strains of birds dont exist

[walterbmasson]

 

HOW CAN ANY FANCIER SAY THEY HAVE A STRAIN OF BIRDS THEY MENTION GABYS KUYPERS KIRKPATRICKS JANSEENS STAF VAN REETS WEGANS VANWANROYS BUSSCHARTSI BETTER STOP NOW OR I WILL BE GOING ON FOR A MONTH YOU GO INTO A LOFT TAKE A PEDIGREE OUT LOOK AT THE BREEDING OF THIS BIRD JUST A LOAD OF MIXED UP NAMES TO FILL IN THE SPACES TO MAKE IT LOOK GOOD THE FIRST TIME I WENT TO LOUELLASIT WAS IN 1973 SOLWAY KING WAS AT THE DOOR OF THE PREFAB LOCKED IN WITH 6 HENS MICHAEL TOLD US THIS COCK HAD MADE HIM  Â£6O .000' POUNDS AT THAT TIME AND LOCKED INTO A BULL BOX I THINK HE WAS 15YEARS OLD NOW THE REST OF HIS BIRDS WERE LIKE BROILER CHICKENS THERE WERE LOUVER 2RENE BIOZARDS DOUBLE TOP MISTY LADY I BOUGHT THEM DIRECT OFF THE CHAMPIONS AT THAT TIME BOB WHYTE WAS WITH ME I SAID IF YOU DONT TAKE THEM  DIRECT WHAT ARE WE GETTING I KNOW ITS CHANGED NOW BUT WHAT I AM SAYING WHY STRAINS THEY DONT EXIST THE MINUTE YOU GET BIRDS GIFTED  -BOUGHT  YOU START INTRUDICING BIRDS YOUR SELF SO ITS YOUR BIRDS I SOMETIME HAVE TO WONDER WHY PEOPLE GO ON ABOUT INBRED BIRDS   [FORGODSAKE ] I AM NOT VERY CLEVER BUT I WILL TELL EVERY ONE THAT KEEPS BIRDS MISSING NO ONE OUT WEVE ALL GOT THE SAME DOLLIE MIXTURES LONG DISTANCE BIRDS AND THE SAME STORY WITH SPRINTERS WITH MORE DOLLIE MIXTURES ADDED SO YOU KNOW WHAT YOUVE GOT IN TOUR LOFTS ALL ONE STRAIN[YOUR OWN DOLLIES]

[OLDYELLOW]

have to agree with you , all lofts keep birds that work for them and as for a strain there just the name of the previous owner , a good bird is a good bird but strains tend to sell better than individual performers , i have birds from a few familys most have had no introductions but i know if continued id loose anything worth keeping by keeping so called pure , so my plan after this years breeding is to blend the familys i have together into my own family of birds ill have some failures and hopefully some worth putting back in but i can still say my birds are from these familys a , b , c and have been blended into that of my own

[white logan]

HOW CAN ANY FANCIER SAY THEY HAVE A STRAIN OF BIRDS THEY MENTION GABYS KUYPERS KIRKPATRICKS JANSEENS STAF VAN REETS WEGANS VANWANROYS BUSSCHARTSI BETTER STOP NOW OR I WILL BE GOING ON FOR A MONTH YOU GO INTO A LOFT TAKE A PEDIGREE OUT LOOK AT THE BREEDING OF THIS BIRD JUST A LOAD OF MIXED UP NAMES TO FILL IN THE SPACES TO MAKE IT LOOK GOOD THE FIRST TIME I WENT TO LOUELLASIT WAS IN 1973 SOLWAY KING WAS AT THE DOOR OF THE PREFAB LOCKED IN WITH 6 HENS MICHAEL TOLD US THIS COCK HAD MADE HIM  Â£6O .000' POUNDS AT THAT TIME AND LOCKED INTO A BULL BOX I THINK HE WAS 15YEARS OLD NOW THE REST OF HIS BIRDS WERE LIKE BROILER CHICKENS THERE WERE LOUVER 2RENE BIOZARDS DOUBLE TOP MISTY LADY I BOUGHT THEM DIRECT OFF THE CHAMPIONS AT THAT TIME BOB WHYTE WAS WITH ME I SAID IF YOU DONT TAKE THEM  DIRECT WHAT ARE WE GETTING I KNOW ITS CHANGED NOW BUT WHAT I AM SAYING WHY STRAINS THEY DONT EXIST THE MINUTE YOU GET BIRDS GIFTED  -BOUGHT  YOU START INTRUDICING BIRDS YOUR SELF SO ITS YOUR BIRDS I SOMETIME HAVE TO WONDER WHY PEOPLE GO ON ABOUT INBRED BIRDS   [FORGODSAKE ] I AM NOT VERY CLEVER BUT I WILL TELL EVERY ONE THAT KEEPS BIRDS MISSING NO ONE OUT WEVE ALL GOT THE SAME DOLLIE MIXTURES LONG DISTANCE BIRDS AND THE SAME STORY WITH SPRINTERS WITH MORE DOLLIE MIXTURES ADDED SO YOU KNOW WHAT YOUVE GOT IN TOUR LOFTS ALL ONE STRAIN[YOUR OWN DOLLIES]

 

 

 

good on yer mate

                         dolly mixtures is the best way i have heard it put

 

[Guest TIMBARRA LOFTS]

I dont think strains exist as you put it, but colonys from fanciers who have concerntrated on breeding certain lines, family of birds maybe where all decendents are of a certain ancestry, I think the best way to put pure is pigeons of a certain ancestry bred through certain lines in common to be pure for the traits the family and keep the line intact as the birds are.

