hi a quick question

[Guest IB]

The erection of a pigeon loft comes under Class E 'permitted development' rules of UK Town & Country Planning Act, which basically means that you already have planning permission to erect it, provided it meets certain conditions. The fact is that the building has already been in place for some time, and there's been no complaint about it from anyone. It's just a common courtesy now to tell the neighbour on either side of you that you intend to keep racing pigeons in it. The one exception could be in a conservation area, where you might need to apply for permission.

 

Class E

Permitted development

E. The provision within the curtilage of the dwellinghouse of—

(a) any building or enclosure, swimming or other pool required for a purpose incidental to the enjoyment of the dwellinghouse as such, or the maintenance, improvement or other alteration of such a building or enclosure;

 

http://www.opsi.gov.uk/si/si2008/pdf/uksi_20082362_en.pdf

 

In Scotland, the Title Deeds may contain something called a 'negative burden' which seeks to stop you doing something ordinarily permitted, like keeping racing pigeons. A new law came into being in 2004 which basically says if you do something which the  Title Deeds don't allow, like keeping racing pigeons, and nobody complains within a 12 week period, then after that you cannot be stopped doing it, and the restriction ceases to exist.

 

Scottish Councils also have a clause in their Missives (Lease) for Local Authority housing which states you need their permission (as Landlord) to keep racing pigeons - and this also states permission will not be unreasonably withheld. The same clause goes into the Title Deeds for those houses which have been sold to sitting tenants.

 

There have been some problems with English Councils, especially in the North East, which don't seem particularly 'pigeon friendly'. But the same rules apply. You might want to check out if there is a similar Law on 'negative burden' in England. Our law is The Title Conditions (Scotland) Act 2003.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest Greig the doo Drysdale]

The erection of a pigeon loft comes under Class E 'permitted development' rules of UK Town & Country Planning Act, which basically means that you already have planning permission to erect it, provided it meets certain conditions. The fact is that the building has already been in place for some time, and there's been no complaint about it from anyone. It's just a common courtesy now to tell the neighbour on either side of you that you intend to keep racing pigeons in it. The one exception could be in a conservation area, where you might need to apply for permission.

 

Class E

Permitted development

E. The provision within the curtilage of the dwellinghouse of—

(a) any building or enclosure, swimming or other pool required for a purpose incidental to the enjoyment of the dwellinghouse as such, or the maintenance, improvement or other alteration of such a building or enclosure;

 

http://www.opsi.gov.uk/si/si2008/pdf/uksi_20082362_en.pdf

 

In Scotland, the Title Deeds may contain something called a 'negative burden' which seeks to stop you doing something ordinarily permitted, like keeping racing pigeons. A new law came into being in 2004 which basically says if you do something which the  Title Deeds don't allow, like keeping racing pigeons, and nobody complains within a 12 week period, then after that you cannot be stopped doing it, and the restriction ceases to exist.

 

Scottish Councils also have a clause in their Missives (Lease) for Local Authority housing which states you need their permission (as Landlord) to keep racing pigeons - and this also states permission will not be unreasonably withheld. The same clause goes into the Title Deeds for those houses which have been sold to sitting tenants.

 

There have been some problems with English Councils, especially in the North East, which don't seem particularly 'pigeon friendly'. But the same rules apply. You might want to check out if there is a similar Law on 'negative burden' in England. Our law is The Title Conditions (Scotland) Act 2003.

 

 

 

 

 

IB I need to ask you what web site you get all your information from every answer you put up is a story surly you cant know the answer to every question in such details. No offence mate just something I pick up on your posts  

 

[Guest IB]

IB I need to ask you what web site you get all your information from every answer you put up is a story surly you cant know the answer to every question in such details. No offence mate just something I pick up on your posts  

 

The question on planning permission comes up very regularly and the answers were also published some time ago (2006?) in the BHW by an Architect Pigeon Fancier (Shirley?) who also deals with appeals for refusal of planning permission for pigeons & pigeon lofts. They have also been regularly posted on here, and a search 'permitted development' should bring them up. Here's the last one, August 2008:-

 

http://forum.pigeonbasics.com/m-1217586273/s-3/highlight-permitted+development/#num3

 

No offence, but I've posted that often on this subject plus my own experience plus my council legal contacts, that I do know this one off by heart. Just a matter of remembering  the key word(s) for internet search to give a link that confirms I'm not misleading anyone with anything I post.

