the old question

[jimmy white]

 

whos to say parents werent off a line of  fed winners   ;D ;D ;D ;D :D

 

they could well have been ;D ;D ;D,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,but lost by a bad manager ;D ;D ;D

[jimmy white]

 

Management to me means learning what make pigeons tick.

 

you mean the clock tells ;D ;D ;D

[just ask me]

Would have to be management 80% as the top class fanciers would not keep any crap,as they would identify the crap pretty sharpest and dispose of them.but on the other hand the average fancier would not have the experience or the vision to be so ruthless in selection,therefore lagging behind and achieving little in relation to the better fanciers.A good pigeon will only achieve its potential in the hands of the fancier with the appropriate management skills.

 

straight to the point and so true to get to the top selection has to be real hard for me i try not to have any favourites train them hard when they are young keep young cocks with top results (well for widowhood flyers ) and i like to put in one or two that there brothers have raced well they will in most cases pay u back  in saying that after a few year most of my cocks are down off the one pigeon in some way or another children or grandchildren over 85% of my cocks would have the lines of one hen

[Tony C]

 

you mean the clock tells ;D ;D ;D

 

lol yes you read them both.

[andrecrock]

Speeking of own experience......last year i spend only the necesary time in my loft and could only manage 14 th place in my club.This year with the same birds i have put the hours in and i was 2nd the 1st race and 3rd the 2nd.good birds will under perform with bad management no doubt....

[Guest]

Speeking of own experience......last year i spend only the necesary time in my loft and could only manage 14 th place in my club.This year with the same birds i have put the hours in and i was 2nd the 1st race and 3rd the 2nd.good birds will under perform with bad management no doubt....

 

Well done! Proves a good point

[just ask me]

Speeking of own experience......last year i spend only the necesary time in my loft and could only manage 14 th place in my club.This year with the same birds i have put the hours in and i was 2nd the 1st race and 3rd the 2nd.good birds will under perform with bad management no doubt....

 

i think the day and age of good birds performing week in week out under bad management is gone or did that ever happen i don't think so  the sport is really professional now weather people think its right or wrong its not the point racing is so competitive now the work has to be put in to achieve results no matter what strain or who's pigeons u buy some may need less work then others to get into top form bit u can be sure the top flyers in tour federation are working hard no doubt about that one

[Guest Grasshopper Lofts]

lots of good opinions again im learning alot from this one but i have another question sorry to hijak your thread jimmy  ;D ;D ;D

 

learning what makes your pigeons tick can any one explain this a little more

[weecunny]

I think good management is having a routine and sticking to it, understanding what makes your birds tick and understanding how and what to feed them to get the best out of them along with understanding how to motivate them.

 

agree there  think u spot on

[just ask me]

lots of good opinions again im learning alot from this one but i have another question sorry to hijak your thread jimmy  ;D ;D ;D

 

learning what makes your pigeons tick can any one explain this a little more

 

well hard to explain for me it comes with watching them  and seeing what makes them tick such as u might have a widow hood cock who doesn't like a cock being out side is box on ground well sometimes what i do is put something on the floor ie a a large size tub on the ground about 2 foot away from box so that when pigeon on tub hes eye level with pigeon on box he will go drive out of his box to knock pigeon off the tub also u put a a tub like this in the loft the cocks will fight like mad to be on  the top of it  its all about watching really

[Guest Grasshopper Lofts]

 

well hard to explain for me it comes with watching them  and seeing what makes them tick such as u might have a widow hood cock who doesn't like a cock being out side is box on ground well sometimes what i do is put something on the floor ie a a large size tub on the ground about 2 foot away from box so that when pigeon on tub hes eye level with pigeon on box he will go drive out of his box to knock pigeon off the tub also u put a a tub like this in the loft the cocks will fight like mad to be on  the top of it  its all about watching really

 

thanks for that good  stuff im making a note of all this

[Guest]

lots of good opinions again im learning alot from this one but i have another question sorry to hijak your thread jimmy  ;D ;D ;D

 

learning what makes your pigeons tick can any one explain this a little more

 

 

That's a cracker of a question, I was talking to Davy in Aberdeen today and he was saying that natural flyers are beating the widowhood guys. For natural flyers the essence of what makes a pigeon tick is to find the condition that best suits a pigeon so that it flies at it's best, it may not be nesting it mmay be even a trick with jealousy,but generally it is the driving/laying/sitting position. With some birds it may take many years to find the optimum position. The othe problem of course is hens lay eggs and often not when you want them too!

