distance pigeons

[OLDYELLOW]

whitechappel lofts  or whitechurch , unfortunately he passed away many years ago but i believe sons still running it , never head of him in years

[p charlton]

paul if its the same jack lovell im thinking of lived in colliers wood then top birds if anyone is looking for old strains like sion stassarts hanssene ameel or tommy buck then this man is the most likely to have them

oh happy days

no its MR.MRS P Lovell they race in shaffesbury a lot of the birds were blacks and black pieds

 

 

[Guest casbri]

if you want 500 to 700 milers you have got to have a lot of luck in pairing and breeding long distance birds .....then you have to wait to race them say 2 to 3 years.

[Guest cowboy]

asha if you cant say somthing comstructive when people are asking serios questions then just keep it shut that was well said youngzimmy . and you know what 2 do with the  cigar  >

[les]

if you were looking for distance pigeons to fly 500 miles plus races were what would you go for old british or continental birds

what i done 3 years ago was to study the results of the NFC distance races  ,and chose a consistant flyer at the distance ,i came up with JOHN PUDDEPHAT ,i got in touch had a long chat and liked what i was being told ,he has a inbred  old family of pigeons that perform at the distance ,i aquired some late breds to breed of ,then i got to know a very good local top distance flyer WILF REED and started to pick his brains and help when posible ,with out me asking he gave me 2 late breds from his very best ,so as you can see you dont have to spend a fortune to get started ,i have bred and given away some late bred  young birds from these pigeons to get 1 other person started ,and now im looking forward to this season to see how the birds i bred get on .if i was just starting out i would do the same thing again because the people that i have mentiond have put at least 40+years into these pigeons to get what they wanted ,and are very genuin people as well ,[would i know what i was geting from a stud or some foreign loft ]ATB les.

 

 

[joe61]

les you have done the right thing but i think studs in uk or abroad you would know what you were getting if you do the resurch but most people dont and thats the problem john puddepht (did he race as puddepht bros at some time} has spent 40 years taking out the bad traits and leaving the good traits which a lot of people dont see if as you say thay are inbread cross the two familys and they will explode good luck for 2009

 

oh happy days

[p charlton]

what i done 3 years ago was to study the results of the NFC distance races  ,and chose a consistant flyer at the distance ,i came up with JOHN PUDDEPHAT ,i got in touch had a long chat and liked what i was being told ,he has a inbred  old family of pigeons that perform at the distance ,i aquired some late breds to breed of ,then i got to know a very good local top distance flyer WILF REED and started to pick his brains and help when posible ,with out me asking he gave me 2 late breds from his very best ,so as you can see you dont have to spend a fortune to get started ,i have bred and given away some late bred  young birds from these pigeons to get 1 other person started ,and now im looking forward to this season to see how the birds i bred get on .if i was just starting out i would do the same thing again because the people that i have mentiond have put at least 40+years into these pigeons to get what they wanted ,and are very genuin people as well ,[would i know what i was geting from a stud or some foreign loft ]ATB les.

 

i found this if intrested

http://www.nationalflyingclub.co.uk/Bulletins/Johnp2003.asp

 

 

[jimmy white]

if you were looking for distance pigeons to fly 500 miles plus races were what would you go for old british or continental birds

 

brittish birds ,,,,over 500miles scottish  birds

[jimmy white]

i already have birds from Various strains that will do 500 miles to 726 miles

 

this i can vouch for, decent  chap with some cracking distance pigeons [and results ]

 

hope the electric cigar works ;D ;D ;D but have a feeling that  pushing   that car battery round in a wheel barrow  ;D may put paid to that ;D ;D ;D

[peterpau]

 

brittish birds ,,,,over 500miles scottish  birds

 

Can't agree more Scottish birds may have the biggest test in the world.

 

 

[les]

 

Can't agree more Scottish birds may have the biggest test in the world.

 

i thik you will find that the irish birds have the biggest test ,to channels from france ,but you cant take any thing away from the scotish birds they have to dodge more peregrins than any other pigeons .

 

 

[les]

i found this if intrested

http://www.nationalflyingclub.co.uk/Bulletins/Johnp2003.asp

 

thanks ,i have read it before  while doing my home work ,i am  on johns xmas card list now  

 

 

[Guest]

 

Can't agree more Scottish birds may have the biggest test in the world.

 

 

I think the birds to Cornwall have a stiffer test from 500 mile

[p charlton]

thanks ,i have read it before  while doing my home work ,i am  on johns xmas card list now  

 

i think i will be asking you for his number in a couple of weeks  

 

 

[thunderboult]

i think the scottish distance birds have one of the easiest routes into the uk and why i think this is because scottish birds get to cross the channel early in the day while they're still fresh and in good daylight and then are over land as they're getting tired and towards the end of the day so they can roost up if they want, were as a birds flying into ireland and the southern parts of the uk have to face the water late in the day when they're tired and with nowhere to roost up if they fall short.

