yb health

[just ask me]

sold few youngsters weaning age talk to him a week later he tells me he has done them for cancer worms respiratory i asked why he said he does all his young when they are weaned why would anyone do this

 

now i can understand why some people treat during racing weather that be right or wrong its not kinda the point im making surely at this young age its the time that the babies come across a few different things and there immune system is build up i would understand if a youngster was sick

 

but surely there is no need to treat for this at this age it just baffles me as i cant see any reason for doing this what does he gain

and just for reference i posted a pic of two young birds on this site they were of the same round they look well bred youngsters to me i'm just baffled

[Guest Freebird]

sold few youngsters weaning age talk to him a week later he tells me he has done them for cancer worms respiratory i asked why he said he does all his young when they are weaned why would anyone do this

 

now i can understand why some people treat during racing weather that be right or wrong its not kinda the point im making surely at this young age its the time that the babies come across a few different things and there immune system is build up i would understand if a youngster was sick

 

but surely there is no need to treat for this at this age it just baffles me as i cant see any reason for doing this what does he gain

and just for reference i posted a pic of two young birds on this site they were of the same round they look well bred youngsters to me i'm just baffled

I too am baffled by this action. Just goes to show how silly people can be. I think he is doing more harm than good. Let the youngsters build up their natural amunity to all the common ailments. It's his problem not yours mate.

 

 

[just ask me]

yep true there if we were to feed or kids antibiotics every time they got a sniffle where would we be

 

i asked why he done this he said his mate does it i said why does he do it to clean them out and he could see noting wrong with this comment don't think there was any point in telling him other wise

[terry mccarthy]

i treat allyoung birds for 3 days wen i buy in old birds for 5 days just cant be to carefull these days

[Guest Freebird]

i treat allyoung birds for 3 days wen i buy in old birds for 5 days just cant be to carefull these days

What, treat for everything?

 

 

[ribble]

With experience i would seriously consider treating any Y/Bs brought in from a different loft.

[just ask me]

what would u treat for

[NW USA]

Shooting yourself in the foot, compromising any chance to build a natural immunity and also building resistance to a drug you may actually need in the future. If its protecting your stock from the new additions, quarintine.

[Guest chrisss]

what would u treat for

 

not to sure i would treat for anything, they would not be in with my birds to start with,my birds have their germs and bugs "outside"birds from another set up have theirs ,i would always keep them apart for at least 7 days

[jimmy white]

sold few youngsters weaning age talk to him a week later he tells me he has done them for cancer worms respiratory i asked why he said he does all his young when they are weaned why would anyone do this

 

now i can understand why some people treat during racing weather that be right or wrong its not kinda the point im making surely at this young age its the time that the babies come across a few different things and there immune system is build up i would understand if a youngster was sick

 

but surely there is no need to treat for this at this age it just baffles me as i cant see any reason for doing this what does he gain

and just for reference i posted a pic of two young birds on this site they were of the same round they look well bred youngsters to me i'm just baffled

 

i can understand well what you are saying,,, and agree, ,

 

but can also  understand any young fancier getting birds from many different lofts, maybe worried that any underlying infections etc,,, could in fact, infect your ones , that,  on leaving your lofts were perfectly healthy!!! maybe best for novices to make sure that any new yb,s that they bring in , come from lofts they know to be clean and free from desease. such as your own,,,,,,,

 

if this  is not a novice and he/she does this as a regular habit,with all their own young  birds,  i would think these treatments would inhibit the yb,s immune system ,  and in my opinion most inadvisable

[Guest Freebird]

 

i can understand well what you are saying,,, and agree, ,

 

but can also  understand any young fancier getting birds from many different lofts, maybe worried that any underlying infections etc,,, could in fact, infect your ones , that,  on leaving your lofts were perfectly healthy!!! maybe best for novices to make sure that any new yb,s that they bring in , come from lofts they know to be clean and free from desease. such as your own,,,,,,,

 

if this  is not a novice and he/she does this as a regular habit,with all their own young  birds,  i would think these treatments would inhibit the yb,s immune system ,  and in my opinion most inadvisable

Spot on as usual Jimmy, how are you doing?

 

 

[just ask me]

there not a new starter by far i can understand people doing for para and the likes but would it not even be good for a youngster to get a little cancer im not talking about full blown out if u know what i mean surely this i how immunity is build up  and to treat for respiratory i cant really see the point in that at all

 

maybe im over reacting but where does it end a course of baytril when u wean them

 

i can understand people treat during racing season some agree some dont but i can see where they are coming from but surely a 20 day old pigeon treating for cancer and all is wrong

[jimmy white]

Spot on as usual Jimmy, how are you doing?

 

 

thank you free bird, , doing ok,, just wish the weather would improve ,,ahh well we can allways hope ;D

[Guest Freebird]

there not a new starter by far i can understand people doing for para and the likes but would it not even be good for a youngster to get a little cancer im not talking about full blown out if u know what i mean surely this i how immunity is build up  and to treat for respiratory i cant really see the point in that at all

 

maybe im over reacting but where does it end a course of baytril when u wean them

 

i can understand people treat during racing season some agree some dont but i can see where they are coming from but surely a 20 day old pigeon treating for cancer and all is wrong

I understand it is a good thing for youngsters to come into contact with canker as this develops an imunity in later life against the more potent forms. So suppose it is the same for all the more common ailments. I'm quoting from things read and not experience as I'm new to pigeons so not 100% sure of the facts.

 

 

[Guest Freebird]

 

thank you free bird, , doing ok,, just wish the weather would improve ,,ahh well we can allways hope ;D

Aye Jimmy it's cold tonight but at least it's dry. Summer time noo so we'll see.

 

(bunny)

[Guest IB]

I understand it is a good thing for youngsters to come into contact with canker as this develops an imunity in later life against the more potent forms. So suppose it is the same for all the more common ailments. I'm quoting from things read and not experience as I'm new to pigeons so not 100% sure of the facts.

 

Your thinking and grasp of the facts is 100%. Dr Leon Whitney published this in his book 'Keep your pigeons flying' over 40 years ago; Gordon Chalmers refers to the same thing in his current canker articles (The 'deadly' Jones Barns canker strain experiments).  Acts much in the same way as vaccination, exposed to small amounts, bird becomes immune to the disease. Applies to cocci too.

 

I don't treat YBs for anything. Found in the main, you then don't have to treat OBs for anything. Having said that, I do get them tested at the end of the season, after the moult. Found last year that I had a very high cocci count, but no disease. Vet was surprised that the birds weren't ill. Can't say I was, but wasn't happy with the high count. Have upped my hygiene to eliminate damp patches inside my doors, which I think may have been the cause of problem. If the organism - any organism - is dried out, then it dies. Dead stuff can't become infective.

 

I always quarantine new introductions for 7/10 days.

 

[wilkins]

since i introduced deep litter of hemicore and poultry powder(stanslon , may be spelt wrong) my test's have shown a very low cocci count against my previous routine of cleaning the floor daily or every other day,

i do however give my babies a canker tab at 25-30 days old, its something i have done for the last 5 years

and like terry posted i treat all new old birds for canker , cocci in a small shed 3 foot before they mix with any of mine

i use the same shed for any birds that go missing prior to putting themback in the main shed