Guest IB Posted February 27, 2009 Report Posted February 27, 2009 why so nasty, didnt hear you being nasty when you were eating his products and this has been about alot longer than your aware mate, so you should not cast aspertions and be so damn nasty, the guy has to deal with it the best he can. why are so many so bitter. thats whats wrong with the world oh happy days have a drummer.. ??) I'm not sure where you are coming from here; I am talking about the last outbreak and the attempt to blame pigeons for bringing the disease into the shed, when it was his Operations' basic lack of hygeine that allowed his workforce to spread the virus not just between sheds on the initial site, but between sites. The little that has been published on DEFRA website shows lessons still not learned, it's spread between sites again, no prizes for guessing how or why. And in case you've forgotten, Matthew's operation brought H5N1 into Britain from Hungary. Science proved the link, if not the actual method.
OLDYELLOW Posted February 27, 2009 Report Posted February 27, 2009 well last time was the influx of cheap im ports i think it was from Hungary should be home grown only
Guest bigda Posted February 27, 2009 Report Posted February 27, 2009 i think joe, you could eat a drummer sideyways no problem ;D or even a turkey leg ;D
alex wight Posted February 27, 2009 Report Posted February 27, 2009 The reason there is a bitter taste in most fanciers mouths, is the way it was hushed up the last time. The government are all to quick to point the finger at the pigeon world (because they are registered birds) therefore it looks good to the public. ie, bird flu in britain, lets show the public that we are doing something and ban all pigeon racing, and blame them for transferring it from place to place. What a load of bo****ks. Meanwhile mr business man pleads for help and gets 8 million quid, great. So now that the same place has it again, and bearing in mind the present credit climate we are in, do we again throw another 8 million, i dont bloody think so. Sorry to be harsh here but not sorry one little bit for someone who manipulates people, and in this case that is exactly what is happening. imao, alex. When the swan was found up in my neck of the woods i was to adhere to all restrictions WHY! Its a bloody shambles just like the rest of this so called GREAT Britain. Off my soap box now
Guest Vic Posted February 27, 2009 Report Posted February 27, 2009 Strange how it seems that the wealthier have a naturual righr eh! Top Brass in forces / their widows quickly paid out ... ground troops drawn out. Bankers etc. The layman has to get in a long line of pitfalls and put offs to achieve eh! Yes it's the rich... and poor take the blame'.... More like naow, carry the can and prop up the 'Haves'. Yes Roland. Wealth and Religion, No matter which! Have, and always will be, the ruination of mankind.
Roland Posted February 27, 2009 Report Posted February 27, 2009 I'm not sure where you are coming from here; I am talking about the last outbreak and the attempt to blame pigeons for bringing the disease into the shed, when it was his Operations' basic lack of hygeine that allowed his workforce to spread the virus not just between sheds on the initial site, but between sites. The little that has been published on DEFRA website shows lessons still not learned, it's spread between sites again, no prizes for guessing how or why. The above I,B, is Twaddle! You should know better! And in case you've forgotten, Matthew's operation brought H5N1 into Britain from Hungary. Science proved the link, if not the actual method. True, and further, never mind the £8 million crap, companies have to invest and keep investing which he would have done any way! Further again INSURANCE / Goverments coverthe complete costs and then some. Besides look at what he saved / made by not paying wages etc. and having no feeds to supply etc. Made a fortune in real terms, and like the F & M which was also brought into this country, it isn't, wasn't oat to do with hygiene ... Pigeons etc. and they never got slanted let alone blamed.
Guest IB Posted February 27, 2009 Report Posted February 27, 2009 Latest:- INFORMATION BULLETIN Ref: 42/09 Date: 27 February 2009 Nobel House, 17 Smith Square, London SW1P 3JR Avian influenza H6N1 confirmed at poultry premises in East Anglia Further laboratory tests following a routine veterinary investigation at two poultry premises in East Anglia have now confirmed that the avian influenza virus present is H6N1. The H6 virus type has been isolated in domestic poultry and wild birds in Europe over the last few years. Animal Health began the investigation late on Tuesday evening (24 February) and is waiting for further laboratory tests to determine whether the virus is high or low pathogenicity, and these results are not expected for some days. To date there is no evidence that avian influenza of the H6 type has been found to be highly pathogenic, but this possibility cannot be ruled out until the further laboratory tests are complete. Restrictions remain in place on the premises while the investigation continues. No further precautionary restrictions are considered necessary in the area at present.