[Guest]

i think the scottish distance birds have one of the easiest routes into the uk and why i think this is because scottish birds get to cross the channel early in the day while they're still fresh and in good daylight and then are over land as they're getting tired and towards the end of the day so they can roost up if they want, were as a birds flying into ireland and the southern parts of the uk have to face the water late in the day when they're tired and with nowhere to roost up if they fall short.

 

And the water cross is small 50 mile perhaps compared to 200 to the lizard (over 100 to where I am) and that's on a direct line  ... but don't take this wrong because whereever you fly 500 is 500 but what we are talking here is 'difficulty' not one group of fanciers being better, tougher etc.

[hotrod]

i think the scottish distance birds have one of the easiest routes into the uk and why i think this is because scottish birds get to cross the channel early in the day while they're still fresh and in good daylight and then are over land as they're getting tired and towards the end of the day so they can roost up if they want, were as a birds flying into ireland and the southern parts of the uk have to face the water late in the day when they're tired and with nowhere to roost up if they fall short.

what a lot of  crap, as some one else says 500 miles is 500miles no matter were you fly, as for ireland yes they have got to cross two stretches of water but most dont fly 500miles or just 500miles from their race points, the scottish birds fly 550 -650 miles  most of their races

 

 

[Guest]

i think the scottish distance birds have one of the easiest routes into the uk and why i think this is because scottish birds get to cross the channel early in the day while they're still fresh and in good daylight and then are over land as they're getting tired and towards the end of the day so they can roost up if they want, were as a birds flying into ireland and the southern parts of the uk have to face the water late in the day when they're tired and with nowhere to roost up if they fall short.

 

That is utter nonsense, what you are suggesting.I cannot even start to comprehend why you can come to such a conclusion,change your medication its making you delusional. ;D ;D ;D

[Darnaway]

I think that all birds that fly in excess of 500 miles have a hard job and that for each part of the United Kingdom there are factors which influence the degree  of dificuilty.

 

For Instance Scottish fanciers face the water at the start of the race ( agreed) but they then need to negotiate terrain( its Hilly up in Scotland) they then face the gauntlet of Percy and his mates ( agreed) then they have to face the good old weather ( ever had a look at Scotland on a Postcard ?) its always Raining or its cold ( even the dogs and cats wear jumpers)

[thunderboult]

what a lot of  crap, as some one else says 500 miles is 500miles no matter were you fly, as for ireland yes they have got to cross two stretches of water but most dont fly 500miles or just 500miles from their race points, the scottish birds fly 550 -650 miles  most of their races

 

 

if you think diffrent state it, don't just say it's a load of crap. i live in west wales and have races to over 750 mls . i'm stating what i think. at the end of the day our birds are having to cross water and scottish birds don't, so to me that's an easier way to finish.  

[thunderboult]

we have plenty of hawks down here in wales also and plenty of rain and mountains and valley's

[hotrod]

we have plenty of hawks down here in wales also and plenty of rain and mountains and valley's

 

hey buddy we know this but we dont say that you have it easy do we, as vince says  start taking the medication again

[Guest]

I think that all birds that fly in excess of 500 miles have a hard job and that for each part of the United Kingdom there are factors which influence the degree  of dificuilty.

 

 

Agree but I still think it more 'difficult' in to Cornwall, west wales and Ireland

[Guest Gareth Rankin]

I think that all birds that fly in excess of 500 miles have a hard job and that for each part of the United Kingdom there are factors which influence the degree  of dificuilty.

 

For Instance Scottish fanciers face the water at the start of the race ( agreed) but they then need to negotiate terrain( its Hilly up in Scotland) they then face the gauntlet of Percy and his mates ( agreed) then they have to face the good old weather ( ever had a look at Scotland on a Postcard ?) its always Raining or its cold ( even the dogs and cats wear jumpers)

 

Very true Darnaway, but it's not just the Hills/mountains of Scotland the pigeons have Cumbria to deal with as well. The last 130 miles into central Scotland from racing from France is a hazardous finish for the pigeons, they have many things to contend with blustery westerly winds, peregrines, they have already done 400+miles at this stage and if anyone has every driven through these vast range of hills of Cumbria and south Scotland at 1900 hours they will have noticed that it is generally very cold and resembles a dark dungeon because of the severe terrain.

 

Horses for courses as many has said in the past.

 

[thunderboult]

ok i take back the easiest part( i did'nt mean easy by it) but i still don't agree with what a few on here have said that the scottish birds have the toughest route. that's just my views, i'm not looking to offend anyone,least of all the scots as my gran is scottish and am proud of it.