Guest bigda Posted October 22, 2009 Report Posted October 22, 2009 well this man says the can fly in the dark SUPER DISTANCE NIGHFLYER PAIR !! NO.45. NL07-713. DARKCHEQUER COCK. INBRED PRINCESS OF DARKNESS !! Sire is NL98-2036925, super producer from NL94-5507816, BROTHER GOUDHAANTJE, 21ST DAX 4.416 birds. NL94-5507793, GOUDHAAN, 3rd VNCC BERGERAC, 11TH NATIONAL 18.471 BIRDS, 4TH VNCC TARBES, winner of 3 Colortv’s, also sprinting 2nd St. Quentin 400km 2.140 birds, 16th Etampes 5.405 birds. Son of NL85-371211, 19th NATIONAL DAX, 26TH NATIONAL DAX, when paired to NL93-1870784, FOUNDATION HEN from NL85-548057, BRAAKHUIS and NL90-2933638 VAN DE EYNDE Dam of 925/98 is NL95-5516905, 25th DAX, 787 ST . VINCENT 7.087 birds! Dam is NL96-5609309, "PRINCESS OF DARKNESS", winner of 1st VNC LIMOGES 880 KM , 1.328 birds, clocked at 01.51 at NIGHT !! Also 12e VNC ST. VINCENT 1.725 birds, 1.148 km !! She is daughter of NL87-5719610, "DAX DOFFER", 1st VNC DAX, 14th NATIONAL BERGERAC 40.081 birds, foundation cock, sire of exceptional stock and racers, son of JONGE STERN NL86-654340 and NL85-534051, daughter foundation pair Löwik brothers. Dam of "PRINCESS OF DARKNESS" in NL93-1870766, daughter 6e, 50e, 77e, 163e National Pau and 13e National Perpignan, NL88-1002600, also mother 1e NATIONAL SAN SEBASTIAN, 5e INTERNAT. SAN SEBASTIAN , when paired to NL90-1682694, SON WESTERHUISDOFFER, VAN WANROY, superb producer! LAST OF PRINCESS DARKNESS !! NO. 46. NL05-493. BLUE HEN. Sire is NL89-1821172. "SUPER 172", foundation cock for Thei
Guest bigda Posted October 22, 2009 Report Posted October 22, 2009 as you can see timed at 1.51 at night ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D :X
Guest Posted October 22, 2009 Report Posted October 22, 2009 as you can see timed at 1.51 at night ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D :X HA GREAT DAY HAD FUN WITH YOU IT WAS LIKE WAITING FOR A FISH TO BITE ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D .
Guest frank dooman Posted October 22, 2009 Report Posted October 22, 2009 ive tried to train in the dark many times and i know about a dozen distance fanciers that do it on a regular bassis the idea is not to realy get them to fly in the dark(allthough some will) but its to train them to get up and on with the busniess at first light and as tammy says many are winning because of it many a bird has been timmed long after dark
pjc Posted October 22, 2009 Report Posted October 22, 2009 Sat waiting with my Grandfather many year ago waiting for his 2 national birds, 1 dropped at 10.05pm and its son dropped at 10.10pm!
Guest bigda Posted October 22, 2009 Report Posted October 22, 2009 HA GREAT DAY HAD FUN WITH YOU IT WAS LIKE WAITING FOR A FISH TO BITE ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D . no probes mate, i ant good at the fishing, but i am ??) know en to wind people up ;D ;D
ALF Posted October 22, 2009 Report Posted October 22, 2009 no probes mate, i ant good at the fishing, but i am ??) know en to wind people up ;D ;D But did you did it in the dark or was it still light ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Guest Posted October 22, 2009 Report Posted October 22, 2009 no probes mate, i ant good at the fishing, but i am ??) know en to wind people up ;D ;D HA, NOT ME MATE :-/ ME AND ANOTHER MEMBER HAD A BET WHO WOULD JUMP IN HA HA I GOT TWO OF YOU I WON THE BET 20 POUNDS COMING MY WAY,THANKS ;D ;D ;D ;D
Guest bigda Posted October 22, 2009 Report Posted October 22, 2009 HA, NOT ME MATE :-/ ME AND ANOTHER MEMBER HAD A BET WHO WOULD JUMP IN HA HA I GOT TWO OF YOU I WON THE BET 20 POUNDS COMING MY WAY,THANKS ;D ;D ;D ;D good stuff, but yea cant beet me when it comes to proving yeh wrong ;D ;D ;D ;D put a tenner in the poor box ;D
Guest Davy Fleming Posted October 22, 2009 Report Posted October 22, 2009 You will find that releasing birds quite late that they will not be wanting to go astray and get home asap that way they will get the line of flight pretty quickly . But still think they need some experience first and do a bit of ranging then would start this training . Have tried it in the past and found it to be actually quite effective so wouldn't knock it
Novice Posted October 22, 2009 Report Posted October 22, 2009 well this man says the can fly in the dark SUPER DISTANCE NIGHFLYER PAIR !! NO.45. NL07-713. DARKCHEQUER COCK. INBRED PRINCESS OF DARKNESS !! Sire is NL98-2036925, super producer from NL94-5507816, BROTHER GOUDHAANTJE, 21ST DAX 4.416 birds. NL94-5507793, GOUDHAAN, 3rd VNCC BERGERAC, 11TH NATIONAL 18.471 BIRDS, 4TH VNCC TARBES, winner of 3 Colortv’s, also sprinting 2nd St. Quentin 400km 2.140 birds, 16th Etampes 5.405 birds. Son of NL85-371211, 19th NATIONAL DAX, 26TH NATIONAL DAX, when paired to NL93-1870784, FOUNDATION HEN from NL85-548057, BRAAKHUIS and NL90-2933638 VAN DE EYNDE Dam of 925/98 is NL95-5516905, 25th DAX, 787 ST . VINCENT 7.087 birds! Dam is NL96-5609309, "PRINCESS OF DARKNESS", winner of 1st VNC LIMOGES 880 KM , 1.328 birds, clocked at 01.51 at NIGHT !! Also 12e VNC ST. VINCENT 1.725 birds, 1.148 km !! She is daughter of NL87-5719610, "DAX DOFFER", 1st VNC DAX, 14th NATIONAL BERGERAC 40.081 birds, foundation cock, sire of exceptional stock and racers, son of JONGE STERN NL86-654340 and NL85-534051, daughter foundation pair Löwik brothers. Dam of "PRINCESS OF DARKNESS" in NL93-1870766, daughter 6e, 50e, 77e, 163e National Pau and 13e National Perpignan, NL88-1002600, also mother 1e NATIONAL SAN SEBASTIAN, 5e INTERNAT. SAN SEBASTIAN , when paired to NL90-1682694, SON WESTERHUISDOFFER, VAN WANROY, superb producer! LAST OF PRINCESS DARKNESS !! NO. 46. NL05-493. BLUE HEN. Sire is NL89-1821172. "SUPER 172", foundation cock for Thei I believe these are the pigeons of Lowic Brothers. A bit pricey for these liberations and most are dark chequers.
