Aged Stock Birds Be Aware

[Guest]

show me a champion winning pigeon with a bad eye

 

Depends what you call a bad eye? I have picked out using the eye some magnificent breeders (and racers) with what the eye sign men would call 'ordinary' eyes.

[hotrod]

 

Depends what you call a bad eye? I have picked out using the eye some magnificent breeders (and racers) with what the eye sign men would call 'ordinary' eyes.

 

i would agree that there is something in the eyes but not what some look for .i like to see something in the eye's but will not say what it is as i cant really explain it , i would need to show you

[just ask me]

ive said before about eyes that it does work i did own  a pair that every egg was like gold and i mean that a top eye sign man in the world was in the area the cock and hen were out in two different baskets among other birds a friend took them for me he said there lots of birds there he first picked out the cock and put him to one side he then went though another 100 birds or so and picked out the hen hard to belive i know but true he only put i think 4 birds to one side that and said with the cock and hen if bred together they would throw winners one after another what he did not know they were a pair and were throwing winners to every level he commented in all his days he rarely seen a pair like it there was some money offered that day

 

all im saying is that day proved to me that there was something in it if u know what u were looking at ive had so many so called eye experts pass these two birds without much comment and a top man picked them out from 100s

 

[jimmy white]

 

No but there's still plenty that can fill their eggs ;D ;D

 

if  they  get the chance to ;D ;D ;D

  

in my opinion, the old adage" the basket tells",, allthough right,,, to a certain extent only,,,,can sometimes be mis-leading, ,, it dismays me when i see fanciers , blaming their pigeons , when , in fact it could be them!!!  that is at fault,..., manegement, in my opinion, goes a long way, and knowing when to put the bird in the basket, is probably more to the point,,

[mark]

i dont care how old the birds are as long as they breed the goods ,i have at stock just now 8 pairs ,i have   cocks  2 x 13 year olds, a 12 yr  old ,a 10yr old,2 x 7yr olds,a 5 yr old, and a 3yr old-----hens  i have a 13yr old , a 10 yr old, a 9yr old, 2 x 7yr olds, a 5 yr old ,a 3 yr old and a yearling , so will i not breed any winners this year ?

 

good blood will also tell.

[Guest]

 

if  they  get the chance to ;D ;D ;D

  

in my opinion, the old adage" the basket tells",, allthough right,,, to a certain extent only,,,,can sometimes be mis-leading, ,, it dismays me when i see fanciers , blaming their pigeons , when , in fact it could be them!!!  that is at fault,..., manegement, in my opinion, goes a long way, and knowing when to put the bird in the basket, is probably more to the point,,

 

Yes Jimmy, don't disagree with you. But my point is how can the basket tellyou ..... you have a bird for example that wins the fed 4 times by the end of its yearling season, how does this prove this pigeon is going to breed. There are only two ways to put a pre potent pair together a) pure luck and rarely, the ability to be able to select champion breeders by whatever method the stockman has found. The adage that winners breed winners is true in some instances but more often is a failed principal, often it is the brother/sister that will be lost from the first toss that is the pre potent breeder, often the fantastic breeder can't race for toffee and conversley the champion racer breeds duffers! Not a set rule but  the exception often proves it.

[andrew gooch]

Does any member out there no of anyone selling a pre-potent pair which are churning out winner after winner let us know. ;)

 

hello my originall birds was direct bread birds,which i obtained at the age of 10 years thay were not burnt out,bread many champs before i got them and many champs after in fact,have results up to 2008 which would make your eys water best 1 day perfomance i would say 10 entrys 10 in the 1st 20 in the fed all bread from old stock, the most famous being magic blue un beatable at nat level, his sire was 15 his dam 10,like i tryed to explain its how thay have been treated,and yes thay would be 4 sale at the right price,give me my oldies against any yearlin 2yearold at stock any day.

[Guest IB]

 

Yes Jimmy, don't disagree with you. But my point is how can the basket tellyou ..... you have a bird for example that wins the fed 4 times by the end of its yearling season, how does this prove this pigeon is going to breed. There are only two ways to put a pre potent pair together a) pure luck and rarely, the ability to be able to select champion breeders by whatever method the stockman has found. The adage that winners breed winners is true in some instances but more often is a failed principal, often it is the brother/sister that will be lost from the first toss that is the pre potent breeder, often the fantastic breeder can't race for toffee and conversley the champion racer breeds duffers! Not a set rule but  the exception often proves it.

 

I raised these points in previous posts, on this thread and others.

 

On here, discovering you have a very useful racer only to find that you'd lost one or both parents in the race basket; and elsewhere - if you have a pigeon that is scoring well, then the way to breed more, is to breed more like it, i.e. off the birds that bred it. (Not my words, those of Alfons Anker, Hungarian pigeon fancier, and geneticist.)  

