Best all round birds

[mark]

any bird that busschaert took into his loft was a busschaert as far as he was concerned so realy no one knows for sure what a busschaert is

 

quote, no one knows for sure what a busschaert is its a pigeon that is still winning today a strain you can rely on.

[schyphos]

i think most familys now are all round pigeons,what you need to find is the best ones that will breed you winners,then theres the feeding and keeping up with there health,motivation and 100% dedication with them,thats the only way you will keep up with all the rest.

 

Les

 

Totally agree with Les' statement.Most families will win from 40-600+ miles.BUT the preparation and motivation need to be very different.

 

Jim

[Guest]

 

Totally agree with Les' statement.Most families will win from 40-600+ miles.BUT the preparation and motivation need to be very different.

 

Jim

 

Sorry beg to differ most will do 400 a lot 500 but when you get 550/700 the all rounders are rare. Though I appreciate there are some like AH Bennets Van Braunes that won and topped the Fed at 50 mile and won at 600+.

To clarify I'm talking about the birds that actually won a t 50 mile winning at 600, not different lines within the strain, not some that win at 40 in the strain and others in the starin that win at 600. Albert's Pau pigeons won at 50 mile too

[The Navigator]

I had a team of Krauths years ago that won from 60 to 600 miles.

 

Don't see many of them anymore. One hen won the fed from Taunton 60 miles , Marlborough 125 miles and twice Thurso 565 miles and only bird on the day. You dont get them like that very often.

[holroyd]

The days  have long gone when any pigeon man could get help from fellow  members would come to the asistans of other flyers there are still a few but most Ihave found to be selfish and afraid of the compertion the ones who will let you have pigeons usualy want more monies than birds are worth

                                                   Wingman

[jimmy white]

 

Sorry beg to differ most will do 400 a lot 500 but when you get 550/700 the all rounders are rare. Though I appreciate there are some like AH Bennets Van Braunes that won and topped the Fed at 50 mile and won at 600+.

To clarify I'm talking about the birds that actually won a t 50 mile winning at 600, not different lines within the strain, not some that win at 40 in the strain and others in the starin that win at 600. Albert's Pau pigeons won at 50 mile too

 

totaly agree, , but on hours on the wing , rather than distance , but in doing 550 miles/700 miles flying 16 hours in  a day takes a special kind of pigeon ,not many will do this , most of these winners are bred from these very same type,,  and these birds are  hard to come by

[schyphos]

 

Sorry beg to differ most will do 400 a lot 500 but when you get 550/700 the all rounders are rare. Though I appreciate there are some like AH Bennets Van Braunes that won and topped the Fed at 50 mile and won at 600+.

To clarify I'm talking about the birds that actually won a t 50 mile winning at 600, not different lines within the strain, not some that win at 40 in the strain and others in the starin that win at 600. Albert's Pau pigeons won at 50 mile too

 

Blimey!! how many races a year do you have at 550/700 miles.This is the reason they are rare.

[Guest kev d]

having lived in yorks all my life till ten years ago i got to know

some realy top class flyers who flew from 50miles to 500 miles  

i will name just two for now because the list is endless .

the first one is arnie and andy silverwood of ossett west yorks just out side

wakefield they still fly the old busshearts strain with top results in club and fed

god only knows what they would do if they set there stall out for nat,s racing but there not intrested

ive tried but failed , the other name everybody knows is pearson dransfield of barnsley who are big mates with

arnie and andy . if they lived on the south coast they would be house hold names top pigeon men with top class birds

[Guest]

having lived in yorks all my life till ten years ago i got to know

some realy top class flyers who flew from 50miles to 500 miles  

i will name just two for now because the list is endless .

the first one is arnie and andy silverwood of ossett west yorks just out side

wakefield they still fly the old busshearts strain with top results in club and fed

god only knows what they would do if they set there stall out for nat,s racing but there not intrested

ive tried but failed , the other name everybody knows is pearson dransfield of barnsley who are big mates with

arnie and andy . if they lived on the south coast they would be house hold names top pigeon men with top class birds

