wnr fed @ newbury

[REDCHEQHEN]

Well lads, I have to say that I am disappointed in what you say. You know as well as I do that if birds are carrying food in their crops they will bring it up. You also know that if they bring it up the others will eat it.

In addition to the above you are well aware that young bird sickness is rife in a great many lofts. You also know that there are a lot of lofts who suffer with Paratyphoid. And canker, cocci and worms are common.

I have a microscope and I see an awful lot of this type of thing. And often, I see infections in birds from very dedicated Fanciers.

All I have pointed out is what I think is common sense. The Fanciers that have fed their birds have gained nothing because the birds sick it up. The Fanciers who have been responsible and not fed their birds have everything to loose.

And yes it would be a nice idea to fit mesh floors to the crates, but I can't see that being done. Can you?

In regard to the legalities of this, yes you are right, as yet we can not force the issue. But surely it would be worth all our whiles to try to eliminate a severe source of infection for our birds. Do you know, that we have not got to the stage where the crates are washed and distinfected after each use as yet. And how many Clubs use distinfectant in their drinkers?

Every year we are consigning large numbers of young pigeons to the roadsides and streets of our towns and cities. Then we complain about the losses. I am not saying that this one thing will eliminate the losses but it will at least make a positive contribution towards it.

 

I'm surprised at this - it is a DEFRA rule

all baskets in our club are cleaned and disinfected every week

[pjc]

 

I'm surprised at this - it is a DEFRA rule

all baskets in our club are cleaned and disinfected every week

 

As normal this should be done as you say but in reality how many do!

Many don't even bother to change the paper or shavings but are quick to blame others if they get a problem!

[Guest strapper]

i feed my birds around mid day but deffinately by 1pm...we basket in our club around 5pm.

i would say most that feed later are ones that work and finnish say 4-4.30.then feed their birds b4 taking them down the club.

its the only way they can feed the birds .

there are many lofts thats affected with diseases and many top ones too..without even knowing they are.

the times ive visited graeme smith (usk vet) and found top fanciers in there with faces like a ripped dap saying how they are shocked at what they have found in their birds.

you dont have to have a dirty loft to have diseases...there are many clean ones too

but going back to club baskets..you only have your fellow club m8 to trust...wether his/her birds are healthy...1 fancier in our club had sickness and hasnt sent for over 2 weeks..even though his birds are over it...this is what we try to achieve ...caring about your club m8s birds .

 

 

 

 

[Guest Owen]

strapper

you have not addressed the point I made. If the birds have food in them they will have it up. You are experienced enough to know that it happens on training tosses and it definately happens in the race panniers. So, my point is, what is the purpose of offering pigeons food if they are going to disgorge it in the crates. The business of people working, to my mind, is a red herring. And it gets worse when the Fancier concerned, feeds his/her birds on heavy food such as beans and peas. These grains are always the first to come up. At least if someone feels they have to feed, let it be something light to give the birds a chance.  But the fact is still the same, pigeons will throw up corn into filthy crates for yours and mine to eat.

Redcheqhen,

of course you are right. But as I mentioned earlier, how many Fanciers wing stamp properly, which is something we can easily see? You can be sure that if they can get away with something as easily seen as a wing stamp, no-one will be checking whether the crates are distinfected or not. I think that the crates should be distinfected with a viricide and the drinkers should be done in the same way.

I am glad we are able to have this debate because these things should be addressed. The situation regarding losses and health issues has become far too serious to allow this sort of thing to go on. We rank and file Fanciers have to exercise our democratic rights and prevent things from getting any more out of hand.  

[pjc]

not all birds bring up food in the basket!

It depends how much they have in them etc

[stantheman]

given the choice I would sooner pay a bit extra and have my own crates on the fed wagon with just my birds in and if everyone else wants theirs in with each others thats fine, i think if we adopted this system it would catch on and less disease will be spread, its crazy that someone can have birds ill this week then same fancier can put his birds in with everyone elses the next , look at the one loft races they have had all sorts of problems due to mixing birds from all over the place, in fact i am going to make a proposal for our fed next year that members will be allowed to pay for their own crates on the wagon

[pjc]

given the choice I would sooner pay a bit extra and have my own crates on the fed wagon with just my birds in and if everyone else wants theirs in with each others thats fine, i think if we adopted this system it would catch on and less disease will be spread, its crazy that someone can have birds ill this week then same fancier can put his birds in with everyone elses the next , look at the one loft races they have had all sorts of problems due to mixing birds from all over the place, in fact i am going to make a proposal for our fed next year that members will be allowed to pay for their own crates on the wagon

 

Paying for crates is a good idea if you send enough to fill it! Many feds won't have the capacity to carry crates with 10 birds in it.