[Dazza72]

Does any member out there no of anyone selling a pre-potent pair which are churning out winner after winner let us know. ;)

 

budgie I have two pairs in the stock loft that so far have bred winners every year without fail and all the birds are 8 years old, would I sell them? No chance!!

[jimmy white]

 

Yes Jimmy, don't disagree with you. But my point is how can the basket tellyou ..... you have a bird for example that wins the fed 4 times by the end of its yearling season, how does this prove this pigeon is going to breed. There are only two ways to put a pre potent pair together a) pure luck and rarely, the ability to be able to select champion breeders by whatever method the stockman has found. The adage that winners breed winners is true in some instances but more often is a failed principal, often it is the brother/sister that will be lost from the first toss that is the pre potent breeder, often the fantastic breeder can't race for toffee and conversley the champion racer breeds duffers! Not a set rule but  the exception often proves it.

 

yes, i do agree with you albear,, i think maybe ive not explained myself very well, the point i was trying to make was that there are many fanciers, blaming the pigeons to be at fault, when in fact it is the fanciers who are at fault,,,, i,e  sending a well bred pigeon , when not nearly right,,  losing it ,  then blaming the pigeon!!   this, i think would come under loft management,, i,e for racing

 

but in the breeding aspect, i would say comes under stockmanship,,or stock  sense ,, i completely agree with you on this,, just because a bird is bred from two nat winners  [we will say] certainly doesnt mean that the progeny will be any good at all for racing, but the offspring will still contain this blood , therefore by selectively breeding may be possible to produce birds to win , but again agreeing with you, there is a big element of trial and error [more often error ]  the old adage comes to mind,, racing is silver,, but breeding is gold     [easier said than done ]

[Guest numpty01]

what do members think is a fair price for an older stock bird ? , when u see some of the add s about  for these birds  it does  feel like a lot of ££££   , tractorboy

 

850 for 12 year old daughter james bond to go with her brother  result nothing but rubbish

[Guest]

 

850 for 12 year old daughter james bond to go with her brother  result nothing but rubbish

 

What a sickner, you'd be better off taking me to Louella with you for that sort of money and I'd pick you a pair to breed winners in every nest!

[Guest numpty01]

well that was pointed out to me at the time but as i owned son and i thought it good idea to obtain daughter i bought her anyway we live and learn ;D ;D ;D

[Guest numpty01]

i also owned son of rainstorm but he was crap as well

[just ask me]

what age u but them at

[Guest numpty01]

the son rainstorm was 9 when bought and 13 when retired due toneck problems son james bond was 8 he also suffered neck prob at 13 as did the hen

[just ask me]

i wouldn't normally buy that old mate as well tried and most pll don't get neck problems they try to get there money back  :-/

 

i stick to young ones or yearlings there not tried so owner does not know how good or bad they are i know they are more expensive but id take the risk on buying maybe a young inbred granddaughter or grandson that not tryed  jmo :-/

[Guest numpty01]

i wouldn't normally buy that old mate as well tried and most pll don't get neck problems they try to get there money back  :-/

 

i stick to young ones or yearlings there not tried so owner does not know how good or bad they are i know they are more expensive but id take the risk on buying maybe a young inbred granddaughter or grandson that not tryed  jmo :-/

yes and thats why they were not able to recover from neck prob as i wont pass on rubbish i learnt hard way and now will only buy in up to 6years old from good flyers or sales nowere else and that is why i will never beleave others when they say bred this that on here or they would not be for sale

 

 

[just ask me]

yes and thats why they were not able to recover from neck prob as i wont pass on rubbish i learnt hard way and now will only buy in up to 6years old from good flyers or sales nowere else and that is why i will never beleave others when they say bred this that on here or they would not be for sale

 

 

even at 6 mate there well tryed think about it u have 6 7 year old bird throwing the goods u wouldent be too quick too sell him jmo i stick to babies or yearlings where possibe they have no breeding record and it is a chance i know but the owner does not know either jmo

[Guest numpty01]

yes i agree but bereavement sales you get some good birds cheap or in my case get told that fancier has died and get pick of birds  now not everyone has this to rely on so yes buy birds that are unproven then you may end up with star it can be done i agree fully right im for bed nice chat night mate

[Runt3]

Your going to BED numpty01

I am having lunch

[Guest numpty01]

now youer in bed and im haveing breckfast after doing birds ;D ;D ;D

[Ronnie]

Lol each to there own.I would just buy what i liked  i would just pair them to a yearling be it hen or cock .

[Guest TIMBARRA LOFTS]

nothing wrong with an old bird ;D ;D

[BLACK W F]

I JUST SELL THEM WHEN NOT FILLING EGGS