 

Well Kev they might  but racing 500 mile into Yorkshire is different than 500 mile into the sw, you would need a different pigeon. But there are all over the country fanciers that can win at 50 -500 not many get birds at 550/700

And I like you Kev flew in Yorkshire and will add it's more difficult to fly down here, as I think you've found out and I'm talking the 50 -500 miles

 

[bluey]

I would look for the top fancier in your area rather than a paticular strain name, i have high regard for a fancier in the North West he buys from the best regardless of strain names and improves them by crossing them.

 

I am positive he will give you a helping start if you want it, i will dig his email address out tomorrow and PM you it.

 

Send it to me too please.

[jacksafc]

Well Kev they might  but racing 500 mile into Yorkshire is different than 500 mile into the sw, you would need a different pigeon. But there are all over the country fanciers that can win at 50 -500 not many get birds at 550/700

And I like you Kev flew in Yorkshire and will add it's more difficult to fly down here, as I think you've found out and I'm talking the 50 -500 miles

 

Can i ask why its harder down there.

 

To get back to the topic both buschaerts and janssens win up here from 80 to 500 miles but the 500 is on the day or early second day, and agree 600 to 700 is a totally different animal.

[peterpau]

Go to a fancier that doesn't believe in strains but clocks a good 'un at the distance regular.

Tiz only us stupid brits that rely on names the continentals don't

[Guest]

Well Kev they might  but racing 500 mile into Yorkshire is different than 500 mile into the sw, you would need a different pigeon. But there are all over the country fanciers that can win at 50 -500 not many get birds at 550/700

And I like you Kev flew in Yorkshire and will add it's more difficult to fly down here, as I think you've found out and I'm talking the 50 -500 miles

 

Can i ask why its harder down there.

 

To get back to the topic both buschaerts and janssens win up here from 80 to 500 miles but the 500 is on the day or early second day, and agree 600 to 700 is a totally different animal.

 

I said more difficult. It is different flying in different parts of the country, when you fly on the east side of England the hawk problem is miniscule, The other thing is that the predominent wind is sw, so the birds have generally a tail wind. Down in Devon we fly inlnad east west so our winds are invariably flying into a headwind and across the likes of yourself and all the other feds heading north on a Saturday, Gt Yarmouth for example is a predominant headwind at 250 mile. The birds flying up the east are faster pigeons as a rule and don't adapt well as headwind birds down here. As to harder I didn't say that. There is no doubt the competition is stiffer in Barnsley big fed you'd have 5000 birds flying in on a saturday, because of numbers it's far more competitive, but when you have half a dozen percy pairs within a 6 mile radius of your loft and sparrowhawks in abundance and the dominant wind in  northern Europe is sw it is in my opinion far more difficult.

[Guest]

And just to add following on my previous post. I know a fancier who was top fancier in his club moved down from the east midlands to Devon. Brought his birds with him and bred out of them, could do nothing with them, losing most. He got rid of them and brought in birds from local fanciers. He is top flyer once again in his club here. Staying on thread that's why I think if you want all rounders 50 - 500 mile, you are better getting birds in from your locality , a top fancier who flies maybe 20/40 miles more than you on your line of flight. Obviously just my opinion.

[The Navigator]

 

I said more difficult. It is different flying in different parts of the country, when you fly on the east side of England the hawk problem is miniscule, The other thing is that the predominent wind is sw, so the birds have generally a tail wind. Down in Devon we fly inlnad east west so our winds are invariably flying into a headwind and across the likes of yourself and all the other feds heading north on a Saturday, Gt Yarmouth for example is a predominant headwind at 250 mile. The birds flying up the east are faster pigeons as a rule and don't adapt well as headwind birds down here. As to harder I didn't say that. There is no doubt the competition is stiffer in Barnsley big fed you'd have 5000 birds flying in on a saturday, because of numbers it's far more competitive, but when you have half a dozen percy pairs within a 6 mile radius of your loft and sparrowhawks in abundance and the dominant wind in  northern Europe is sw it is in my opinion far more difficult.