 

[walterbmasson]

 

 

  YES OLD YELLOW BUT LOOK AT THE COST NEW AND OLD FANCIERS HAVE TO FORK OUT FOR ABOUT 20 30 BIRDS  OUT OF OTHER LOFTS TO MAKE UP  THERE STRAIN JUST  TO GIVE IT A NAME AND THEN GIVE HIS OTHER BIRDS NAMES THAT HAS DONE ABSOLUTLY NOTHING JUST TO GET AS MUCH AS THEY CAN OUT OF FANCIERS THAT CANT AFFORD IT NO WONDER THIS SPORT IS DISAPEARING THERES A LOT OF DECIENT FANCIERS LEFT WHEN YOU SEE WHAT IS HAPPENING ON THIS SITE HELPING NEW STARTERS 8) 8)

[pjc]

 

  YES OLD YELLOW BUT LOOK AT THE COST NEW AND OLD FANCIERS HAVE TO FORK OUT FOR ABOUT 20 30 BIRDS  OUT OF OTHER LOFTS TO MAKE UP  THERE STRAIN JUST  TO GIVE IT A NAME AND THEN GIVE HIS OTHER BIRDS NAMES THAT HAS DONE ABSOLUTLY NOTHING JUST TO GET AS MUCH AS THEY CAN OUT OF FANCIERS THAT CANT AFFORD IT NO WONDER THIS SPORT IS DISAPEARING THERES A LOT OF DECIENT FANCIERS LEFT WHEN YOU SEE WHAT IS HAPPENING ON THIS SITE HELPING NEW STARTERS 8) 8)

 

 

Also they will always find the bird you want if the price is right!   ;)

 

[walterbmasson]

 

 

YES PJC AND THAT IS WITH OUT PAUL DANIELS

[greenlands]

I visit pigeon chat sites all over the World,every Country have the run of the mill breeds Van this Van that all basically coming from one fancier.There must be millions of so called paper pigeons.(walterbmasson) Good post mate.Lindsay

[blaz]

i beg to differ as my birds are not a bunch of dollies . mine are out and out MOUNGARALS . if birds are named after previous owner i have alot of birds from hector b brockelbank and h b fassh

[walterbmasson]

 

TIMBARRA ANCESTRY DOESENT EXIST EITHER JUST GO TO ANY LOFT THAT IS WINNING OUT OF TURN DISTANCE OR SPRINT ARE ALWAYS LOOKING FOR THE NEXT INTRODUCTION AS A CROSS ONLY LASTS A SHORT TIME NOW ALL SPRINT FAMILYS ORIGINATED FROM THE CONTINENT BEFORE SHIPPED TO BRITAIN ;YOU GET DAVE ALLEN AND A FEW MORE MONEY GRABBERS MAKING VIDEOS OFF THESE  SO CALLED PURE BREDS AND MEDICINES THERE USING WHY DONT THEY BE TRUTHFUL AND  SAY BOYS YOUR BEING RIPPED OFF BUY THESE RUBBISH MAKE SURE YOUR NOT FAR FROM A VET [ I CAN ASSURE YOU THEY ARE WELL AND TRULY CROSSED BEFORE THEY COME INTO THIS COUNTRY BELGIUM HOLLAND GERMANY FRENCH OTHER WISE DOLLIE  MIXTURES   :D

[Guest]

TIMBARRA ANCESTRY DOESENT EXIST EITHER JUST GO TO ANY LOFT THAT IS WINNING OUT OF TURN DISTANCE OR SPRINT ARE ALWAYS LOOKING FOR THE NEXT INTRODUCTION AS A CROSS ONLY LASTS A SHORT TIME NOW ALL SPRINT FAMILYS ORIGINATED FROM THE CONTINENT BEFORE SHIPPED TO BRITAIN ;YOU GET DAVE ALLEN AND A FEW MORE MONEY GRABBERS MAKING VIDEOS OFF THESE  SO CALLED PURE BREDS AND MEDICINES THERE USING WHY DONT THEY BE TRUTHFUL AND  SAY BOYS YOUR BEING RIPPED OFF BUY THESE RUBBISH MAKE SURE YOUR NOT FAR FROM A VET [ I CAN ASSURE YOU THEY ARE WELL AND TRULY CROSSED BEFORE THEY COME INTO THIS COUNTRY BELGIUM HOLLAND GERMANY FRENCH OTHER WISE DOLLIE  MIXTURES   :D

 

