning....as soon as one goes for drink...take the food away

 

4. measure how many handfulls of corn you've got left... subtract that from the original 20, and what ever is left 'should' be the correct amount of food yor birds will need a day.

 

5. Day 3....... put half the amount of food you have acertained is the correct amount for your birds in the hopper........let the birds see you put it down..when they start to come down....shoo them out for a fly....... the hungrier one will be the first in....................... obviously some of the birds will miss out on a feed, and will be dam sure they are in first next time out.

 

6.  slowly but surely they will realise that fly = food.... could take you a week to get them into the routine...but constisencey is the key... dont leave the grub in, and do everything the same everyday...........  

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Ronnie]

ok phil..but ive got no garden they can land in ..my gardens the same size as me loft..1ft from house 1ft from back fence..i let mine out and they have to go up like helecopters ..no bull mate... i think i might as well call it a day..even if they land on the loft theyve got a big nasty rotweiler jumping up the back of the loft barking and chewing on the loft....im nackerd mate..trust me...were looking for another house tommorrow.... :'( :'(

The only way is to cut back on food mate till they trap better.If i was in your shoes mark i wouldnt worry about them on the garden i would make a trapping system on the shed roof and let them go straight on the shed roof and in.Out through the doors in through the roof.

Cutting the food back isnt a permanent thing just till they get the hang of not landing on the roof.

When they land on the roof just call them down with a bit of corn they will get it in a week.

 

 

 

[jimmy white]

how can i stop my  young birds landing on the house roof. When let out they mess on the loft roof then fly up to the house they then go for a fly but always land back on the house roof. I have houses all around me so when i scare them of mine they just go to another any advice on this would be great.

 

yb,s like anything young are very curious , they will , if allowed go from one roof to the next , and then the next , i have found by letting them out hungryish , throwing a few handfulls of conditioner ,or any small seed on top of the loft, then have a catapult , fire some chopped potatoe squares , when they try land on the roof , have a very yb on the loft roof top [not flying yet] persevere ,allways use the catapult and potatoe [wont damage tiles etc ], and theyll soon get into the habit of landing on the loft, what they learn when their young ,be it good habit or bad habit , will be with them when they are older

[Guest IB]

Well my YBs are 6 weeks old now, and began stage 2 of their training yesterday.

 

Stage 1 lasted 2 weeks, began as soon as they were shifted and started with vaccination at 4 weeks. Every time the feeder went down (twice a day) they were called to it. After a couple of days they were there at 1st call. Then an odd one stayed away.  I reckoned a YB not eating had summit wrong so whipped it into a spare nest box for 24 hours with no food, just water. Soon knocking the nest box front down on hearing the call next day.

 

Stage 2 they go in the basket for an hour before evening meal. Basket sat on a wall in front of loft with drinkers on. They watch OBs come and go into and out of loft. I get the OBs in and lock them in their section. 1st day the basket is in the aviary, the double doors closed, the doors to the YB end are opened, the feeder put down, the flap dropped and they are called - ran length of loft to the feeder. 2nd day (tonight) much the same, except the basket is sat outside the doouble doors, the flap dropped and they run through the doors into the loft - 13 roadrunners  ;D - and ran the length of the aviary and loft to the feeder. Day 3 is tomorrow and the basket will again be outside but a bit further from the double doors .... etc. They won't get outside proper till they come running every time they hear me call, and they'll spend an overnight in the basket before that.

 

[Guest chrisss]

Hi Damian,

 

The only way is through food! Keep em hungry so when you let them out they get up and fly.

When they land on the roof call them straight down with food, after a while they won't go on the roof and drop straight back to the loft after a fly.

If you don't break them now you never will!

 

Phil

 

thats the best bit of advice,also do not scare them off the roof,if you take the above advice they will get out of the habit,its a matter of judgement,the only way to control young birds [at first] is through food,[iam not talking "dachau specials" here]from what i have seen anyone who lives in a built up area has birds on their roof,everytime they land on the roof get them in and feed them,its what i had to do as iam surrounded by huge trees,and the birds had to land on the roof before they dropped down

[Guest Vic]

Some will disagree with my way of thinking. But let your ybs enjoy the taste of peanuts. And then , unless your are a *expletive removed*, you will be in full control!