If it was permitted and you filled a crate you should also be permitted to clean/dissinfect the crate prior to use if required.

[PIGEON_MAN]

strapper

you have not addressed the point I made. If the birds have food in them they will have it up. You are experienced enough to know that it happens on training tosses and it definately happens in the race panniers. So, my point is, what is the purpose of offering pigeons food if they are going to disgorge it in the crates. The business of people working, to my mind, is a red herring. And it gets worse when the Fancier concerned, feeds his/her birds on heavy food such as beans and peas. These grains are always the first to come up. At least if someone feels they have to feed, let it be something light to give the birds a chance.  But the fact is still the same, pigeons will throw up corn into filthy crates for yours and mine to eat.

Redcheqhen,

of course you are right. But as I mentioned earlier, how many Fanciers wing stamp properly, which is something we can easily see? You can be sure that if they can get away with something as easily seen as a wing stamp, no-one will be checking whether the crates are distinfected or not. I think that the crates should be distinfected with a viricide and the drinkers should be done in the same way.

I am glad we are able to have this debate because these things should be addressed. The situation regarding losses and health issues has become far too serious to allow this sort of thing to go on. We rank and file Fanciers have to exercise our democratic rights and prevent things from getting any more out of hand.  

 

Just a thought Owen were you not the main one last week who was moaning about bad returns,perhaps if you fed them on a Friday they would have the fuel to get back from a difficult race,we have grilles in our crates and I can assure you there is not loads of food under them when we get them back,I have seen birds basketed with food in their crops as big as a tennis ball and still win the race the next day.

[kevgrind]

WNR FED boys our birds are not liberated on the race course so those darn gee gees wont affect us tomorrow  thank God.

[wayne51]

perhaps we need a vet at every club. get real.

[holmsidelofts]

 

Just a thought Owen were you not the main one last week who was moaning about bad returns,perhaps if you fed them on a Friday they would have the fuel to get back from a difficult race,we have grilles in our crates and I can assure you there is not loads of food under them when we get them back,I have seen birds basketed with food in their crops as big as a tennis ball and still win the race the next day.

 

That has nothing to do with the poor returns last week. I know owens birds well and that would not have made a blind bit of difference. I never feed my birds after 1pm on basketing day and that has nothing to do with the losses, clashing was definately the cause last week.

 

It just amazes me that people who call themselves pigeon fanciers cant see what they are doing by feeding late on the day of basketing, you are adding to the issue of youngbird sickness. Dont take my word for it ask any avian vet and they will tell you the same. By the time your birds are on the move that corn you fed them will no long be in them they will have sicked it up and it will be eaten by everyone else, so they will be just as hungry as everyone else but will have passed on any diseases that they are carrying to others in the basket.

 

I too would be happy to have all my birds in a pannier on there own if i was allowed, that way i know my birds would be safe from the fanciers who have no idea on pigeon health. Read colin walkers book on pigeon health and management and you'll be amazed at what you guys are doing to your birds.

[holmsidelofts]

perhaps we need a vet at every club. get real.

 

In austrailia they have an appointed person in every club who is trained on pigeon health that has the final say on if a bird goes in the basket or not, we are years behind the aussie who take the welfare of the birds seriously, its time we did also before this sport we love no longer exists because of either disease or we are stopped racing altogether by defra.

Its not about GETTING real as you put it its about the welfare of the birds and nothing else.

[wayne51]

i beleave that some fanciers are puting all their birds in one pannier thats how they are getting multible drops  some weeks it will work  some weeks not.

[PIGEON_MAN]

 

That has nothing to do with the poor returns last week. I know owens birds well and that would not have made a blind bit of difference. I never feed my birds after 1pm on basketing day and that has nothing to do with the losses, clashing was definately the cause last week.

 

It just amazes me that people who call themselves pigeon fanciers cant see what they are doing by feeding late on the day of basketing, you are adding to the issue of youngbird sickness. Dont take my word for it ask any avian vet and they will tell you the same. By the time your birds are on the move that corn you fed them will no long be in them they will have sicked it up and it will be eaten by everyone else, so they will be just as hungry as everyone else but will have passed on any diseases that they are carrying to others in the basket.