 

I could not agree more.

 

 

[Guest]

Hi can i ask you all in your opinion what are the best all round birds to invest in, Im looking to try and find some decent birds but not for silly money as i've been ripped off a lot in the past and not done very well in the past couple of seasons with them and you all seem honest people on here so would apprecaite your feedback. Thanks Mark

 

was it the birds :-/

[stiffler]

 

was it the birds :-/

 

yeah i believe it is the birds because we had a few birds we raced before we got the vanreets and we managed to win a few races and top fed a few times, since introducing the vanreets we've used the same system but gone from top of sheet every week to the bottom we've even tried different systems but with no success.

[Guest Owen]

The best way to start is as follows.

Buy from Entire Clearance Sales. You need a cock that has won several races. You need two hens minimum. It is best if the birds come from your home area and fly in the same sort of competition as you will.

Another very good place for birds is, the end of season sales from Single Loft Races. These birds have been very well trained and tested without fear or favour. Additionally, they represent the best birds that their Owners have.

 

When you breed use the Bull System and only rear from performance cocks. You can breed from hens that are related to performance cocks.

 

Fly your birds on widowhood, with a stocking rate of 1 bird to 1 cubic metre of air space, or better.

 

DO NOT BUY ANYTHING ELSE YOU COULD BE LUCKY BUT YOU WILL PROBABLY REGRET IT.  

[Guest asha]

What crap!

[Guest asha]

[mark]

The best way to start is as follows.

Buy from Entire Clearance Sales. You need a cock that has won several races. You need two hens minimum. It is best if the birds come from your home area and fly in the same sort of competition as you will.

Another very good place for birds is, the end of season sales from Single Loft Races. These birds have been very well trained and tested without fear or favour. Additionally, they represent the best birds that their Owners have.

 

When you breed use the Bull System and only rear from performance cocks. You can breed from hens that are related to performance cocks.

 

Fly your birds on widowhood, with a stocking rate of 1 bird to 1 cubic metre of air space, or better.

 

DO NOT BUY ANYTHING ELSE YOU COULD BE LUCKY BUT YOU WILL PROBABLY REGRET IT.  

 

i cant understand your last sentence. there are some gret flyers on here who sell or give birds away.

[Guest kev d]

hi albear how you keeping ok i hope , yes i agree with what your saying

ive found out the hard way what its like getting pigeons to come into the

west country its not easy . the point i made about silverwood and pearson and dransfield

yes they win from 50 to 500 miles and there happy just sticking to that kind of racing .

but if they changed there way of thinking and went down the classic and nat,s racing

there birds would do well even up to 700 miles

[Guest]

hi albear how you keeping ok i hope , yes i agree with what your saying

ive found out the hard way what its like getting pigeons to come into the

west country its not easy . the point i made about silverwood and pearson and dransfield

yes they win from 50 to 500 miles and there happy just sticking to that kind of racing .

but if they changed there way of thinking and went down the classic and nat,s racing

there birds would do well even up to 700 miles

 

Hiya Kev fine thanks, I think Pearson and Dransfield ar probably the fanciers that the person posting this thread should go to. Because they are complete allrounders in the respect that their birds are multi purpose (rare) and win nearly everywhere they,ve gone between 50 -500. But I met Frank (Pearson and Dransfeld) only two months back and he was telling me he is now aiming for the Nationals, it will be interesting to see whether he can get them from Tarbes (700 mile) especially now that he has other strains in  his loft.

[terry mccarthy]

ive tried most breeds and the one i still got and get week in and out are the vanreets they win from 65 to 500 plus

[Guest youngzimmy]

i think the days of bood cheep or even free birds are thin on the ground  alot of birds cost a fortune i often ask my self why are they so evpencive find a local flyer who is doing wel with his birds andevplain your dilema he may help you both in price and advice