LOUELLA

[BLACK W F]

WHATS GUYS THOUGHTS OF THE OLDER STOCK BIRDS LOUELLA HAVE PUT UP FOR SALE LATELY

YOU MUST GIVE CREDIT WHERE ITS DUE THERE ARE SOME VERY NICE LOOKING BIRDS SOME CRACKING BLOODLINES AT VERY GOOD PRICES

[Guest]

Good deals my missus got me a cracking 2000 dark hen from there it looks d part and a cracking 2002 Kirkpatrick for a suprise

[BLACK W F]

YES THERE ARE SOME CRACKING DEALS TO BE DONE  CHANCE FOR GUYS TO GET TOP BLOODLINES AT GOOD PRICES

[pigeonpete]

stop shouting!   you got your elbow resting on your caps lock again?

[BLACK W F]

its   stuck  AGAIN  LOL

[Guest]

WHATS GUYS THOUGHTS OF THE OLDER STOCK BIRDS LOUELLA HAVE PUT UP FOR SALE LATELY

YOU MUST GIVE CREDIT WHERE ITS DUE THERE ARE SOME VERY NICE LOOKING BIRDS SOME CRACKING BLOODLINES AT VERY GOOD PRICES

 

:-/ well ive had a good look i can't see any ,but i have left my glass,es at home my feeders look better than them

[BLACK W F]

come on now Andy be fair  there are some nice birds amongst them and the right lines at a desent price

[blaz]

some nice birds for breeding not the best lookers. but even a good looking bird would lose it,s looks after years of breeding. ugly pigeons win races as well and when they do then they dont seem so ugly.

[Guest]

come on now Andy be fair  there are some nice birds amongst them and the right lines at a desent price

Alan i would'ent buy anything from that stud been there got the t shirt,ive bought old and young from this stud mate,what a wast of time and money and i can say that for a lot of fanciers  .

 

 

[BLACK W F]

there is a lot of fanciers done really well with his stock birds and racers  good and bad in all

[Guest Owen]

I reckon that the maths work out as follows. If you breed from performance pigeons you can expect 1 from 4 to be excellent. 1 from 4 to be good. And 2 from 4 to be unsuitable. If you breed from the progeny of performace pigeons the expectations double. 1 from 8 will be excellent, 1 from 8 will be good and 6 from 8 will be unsuitable.

So it follows that when you buy birds that have not been tested they can give you anything from total rubbish to some that you will be glad to have. If has nothing to do with looks. It is all about what they have got in their heads.

It is my opinion that, pigeons that are not proven performers are used to breed lots of rubbish that become basket fillers. Then these birds are part of the legions of lost birds that happen every year.

Years ago people did not keep stock birds and only bred from proven pigeons. The losses were far less then. There were lots of good pigeons then, but there were also stars. These days people try to overcome the problem of poor quality pigeons by breeding numbers in the hope they can find a few good ones. The results are obvious.

The cycle is put into motion by breeding from good looking pigeons that have little or no ability. People are breeding from pieces of paper and not the genuine article. Sad. So why don't you go to an auction and buy yourself something that has done the job, rather than gamble on good looking non-entities that once had an ancester of abilility. If the ancester was a great grandparent it will probably be one out of eight individuals. There are another seven there to influence matters. Not very good odds.  

[Guest Gareth Rankin]

Would have to agree with you Owen

 

Like everything in the sport it comes down to percentages and in my eyes the percentages are not good with the redundant pigeons that Louella are trying to sell off.

[Guest JPH]

generations of paper pigeons ,the performance birds can be back 30 or more years.

 

paper gets blown away very quickly.

 

better with birds from tried and tested performers ;)

[BLACK W F]

guys have a good look at some of these birds they are not far away from the champs in some cases

right off them also inbred gchildren  i think there is a very good chance of getting something good JMO

[Guest Owen]

BLACK W F

There is a chance of getting something good from pigeons like that, but as I said, your working against very long odds. If you go to the best flyer you know and ask him/her how many really good pigeons they get each year from the ones they breed from their proven stock, you will find that is not many. Equally, if you check on the number of pigeons that help to win averages in any given year you could be surprised as to how few it is. OK there are exceptions, but most lofts depend on a very few really top pigeons to achieve their results. Most pigeons kept, even by the best Fanciers are average at best. So the odds are not good for your champion breeder coming from a non racing stud. If you are working on the romantic idea that there are golden couples or that there are pairs that breed winners in every nest, you are deluding yourself. Breeding livestock has always been a matter of working the odds, and that's the charm of it all. But, if you really are a supreme optimist, why not play the lottery and when you win you can buy the best available and save on all this speculation. But would it be as much fun?