Hi Walter,

to be truthfull i think Spencer has a valid point in this instance. Everything has an ancestry, even if it isn't recorded. Whilst i take on board your comments on being ripped off by unscrupulous people with the latest super family from the continent, there are plenty birds brought in that are the business aswell. Surely we are intelligent enough to make up our own minds when purchasing new birds! The golden threads we all chase are few and far between, and can even be wasted on some fanciers, but when they are in the right hands, then that is when fortune smiles upon us. I do believe that once attained, the golden threads can be managed for years to maintain the bloodline. People like the Janssen Bros, their family came from about 5 different lines if i remember rightly, and they lasted decades and decades, only old age and death has prevented them from being maintained further in my opinion. Crosses are a necessity, as they provide hybrid vigour, but so is "managing" the golden thread when you get it. Very few can do it, and maybe that is why most cross out their birds all the time, hoping for the click, the nicking factor. Those that can manage it, maintain a high standard of performances for many years.

 

I believe in trying something new in each year. Probably because unlike the great Janssen Bros, i have not mastered the art, but that doesn't mean that a better man can't do it, or that it can't be done. Strains, no such thing, i agree. But bloodlines, ancestry, in my opinion, can be managed / maintained as Spencer puts it, although definately with the aid of crosses at some point.

 

Good interesting thread!

[white logan]

TIMBARRA ANCESTRY DOESENT EXIST EITHER JUST GO TO ANY LOFT THAT IS WINNING OUT OF TURN DISTANCE OR SPRINT ARE ALWAYS LOOKING FOR THE NEXT INTRODUCTION AS A CROSS ONLY LASTS A SHORT TIME NOW ALL SPRINT FAMILYS ORIGINATED FROM THE CONTINENT BEFORE SHIPPED TO BRITAIN ;YOU GET DAVE ALLEN AND A FEW MORE MONEY GRABBERS MAKING VIDEOS OFF THESE  SO CALLED PURE BREDS AND MEDICINES THERE USING WHY DONT THEY BE TRUTHFUL AND  SAY BOYS YOUR BEING RIPPED OFF BUY THESE RUBBISH MAKE SURE YOUR NOT FAR FROM A VET [ I CAN ASSURE YOU THEY ARE WELL AND TRULY CROSSED BEFORE THEY COME INTO THIS COUNTRY BELGIUM HOLLAND GERMANY FRENCH OTHER WISE DOLLIE  MIXTURES   :D

 

 

hey dont go insulting timbarra ancestry , he wants to make money from suckers , from e-bay sales , from his stud cats ,from his kittens ,from his pigeon , from his imports , i nominate him for the queens award for industry

 

[Guest big pete]

now now white logan you are straying off the thread, its about pigeons not cats and kittens  

[pjc]

thought it was about dolly mixtures!

[walterbmasson]

 

 

dave certainly if youve got good blood keep it as close as you can but you must agree how many fanciers find out they have a good breeding pair say before 5 to 6 years or older a lot of years have passed the best years ; how many janssen strains are there but davie janssen himself liked to cross his birds was janssen not 100 years old by god must be using a lot of dye to get any kind of bloodline and dont forget where did they come from before he got them more likely my bird 5 0 clock rock came grand mother came off a stray the father of storm queens SIRE WAS A STRAY and all the national winners that came off this family was crosses j bruce c fraser marriot rene boisard puttries a bruce halls vanhee davie rose stan biss ironside doddie ross and a bl---y lot more and every loft is the same but at no time did i say not to buy them if you like the name there selling them under go for it my self i will be looking for a long distance bird as long it does what i want and thats not rocket science but either way dave good racing 2009 cheers  8)

[leighton1984]

white logan before pulling some one else down have you seen his birds and have you met the man himself.

 

Cheers Leighton

[pjc]

if you have an aim, to win the national etc it doesn't matter what strain the birds are. You will blend birds together which carry the desired traits and eventualy develop the required type of bird to achieve your goal.

Most top winners are crosses and most who insist on maintaining bloodlines are only doing so for financial gain and not to produce top racers for themselves. IMO

[leighton1984]

its all about how good a stock man the flyer is.

 

[white logan]

white logan before pulling some one else down have you seen his birds and have you met the man himself.

 

Cheers Leighton

 

he wont invite me to his place  ;D

[pjc]

its all about how good a stock man the flyer is.

 

 

exactly, but the fancier can only test his stockmanship by racing his birds and not just playing with bits of paper as some do!

 

[OLDYELLOW]

if you have an aim, to win the national etc it doesn't matter what strain the birds are. You will blend birds together which carry the desired traits and eventualy develop the required type of bird to achieve your goal.

Most top winners are crosses and most who insist on maintaining bloodlines are only doing so for financial gain and not to produce top racers for themselves. IMO

 

spot on

[leighton1984]

results will come.

cheers and good night all pigeon basics members.  

[pjc]

your bed time already, night night

[OLDYELLOW]

your bed time already, night night

 

so night night it is far too early for me besides im supposed to not sleep at all if rumours are right   ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

[leighton1984]

good night