[chickadee]

the loft must be 5 meters from any house including yours and the neighbours on all sides need to agree to you keeping them, other wise you could have problems. good luck

 

It must be different from up here in parts of Scotland, we are 3m and do not have to consult any neighbours, a good job as our next door neighbour hates them

[Guest Greig the doo Drysdale]

 

The question on planning permission comes up very regularly and the answers were also published some time ago (2006?) in the BHW by an Architect Pigeon Fancier (Shirley?) who also deals with appeals for refusal of planning permission for pigeons & pigeon lofts. They have also been regularly posted on here, and a search 'permitted development' should bring them up. Here's the last one, August 2008:-

 

http://forum.pigeonbasics.com/m-1217586273/s-3/highlight-permitted+development/#num3

 

No offence, but I've posted that often on this subject plus my own experience plus my council legal contacts, that I do know this one off by heart. Just a matter of remembering  the key word(s) for internet search to give a link that confirms I'm not misleading anyone with anything I post.

 

I was just wondering how 1 man can be so informative mate thats all  

[Guest numpty01]

 

I was just wondering how 1 man can be so informative mate thats all  

google anything it will tell you lot on here use it and post the answers which is great for rest of us

 

[paul10121968]

welcome to the site.i have just had permission off my local council to extend another 10 feet,but space isnt an issue where i live and my neighbours are really good.i think if you satisfy those 2 partys then you have got it cracked.its worth remembering that council laws vary from area to area so check with your local council if your worried.

[Guest shadow]

ok thanks i have to have a word with them do i have to get a wriiten letter from them saying they allow me to keep pigeons with the signature is it just the neighbours on the left and right to me our everyone on my street both sides

everybody that borders your garden

 

 

[Guest bakes]

The erection of a pigeon loft comes under Class E 'permitted development' rules of UK Town & Country Planning Act, which basically means that you already have planning permission to erect it, provided it meets certain conditions. The fact is that the building has already been in place for some time, and there's been no complaint about it from anyone. It's just a common courtesy now to tell the neighbour on either side of you that you intend to keep racing pigeons in it. The one exception could be in a conservation area, where you might need to apply for permission.

 

Class E

Permitted development

E. The provision within the curtilage of the dwellinghouse of—

(a) any building or enclosure, swimming or other pool required for a purpose incidental to the enjoyment of the dwellinghouse as such, or the maintenance, improvement or other alteration of such a building or enclosure;

 

http://www.opsi.gov.uk/si/si2008/pdf/uksi_20082362_en.pdf

 

In Scotland, the Title Deeds may contain something called a 'negative burden' which seeks to stop you doing something ordinarily permitted, like keeping racing pigeons. A new law came into being in 2004 which basically says if you do something which the  Title Deeds don't allow, like keeping racing pigeons, and nobody complains within a 12 week period, then after that you cannot be stopped doing it, and the restriction ceases to exist.

 

Scottish Councils also have a clause in their Missives (Lease) for Local Authority housing which states you need their permission (as Landlord) to keep racing pigeons - and this also states permission will not be unreasonably withheld. The same clause goes into the Title Deeds for those houses which have been sold to sitting tenants.

 

There have been some problems with English Councils, especially in the North East, which don't seem particularly 'pigeon friendly'. But the same rules apply. You might want to check out if there is a similar Law on 'negative burden' in England. Our law is The Title Conditions (Scotland) Act 2003.

 

 

 

 

 

 

thanks mate much apreciated popped round one of my neighbours today they said thats fine with me her dad use to keep them when she was younger neighbour on the over side wasnt in but had a word with there daughter she said i wouldnt of thought my mum/dad would of been bothered about that also had a word with the fartherinlaw he has been through the paper work when he bought the house it doesnt state anythink about keeping pets so looks good i say a few weeks to sort the shed out with boxs,trap,perch's and a few visits to fellow fanciers i will be hopefuly have a few pairs of youngbirds to home i am very happy now as ive always wonted raceing pigeons

 

thanks for your time

bakes.

[just ask me]

 

thanks mate much apreciated popped round one of my neighbours today they said thats fine with me her dad use to keep them when she was younger neighbour on the over side wasnt in but had a word with there daughter she said i wouldnt of thought my mum/dad would of been bothered about that also had a word with the fartherinlaw he has been through the paper work when he bought the house it doesnt state anythink about keeping pets so looks good i say a few weeks to sort the shed out with boxs,trap,perch's and a few visits to fellow fanciers i will be hopefuly have a few pairs of youngbirds to home i am very happy now as ive always wonted raceing pigeons

 

thanks for your time

bakes.

 

beat of luck with it hope it all works out now the fun starts  

[peterpau]

Mate the distance your pen needs to be from propperty is down to your council. I know here in Rugby it is 6 feet as the council came round to inspect. I don't know weather it was Warwickshire or Rugby probably the later. Best o' luck. Pete.