vanlink Posted October 24, 2009 Report Posted October 24, 2009 I have done a lot of liberations just before dark knowing they will not get home. They have then come early next morning. It encourages them to roost and then come home early. A lot of the greats have done similar things. What do you think happens when your birds do not come home in a day? They have to roost. In terms of the birds welfare well lets face it they are racing pigeons; they are a means to an end. Yes we look after them as best we can and we do not want to see any harm come to them but they are still there to race and that’s what they are breed for and have evolved to do. If we wanted to protect them then we would not let them out of the loft. Birds of prey do not fly at night so perhaps we should all race at night. To quote a respected friend and a very good local fancier ‘In this sport if you want to win then you have to get an edge’ an edge comes from going against the grain and pushing the boundaries.
Guest Posted October 24, 2009 Report Posted October 24, 2009 I have done a lot of liberations just before dark knowing they will not get home. They have then come early next morning. It encourages them to roost and then come home early. A lot of the greats have done similar things. What do you think happens when your birds do not come home in a day? They have to roost. In terms of the birds welfare well lets face it they are racing pigeons; they are a means to an end. Yes we look after them as best we can and we do not want to see any harm come to them but they are still there to race and that’s what they are breed for and have evolved to do. If we wanted to protect them then we would not let them out of the loft. Birds of prey do not fly at night so perhaps we should all race at night. To quote a respected friend and a very good local fancier ‘In this sport if you want to win then you have to get an edge’ an edge comes from going against the grain and pushing the boundaries. Read the post liberated in the dark not before, so what some are telling me that these so called top fanciers release there birds in the DARK tosh .
Guest Posted October 24, 2009 Report Posted October 24, 2009 In terms of the birds welfare well lets face it they are racing pigeons; they are a means to an end. That may well be your opinion but to many fanciers they are life itself and without their pigeons many wouldn't want to live, so reverse the saying to 'its an end to a means', a meaning for living. :B
vanlink Posted October 24, 2009 Report Posted October 24, 2009 That may well be your opinion but to many fanciers they are life itself and without their pigeons many wouldn't want to live, so reverse the saying to 'its an end to a means', a meaning for living. :B You can't just take out a few words from my post because that then changes the way it was meant to read. In other words you have taken it out of context. When you race your pigeons then you enter into competition and they become a means for that purpose just as racehorses and grey hounds. When they leave your possession then they then have risks and dangers which you except or else you would not send them at all. If they are not then keep them at home as pets. As for the birds being some ones life I would perhaps not argue with that point but perhaps suggest that ‘birds’ are peoples life and not the ‘individual birds’. I would wonder how many only like a bird once it performs well and select out birds that are not right for purpose. I love some of my birds don’t get me wrong but they are there to work. My last post is with reference to some thinking it unacceptable to release birds at night. Some would suggest that racing pigeon’s full stop is unacceptable. Peta (animal rights) want pigeon racing stopped and when they get racing pigeons in they cut their rings off so don’t always think it is jealous fanciers cause its not.
Guest frank dooman Posted October 24, 2009 Report Posted October 24, 2009 i just watched it last night i think it was wrong i would like to correct my last post it was allmost dark when i liberate but the idea is to put them up with little or no chance of getting home on the night and having to get up in the morning but they must have a chance to find some where to roost for the night with out flying into anything
me Posted October 25, 2009 Report Posted October 25, 2009 WELL THEY WON JUST ABOUT EVERYTHING THERE WAS TO WIN IN LANARKSHIRE AND SOME GREAT RESULTS WITH THE SNFC There were few better than Hughie thats for sure and as far as I recall he never lost a bird by doing this. Saying that it was many many years ago and even after he stopped doing it he was still winning, he was just a great dooman!
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