Just a thought 500 mile Yearling challenge

[weecunny]

well hows about the yealing that flies the most miles in the season winner takes all

[Fife_pigeon_wife]

 

someone been talking about me !!!!!!!!!

 

read all about you on the lavy wall frank lol.   :)

 

[hotrod]

 

read all about you on the lavy wall frank lol.   :)

its on the lavy walls down here as well lol

 

 

[OLDYELLOW]

i think 400 to 500 miles maximum will include alot of members , more people intrested the better , i think if arranged early in to a format most want i think theres a need to have replacement birds due to hawks ectra unless entrys left to 1st of May then no replacement after ?

[weecunny]

well am oot replacements cheers anyway

[OLDYELLOW]

well am oot replacements cheers anyway

 

I said if arranged too early there would be a need to have replacements,  however if stated all entrys to be sent by the 1st of May then theres no need to have replacements  

[Guest]

 

read all about you on the lavy wall frank lol.   :)

 

only in top class lavies

[Guest]

if you made it 2nd week in may that would let fanciers see what is still there

[OLDYELLOW]

could make it 2nd friday in may as said im just collating ideas as a collective so we can get a platform that most want without excluding others  

[Guest]

2nd wk may no replacements 450mls + £5.00 per bird max 2 birds and independant judges sounds good to me

[jimmy white]

The only way to work out fairly would be on co-efficients -

the number of birds in the race and position of yours

whether its club fed combine or national

 

velocities are no good - unless its the same race point, same day

 

this would seem the fairest in my opinion,,but i think judges outwith the forum, should have the ultimate say,,

 

as a pigeon being say 6th out of 500 birds , be it club fed combine national,, then another being say 6th,, from the same amount of birds [highly unlikely would in fact be a draw,,

so creditable  judge or judges should be selected and agreed  by the forum,   that  would be able to determine the outright winner by taking into consideration, various facts ,i,e distance ,weather , time on wing , high vel,,,, low vel, etc etc.

but could be poss if ironed out

[Guest]

im in whatever you decide mark

if flying with a national will you be looking at section positions more than open ones

because we quite regularly up here you can be 1st section and about 200th open

or would you prefer if possible to use club and fed races / positions

 

dave

[OLDYELLOW]

i suppose the better the result and the more information thats supplied it can only help the Judge / judges to work out the best performance

[OLDYELLOW]

as im not on till tonight could all thats intrested put there longest 2 races on and ill devise a distance min to max that will be fair on all and then ill start a new thread once every detail has ben worked out , cheers Mark  

[Guest Vic]

What distance are we going to settle for?  No lower than 475m, Surely? They reckon the NW Combine are returning to the old race points, including Rennes and Nantes 435m to me and the week after Niort 504 m.  I thought the attraction was the thought of yearlings doing the business from 500 miles. Let's keep it long distance at least!  

[Guest]

got to agree vic even though it will prob put me out the races ive got are lillers 475 aprox and riems 575 or there about now i want to test my yearlings but not murder them

[Guest]

What if we have a 100 mile band width, anyone can enter as long as they enter their longest race between 470 and 570 miles so for example I have two races 472 and 565 I could only enter birds from the 565 race; if I had a 496 race  and a 580 race I could enter via the 496 race. The problem is where the fancier through no fault of her/his own cannot get 500.

 

As to the co efficient can you clarify redcheq if someone only sends in an organisation with a small birdage but put up an incredible prformance say 2nd and someone else was 2nd from a big birdage but a lanket finish, am I right in thinking the bigger birdage would equate to better co efficient even though the smaller birdage bird has put up a great performance? I've never worked with coefficients your guidance please

[hotrod]

What if we have a 100 mile band width, anyone can enter as long as they enter their longest race between 470 and 570 miles so for example I have two races 472 and 565 I could only enter birds from the 565 race; if I had a 496 race  and a 580 race I could enter via the 496 race. The problem is where the fancier through no fault of her/his own cannot get 500.

 

As to the co efficient can you clarify redcheq if someone only sends in an organisation with a small birdage but put up an incredible prformance say 2nd and someone else was 2nd from a big birdage but a lanket finish, am I right in thinking the bigger birdage would equate to better co efficient even though the smaller birdage bird has put up a great performance? I've never worked with coefficients your guidance please

  i agree albear you can only race with whats there to race against be it 500 birds or 5000 birds, an individual judge or gudges could look at all factoers ,ie flying into west coast in a west wind and winning a top prize, or flying in north with a northerly wind etc etc,i think you would have to apply to win this by entering your own write up on your birds performance with all factors included, but i disagree with putting a limit as to how far your yearling races if its 500 miles limit and your lucky enough to have a great performance from 520 miles surely you could'nt exclude these possible performances

 

 

[thunderboult]

i'll have a go, bergerac will be my racepiont 513mls.

[hotrod]

i'll have a go, bergerac will be my racepiont 513mls.

this is what i mean if there was a limit in distance your bird or birds would not be accepted if it was 400-500 miles max why put a limit on how far, but there must be a limit as to how short, some guys maybe send yearlings to 700 miles and if they were lucky enough to time one in good time it would be out not fair i think

 

 

[Guest]

what are you looking for say 450 and upwards

and nominate one you would normaly send to or feel your birds capable of

eg

fed race -eastbourne 456

nat race ypres 482

nat race falaise about 580 or 590

i would send a yearling to the first 2 but not falaise as i think

its a bit to far they are still not fully mature yet

 

[Guest asha]

It`s only a bit of fun,so if someone can only race just under 450miles ect,does it really matter,as long as whoever does the judgeingknows the game we all agree to keep quite.

               And i think after the season,everyone should be allowed to post up their story,how they strarted in pigeons,type or strain,methods,and conditioning the entrantes ,like in the studbooks,win or lose,would be intresting reading next autumn,with 1 person posting his writeup each friday night,and after we all read it,we can comment on it,even have a bit of the crac.

    

          

[Guest Vic]

It seems to Vic, that following Old Yellows  excellent suggestion to  have a 500 mile Yearling channel race, is getting a bit tecnical don't you think? Only pigeon fanciers can mess things up, before it gets off the ground.  I did mention in my first posting, that the dates of the races would  overlap, which could be  accounted for, by using an experienced pigeon fancier to sort out the best performer.  I also thought my proposed acceptance dates  for money and birds was right. Thus not allowing for replacements after the latter date. OK 475 miles onwards as far as you want, because the further they go, more brownie pts will be awarded Surely?  Let' not kill it by complicating the issue!    

[hotrod]

i agree with you vic ,if you had a bird that done particularly well at over 500 miles you would want it to be concidered would you not , and if it happened to be 650 miles then so what , it could be an easy 650 mile race ie blow home etc but should still be included not excluded

[just ask me]

im wont be entering staying at sprint i think for another year maybe i shouldn't comment

 

but i think what the birds should be evaluated on is any race over 450 mile even if the bird has 3 races over 450 mile only 1 result taken into consideration

of course the weather ie strength of wind and direction rain and so on

now results can be tricky take a national result u could have first 20 positions taken into one area we all have seen it while a man living 50 mile east lets say takes 21 national and there's not another bird in his area until 80 position well to me in most cases the bird with the 21 position probably is the bird of the day

of course the amount of birds in the race has to be considered and also the route the bird had to take to take

 

i just hope this doesn't get beaten down with technicals as  this a brilliant idea

 

maybe have a panel of 3 judges as to be fairer and more open

saying that i would be happy with any of the names put forward so far

jmo