 

I too would be happy to have all my birds in a pannier on there own if i was allowed, that way i know my birds would be safe from the fanciers who have no idea on pigeon health. Read colin walkers book on pigeon health and management and you'll be amazed at what you guys are doing to your birds.

 

I,m sorry but the actual feeding of birds late on a basketing day never came into it as  far as I,m concerned,I think that Owen said that any feeding was wrong and I,m sorry but my birds would NEVER go to a race without being fed on basketing day,especially  yuongsters

[holmsidelofts]

 

I,m sorry but the actual feeding of birds late on a basketing day never came into it as  far as I,m concerned,I think that Owen said that any feeding was wrong and I,m sorry but my birds would NEVER go to a race without being fed on basketing day,especially  yuongsters

 

No he never said you shouldnt feed them on basketing day he said they shouldnt go into the race basket with corn in them, I have put through others birds with that much corn in them they could not stand, what owen is saying is yes feed them on basketing day but feed them in the morning so as when they go to the club they would have digested most of it, feeding before they go to the club is irrisponsible and causes lots of issues.

[holmsidelofts]

i beleave that some fanciers are puting all their birds in one pannier thats how they are getting multible drops  some weeks it will work  some weeks not.

 

Putting birds into one pannier has no advantage at all regarding winning or getting more birds, they all leave the transporter at the same time and all set off in the same direction, its good birds that win not where they are on the transporter.

[PIGEON_MAN]

Well lads, I have to say that I am disappointed in what you say. You know as well as I do that if birds are carrying food in their crops they will bring it up. You also know that if they bring it up the others will eat it.

In addition to the above you are well aware that young bird sickness is rife in a great many lofts. You also know that there are a lot of lofts who suffer with Paratyphoid. And canker, cocci and worms are common.

I have a microscope and I see an awful lot of this type of thing. And often, I see infections in birds from very dedicated Fanciers.

All I have pointed out is what I think is common sense. The Fanciers that have fed their birds have gained nothing because the birds sick it up. The Fanciers who have been responsible and not fed their birds have everything to loose.

And yes it would be a nice idea to fit mesh floors to the crates, but I can't see that being done. Can you?

In regard to the legalities of this, yes you are right, as yet we can not force the issue. But surely it would be worth all our whiles to try to eliminate a severe source of infection for our birds. Do you know, that we have not got to the stage where the crates are washed and distinfected after each use as yet. And how many Clubs use distinfectant in their drinkers?

Every year we are consigning large numbers of young pigeons to the roadsides and streets of our towns and cities. Then we complain about the losses. I am not saying that this one thing will eliminate the losses but it will at least make a positive contribution towards it.

 

Can,t see where he says anything about what time you should feed them,but he does say that if you do feed them you have gained nothing,perhaps he can tell us does he feed on basketing day yes or no.

[Guest tom123]

burton&south derby no lib newbury,moved to marlborough because of horse racing from newbury tomorrow.

are wnr fed still going from newbury??????

 

we/us

arnt at the race course we liberate just outside the show grounds north of the m4

[Guest strapper]

any bird with a degree of health should not throw up if given food 3-4hrs b4 basketing.

the birds that usually throw up are the ones that are fed an hour  -hour/half b4 basketing.

i dont remember seeing my birds being sick in the basket...but i have witnessed it in old birds.

not yet this year in youngbirds.

also i wouldnt send my birds to a race if i thought they had something wrong with them...youngbird sickness creeps up on you though and you dont notice it...touch wood this year i havent had it.

but i understand what owen is saying ! ..and do believe he is right about birds throwing up ...each member should try to stop this happening if possible.

maybe a little helpful bit of advice from the fed on this could alert members to this.(make some members(in the fed) sit up and listen)....im sure most though feed their birds by mid day ish.

 

 

anyhow im off taking my mother out today so you all have a good race and hopefully good returns

[Guest tom123]

update @0800

[Robert Hyde]

Birds liberated @ 8am

[dicko]

thanks robert

[Robert Hyde]

Good returns,Lovely day.can,t ask for more,

[adam owen]

what type of race have you had this week boys??? around pontypool things sound fine no grumbles,earlyest ive heered is 42

[rasbull]

how was the racing today then lads? How long has it taken the birds today?