[BLACK W F]

Well Owen  i take on your point of view but what i am saying is they are not far away from the champs  and they do breed winners and producers  i am saying they are in my opinion

worth taking a chance on  i never said i would be buying a loft full  

as i mostly buy in teams of young birds  from different flyers like my ronnys   my dist pigeons jan thaellens i bought 2 pair and was gifted 2 pair from a small dutch stud  

others are purchased from proven producers   but what i did find out long ago most of my best producers  bred birds to win and score in there first breeding year  at club and fed level

others i have bought are top lines that i have purchased from winning lofts and  and lofts with class distance lines

[glenrandal]

just had a look on louella website have to agree with black wf some very good pigeons on offer at a reasonable price.................

[pjc]

pay your money and take your chance!

Ask if they'll gaurantee money back if the hens don't lay and the cocks don't fill?

[holmsidelofts]

Well Owen  i take on your point of view but what i am saying is they are not far away from the champs  and they do breed winners and producers  i am saying they are in my opinion

worth taking a chance on  i never said i would be buying a loft full  

as i mostly buy in teams of young birds  from different flyers like my ronnys   my dist pigeons jan thaellens i bought 2 pair and was gifted 2 pair from a small dutch stud  

others are purchased from proven producers   but what i did find out long ago most of my best producers  bred birds to win and score in there first breeding year  at club and fed level

others i have bought are top lines that i have purchased from winning lofts and  and lofts with class distance lines

 

 

Id have to disagree there really, louella puts out 1000's of birds a year and a huge amount of them end up lost or in the dustbin.

As owen says when big studs like louella go to a champions loft they not only purchase the winners but also unproven youngsters from them, they then pair up these youngster to produce even more youngster are paired up and its these youngsters  which are then sold to the public, who will then keep them as stock and breed from them, by that point you are so far removed from the high performers that your chances of getting fantastic birds from them are very greatly diminished. You dont get 6 champion pigeons for £130 from anyone. If you want birds out of the champions from them you will pay hundreds or even thousands for them from louella. The old stock they are selling are the birds they bred out of the youngsters they purchased which are not proven racers. You dont see the likes of invincible spirit up for sale, they dont sell older stock that are producing champions why would you regardless of age champions continue to produce champions regardless of there age.

As owen says go to entire clearance sales, buy the proven breeders or the winning racers, that way you have more chance of producing the real champions.

 

[BLACK W F]

there been plenty good winners  come from there in the past have a look again at the peds

and you will see some are out of the main birds

[Guest JPH]

 

 

Id have to disagree there really, louella puts out 1000's of birds a year and a huge amount of them end up lost or in the dustbin.

As owen says when big studs like louella go to a champions loft they not only purchase the winners but also unproven youngsters from them, they then pair up these youngster to produce even more youngster are paired up and its these youngsters  which are then sold to the public, who will then keep them as stock and breed from them, by that point you are so far removed from the high performers that your chances of getting fantastic birds from them are very greatly diminished. You dont get 6 champion pigeons for £130 from anyone. If you want birds out of the champions from them you will pay hundreds or even thousands for them from louella. The old stock they are selling are the birds they bred out of the youngsters they purchased which are not proven racers. You dont see the likes of invincible spirit up for sale, they dont sell older stock that are producing champions why would you regardless of age champions continue to produce champions regardless of there age.

As owen says go to entire clearance sales, buy the proven breeders or the winning racers, that way you have more chance of producing the real champions.

well daid that man spot on ;)

 

 

[holmsidelofts]

there been plenty good winners  come from there in the past have a look again at the peds

and you will see some are out of the main birds

 

i dont disagree but based upon the amount of birds they breed every year the percentage of winners to birds bred are not that high.

[BLACK W F]

have a look and see how many winners your stockbirds have bred this y/b season or how many you got to the first race

[Thimbles]

LOADDA  crap louella sells

[holmsidelofts]

have a look and see how many winners your stockbirds have bred this y/b season or how many you got to the first race

 

A hell of a lot more than i would ever get from louella, believe me i have had their rubbish on more than one occasion,  but if you want to waste your money then go ahead, i dont need to i own better stock than you'll ever likely to own in your life time.