ETS/RPRA RULES

[Guest]

i was going to bring up a point on the other thread running at present re :ETS/FOOLING/CHEATING but i would have had to go off thread so have started this new one.

my point was going to be that a member on the other thread stated that he was totally against ets.

his club an rpra club after accepting around 7 applications from the members of a neighbouring shu club,which they knew were totally ets timing.

when the question of using ets came up later in the meeting,it was stated that as the officials were against ets the new accepted members could not use their ets systems.{rpra rules}

a few weeks later one of the officials of this club attended his chosen national club agm and proceeded to vote for the acceptance of ets timing.

do the members agree with me that that smacked of double standards and do the members think that the rpra rules need to be changed to allow a level playing field for everyone instead of the present ludicrous situation whereby one club will allow use of ets but another might not,solely on the grounds that 2/3 officials of the club refuse to have anything to do with ets.

[OLDYELLOW]

within the rules im sure you cant make anyone mark your bird , but i believe you can get them done at another club by there officials so ineffect they could use there systems , but i cant see how they could transport back ectra , but you could change your club in order to use it im sure secatarys if saw how easy it was to mark birds no need to write race sheets buy rubber most would accept it , its progress im sure they wouldnt be wanting to go back to working out velocitys by paper as soon as calculators were about they used the calculators and accepted it , then computers came as it made the secatarys job easier it was accepted , just a shame the ease of use of an ets system for secatarys and fanciers alike isnt acepted because your neighbouring clubs will be using them and getting better results no birds going clock shy and loosing races , ETS is here and wont go away people are using it and benifiting from it , dismiss it and fall behind

[Michael J Burden]

Join the clock comittee and become familiar with the system and you can use it if there are enough of you. You only need to specialise in the ETS

[Michael J Burden]

to true

[Guest]

Join the clock comittee and become familiar with the system and you can use it if there are enough of you. You only need to specialise in the ETS

 

think you are missing my point.

dont the rpra rules on ets state that the officials of a club must be aquainted with its operation for marking etc and must be prepared to do the work necessary.

meaning that if the officials of a club state that they are not aquainted with the system and therefore are not prepared to entertain ets.

in the case i highlighted at the start of this thread the seven members whose applications were originally accepted,were prepared to supply all equipment & manpower to  enable ets marking/checking to take place,but the officials weren"t prepared to have anything to do with ets.

i believe the rule states that an official of the club must be competent in the use of the system & must be prepared to do the work.

so my question is "if  an ets system or clock is approved for use by a union,why should a member of that union be denied its use because a few officials of that club don"t want it"?

[Michael J Burden]

If you know anything about the ETS system you will know it is not simple. If the clock officials cannot get to grips witht he whole set up join and do it. I am pretty good with comuters use them at home and work but for some it is still magic box stuff.

How can you force someone who has not skill at all to do your ETS, my advice is to join the comittee and get a grip of the situation.

I accept that some just don'twant it but how do you sort out which is which. If you join and set it up I am sure the others who see it working properly will some pick it up and get into the ETS circle with you.

[Guest]

 

think you are missing my point.

dont the rpra rules on ets state that the officials of a club must be aquainted with its operation for marking etc and must be prepared to do the work necessary.

meaning that if the officials of a club state that they are not aquainted with the system and therefore are not prepared to entertain ets.

in the case i highlighted at the start of this thread the seven members whose applications were originally accepted,were prepared to supply all equipment & manpower to  enable ets marking/checking to take place,but the officials weren"t prepared to have anything to do with ets.

i believe the rule states that an official of the club must be competent in the use of the system & must be prepared to do the work.

so my question is "if  an ets system or clock is approved for use by a union,why should a member of that union be denied its use because a few officials of that club don"t want it"?

 

 

[Guest]

 

Dont see anyone would be denied it just means if you want to use ets in a club and there isnt anyone doing it you are going to have to find someone willing to learn how to use it and set it for you   If you get on well with your other club members and are a good worker for the club dont see why anyone wouldnt be willing to help you might have a problem though if you are one of those who do nothing except expecting everyone to do what you want

 

with respect to rose & michael,you have not read my posts  correctly we the seven members accepted for membership were prepared to supply all equipment and manpower to do the ets marking and checking.

i am FULLY aquainted with the system,indeed members on here have been in touch with me for advice on its use,my point is that we were denied its use only because the officials of the club were against it & used the rpra rule which states that an QFFICIAL of the club must be competent in its use and be prepared to do the necessary work.

strictly on the wording of the rule it must be an OFFICIAL.

by the way rose i have had pigeons for over 40 years,always been a worker in clubs i have been in and am  and have been secretary of my local shu club for the last 3 years,during which time we have used the ets system.

it was only when some of the members applied to join a local rpra club that the problems highlighted surfaced.

also you might be thinking that i am new to this site,i am not,its just that my old pc packed in,i forgot password etc and re registered when i got my new pc using a different username.hope this clears up one or two points. thanks

[Guest shadow]

As has been said if the officials do not feel competent using ets then at the club agm you need somebody to volunteer to replace the existing officials they can not be forced to do the job the seven members need to replace the existing officials

[Guest]

the rule which says"officials" should be replaced with the phrase "competent members"why should members of the same union albeit different clubs be treaty differently because officials decide they dont want anything to do with ets{approved system for all.

by the way shadow the seven members resigned immediately after the meeting at which they were accepted.

[Guest spin cycle]

have to agree with some of the others...the seven members need to replace the officials unwilling to use ets. the only way these ets arguments are going to cease is when the 'pro' brigade are willing to compromise in the areas of compulsion and time penalties. its great that people are able to accsess the sport due to ets and that finance packages are available (unikon now i believe )...but right is right and by the rpra 's own admission the timing of racing pigeons is less fair than it was 3 years ago.

[Roland]

;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Well would think most clubs looking at agms now so as all officials stand down from their posts you got an opportunity to vote in new officials that are willing to have ets and will be able to set it

Nochance of them standing down and getting others to take up posts... let alone one that means 'Work' of a Friday as to proping up the bar... Because ALL those willing to work are already on the comittee! But then I hope I'm wrong.

 

 

[OLDYELLOW]

 

with respect to rose & michael,you have not read my posts  correctly we the seven members accepted for membership were prepared to supply all equipment and manpower to do the ets marking and checking.

i am FULLY aquainted with the system,indeed members on here have been in touch with me for advice on its use,my point is that we were denied its use only because the officials of the club were against it & used the rpra rule which states that an QFFICIAL of the club must be competent in its use and be prepared to do the necessary work.

strictly on the wording of the rule it must be an OFFICIAL.

by the way rose i have had pigeons for over 40 years,always been a worker in clubs i have been in and am  and have been secretary of my local shu club for the last 3 years,during which time we have used the ets system.

it was only when some of the members applied to join a local rpra club that the problems highlighted surfaced.

also you might be thinking that i am new to this site,i am not,its just that my old pc packed in,i forgot password etc and re registered when i got my new pc using a different username.hope this clears up one or two points. thanks

 

If theres enough members willing to use it then form your own club job done then the fossils will have no members  

 

[Guest anto]

well said old yellow move with the times or be left behind theres 2 many dinosores holding clubs back

i know a lot of clubs couldent run without them but they shoud be teaching members the ins and outs

of runing a good club alot of these men wont take a back seat they dont have anything better 2 do there

retired and 2 much time on there hands i see it all the time they wont make way 4 younger members

theres 38 members in our club only 3 can set clocks theres only one member can do results on lap top

its not that the younger members dont want 2 learn a lot do they just get pushed aside its these fanciers

thats keeping ets out of dublin the sooner it gets in the better 4 all