Guest IB Posted February 27, 2009 Report Posted February 27, 2009 There's a lot still available from the 2007 outbreak on the web; I think this one shows that £600,000 compensation was really a drop in the ocean, because his sales dropped by nearly half right away. £8m was the sum the company were planning to spend on re-launching the Bernard Matthews Brand:- Bernard Matthews bets the farm Written by Business Weekly Monday, 25 June 2007 Norfolk turkey baron, Bernard Matthews has sought a refinancing deal from the Bank of Ireland to stem the tide of virulent losses from his poultry empire. Predictions have put the total amount of Matthews' personal fortune which could be gobbled up by the avian flu outbreak at Matthews' Holton farm at over £70m. A refinance deal with Bank of Ireland subsidiary, Burdale will see the future of the business secured against some of the company's 56 farms, including turkey stocks . Following the discovery of H5N1-infected birds in February, alleged to have been imported from one of the firm's Hungarian farms, UK turkey sales have plummeted by 40 per cent with recent figures supplied by the Norfolk company suggesting a 30 per cent deficit on the previous year. The news comes hot on the heels of reports of staff cruelty at the company's farm in Wreningham, where a contract worker was captured on film 'playing football' with turkeys. Matthews is building a history of animal rights infringements, as two workers were prosecuted last year for 'playing baseball' with company birds. After 160k birds were culled to prevent a mass outbreak of the Asian virus, Defra made a £600k compensation payment to the firm, amid mass criticism from MPs, despite the estimated £20m losses already made by the company as a result of lost sales and extra costs. Matthews cultivated the company from 20 eggs and a second-hand incubator into a multinational giant, which employs over 6k people worldwide and produced 7m turkeys and turned over £400m last year. BW understands that staff at Bernard Matthews have been consulted by management over redundancies, thought to be around 100, and pay and recruitment at the firm have been temporarily pegged while finances are restructured.
Guest spin cycle Posted February 27, 2009 Report Posted February 27, 2009 Off course he does, and will... easy money! Just like the F & M... they nearly got away with that again too last year till Gordon's lot told them 'No pay out, and some time could be served in prison' lol.... Didn't spread that time... seem they found the hole in a pipe up the road and plugged it... the 'hole in a pipe' was a 'government hole'....in a 'government pipe'.....from an establishment supposed to developing for f&m vaccines for worldwide use....in guess what a 'government lab'. which begs the question why we have to store these diseases. why not ,in f&ms case develop the vaccine in countries where its endemic. as to this bird flu outbreak...if it wasn't for the strain humans could catch (h5n1)...it probably wouldn't have made the news at all. there are bernard mathews farms all over norfolk ( one in village next to me ) so it is a worry for us fanciers. but not the worry it is for his workers...i just hope the firm can survive
Guest Posted February 27, 2009 Report Posted February 27, 2009 the 'hole in a pipe' was a 'government hole'....in a 'government pipe'.....from an establishment supposed to developing for f&m vaccines for worldwide use....in guess what a 'government lab'. which begs the question why we have to store these diseases. why not ,in f&ms case develop the vaccine in countries where its endemic. as to this bird flu outbreak...if it wasn't for the strain humans could catch (h5n1)...it probably wouldn't have made the news at all. there are bernard mathews farms all over norfolk ( one in village next to me ) so it is a worry for us fanciers. but not the worry it is for his workers...i just hope the firm can survive Im in the same boat as you mate, Ive got farms all around me here in Norfolk. And I agree it is a worry for the fanciers but if the firm goes under, this area will be like a grave yard.
Guest spin cycle Posted February 27, 2009 Report Posted February 27, 2009 Im in the same boat as you mate, Ive got farms all around me here in Norfolk. And I agree it is a worry for the fanciers but if the firm goes under, this area will be like a grave yard. i know bob...lets hope for the best
Guest IB Posted March 6, 2009 Report Posted March 6, 2009 All clear, as far as restrictions on pigeons are concerned. INFORMATION BULLETIN Ref: 50/09 Date: 5 March 2009 Nobel House, 17 Smith Square, London SW1P 3JR H6N1 low pathogenic Avian Influenza now confirmed at poultry premises in East Anglia Further laboratory tests have now confirmed that the H6N1 avian influenza virus present at two poultry premises in East Anglia is of low pathogenicity. This means that the routine restrictions put in place while the investigations were ongoing are no longer required and have now been lifted as the presence of a statutory notifiable disease has been ruled out. The H6 serotype of avian influenza virus has been found in wild birds in Europe as well as in poultry in previous years. However, to date, H6 has not been found to be highly pathogenic. It is important that poultry keepers remain vigilant by looking for any signs of disease in their birds. Any concerns should be reported immediately to their local vet or reported to the Animal Health Agency so that statutory notifiable disease can be ruled out promptly.
Guest spin cycle Posted March 6, 2009 Report Posted March 6, 2009 radio news is both farms back to normal
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