I have always believed whether at work or in the loft the simpler the better, that's why I prefer roundabout or widowhood, they are simple systems, where the bird is motivated every week by the same base stimulation, sure some will not respond but that's perhaps where the selection process comes in,

What's the difference between two managers operating the same management system, from identical lofts where one wins from 4,000 pigeons and the other is 6th club? The pigeon! Which comes back to the original question.

[just ask me]

 

thanks for that good  stuff im making a note of all this

 

thw w,hood cocks thread good too jimmy is telling all not leaving anything out take a look

[Guest Grasshopper Lofts]

 

 

That's a cracker of a question, I was talking to Davy in Aberdeen today and he was saying that natural flyers are beating the widowhood guys. For natural flyers the essence of what makes a pigeon tick is to find the condition that best suits a pigeon so that it flies at it's best, it may not be nesting it mmay be even a trick with jealousy,but generally it is the driving/laying/sitting position. With some birds it may take many years to find the optimum position. The othe problem of course is hens lay eggs and often not when you want them too!

I have always believed whether at work or in the loft the simpler the better, that's why I prefer roundabout or widowhood, they are simple systems, where the bird is motivated every week by the same base stimulation, sure some will not respond but that's perhaps where the selection process comes in,

What's the difference between two managers operating the same management system, from identical lofts where one wins from 4,000 pigeons and the other is 6th club? The pigeon! Which comes back to the original question.

 

thanks just the way i like things to the point and explained very well.

[Guest Grasshopper Lofts]

 

thw w,hood cocks thread good too jimmy is telling all not leaving anything out take a look

 

im on that to lol jimmys on the ball tonight  ;D ;D ;D ;D

[Guest]

For me it has to be what i have seen quoted in a earlier post.ROUTINE ROUTINE ROUTINE. ;) ;D ;D ;D

[jimmy white]

lots of good opinions again im learning alot from this one but i have another question sorry to hijak your thread jimmy  ;D ;D ;D

 

learning what makes your pigeons tick can any one explain this a little more

 

thisis getting difficult now ;D ;D ;D,, but i think ,,,just ask me ,, is near to the point,, i think myself , observation, watching every move every different pigeon makes, studying them in detail, to me, every bird is an individual, they all have different fads and fancies,,, i,e mates,, different feedings , some like this, some like that,their all different,, just a for instance had a bird won quite a few races , i think some members may remember this bird ,,, the lampost cock ;D  whenever this bird became super fit,, hed land on the lampost, turn around with wings allmost out , cooing , eying every thing in the sky, if a pigeon appeared a distance away,,,,he was off, back in 10 mins   he was ready to pool then,,but never b4 that ;D,,strange but true

[OLDYELLOW]

some birds claim drinkers traps corners of loft ectra observation is key for form and ailments and different erratic behaviour

[DAVIDL]

 

 

  50% management...50%pigeon.

[Tony C]

Pigeons/animals lead simple life’s, well that is until you study them ;D. We the fancier control when they eat, drink, rest and procreate, the four main things they live for, withhold any of these and they let you know about it. Get them into a routine, when you exercise when you feed etc they start to tell you when the time for these things are. To me 'what makes them tick' is tapping into these things (eat, drink, rest and procreate) and trying to understand what they're trying to tell you. By studying them individually you can evaluate a pigeon better than any eye sign or by handling the pigeon or by the conformity of its body. I look for their character, I've found the more the character the better the pigeon. The characteristic I like best in a pigeon is the one where they're studying me, look for them they're there.

[Guest]

Pigeons/animals lead simple life’s, well that is until you study them ;D. We the fancier control when they eat, drink, rest and procreate, the four main things they live for, withhold any of these and they let you know about it. Get them into a routine, when you exercise when you feed etc they start to tell you when the time for these things are. To me 'what makes them tick' is tapping into these things (eat, drink, rest and procreate) and trying to understand what they're trying to tell you. By studying them individually you can evaluate a pigeon better than any eye sign or by handling the pigeon or by the conformity of its body. I look for their character, I've found the more the character the better the pigeon. The characteristic I like best in a pigeon is the one where they're studying me, look for them they're there.

 

Throws up another question Tony what's character, many a strong silent type has lots of chaaracter, you only find out when the chips are down though, my best long distance pigeon is very quiet, always in his box but none of the others ever mess with him, it's as if they know he's not for messing.

[Tony C]

I think I can best way I can define character in a pigeon is that they know exactly whats going on around them.