european eagle owl

[ch pied]

 

I do beleive these birds are already breeding in the wilds of britain

not sure on this , i think , up  n . yorkshire  way , doing good work

 

 

[jimmy white]

 

I do beleive these birds are already breeding in the wilds of britain

 

this is correct,

[maverick]

Seen programme chris is on about and 1 man is fighting the case for these birds to live in the wild and i am sure a pair were breeding and had been here for a few years

[Merlin]

Also in the beautiful rolling hills of Southern Ireland.

[mick]

 

Sadly, these owls are being used as status symbols, as seen here, http://www.norfolkfalconry.co.uk/owlforum/food-for-rehabers--t188.htmloften the reason for lost birds of prey is inexperience though not always.

 

thats  what my reply was  too  

[maverick]

chriss can you remember what the programme was called as i am sure this guy would be glad to hear about the intrest in these birds by pigeon fanciers and the support he could get from them

[ChrisMaidment08]

Seen programme chris is on about and 1 man is fighting the case for these birds to live in the wild and i am sure a pair were breeding and had been here for a few years

 

correct and have the best gaurds in world the army

[ch pied]

Also in the beautiful rolling hills of Southern Ireland.

and will be left alone to do their own thing ,

 

 

[Guest stevie-b]

if realesed into densely populated areas of hawks and peregrines they would cull 90% the other 10% would move out of the area we as fanciers should be funding the realese of these in the uk

[ch pied]

Sadly, these owls are being used as status symbols, as seen here, http://www.norfolkfalconry.co.uk/owlforum/food-for-rehabers--t188.htmloften the reason for lost birds of prey is inexperience though not always.

 

thats  what my reply was  too  

that's me back on track , thank's

 

 

[ChrisMaidment08]

chriss can you remember what the programme was called as i am sure this guy would be glad to hear about the intrest in these birds by pigeon fanciers and the support he could get from them

 

no but i maybe able to talk to the person who filmed it i took him to exitor airport this morning flew to france he will phone in next couple days always does    ducky

[Guest bristolkev]

was`nt it called natural world?

[ChrisMaidment08]

i beleave it was

[jimmy white]

chriss can you remember what the programme was called as i am sure this guy would be glad to hear about the intrest in these birds by pigeon fanciers and the support he could get from them

 

if you look at post 143 on the hawks" sticky" postings on racing pigeon page  , this was to do with that programme [may get the date,, then get the name of the programme, through that,, there was a fair bit of info on these eagle owls on that thread,,,

[maverick]

 

no but i maybe able to talk to the person who filmed it i took him to exitor airport this morning flew to france he will phone in next couple days always does    ducky

 

you seem a nice boy   ducky              lol

[kerryharris]

theres  a lot    of  very experianced  falconers who loose   birds    so that  statement is  rubbish  

 

What part of my statement is rubbish? The "often the reason for lost birds of prey is inexperience" or the "though not always" part?

 

Perhaps I should have added, or complacency. However, sadly the fact is, most lost birds of prey are due to inexperience.

 

 

[kerryharris]

I know I am in for a bumpy ride here, but I assume the love of the EEO is because they sometimes prey on pere's? Don't Pere's separate the chaff from the wheat as it were? Picking on the slower or weaker pigeons, thus improving the loft stock? There are some pigeon fanciers I know that ( one in particular in America ) every year when the birds of prey winter at his, watches his pigeon stock get fitter and he believes improve because Birds of prey cull his weaker ones and chase his fitter ones without success.

 

Another friend of mine has a cull every so often of his weaker pigeons and gives the dead pigeons to a falconer. I am not trying to pick a fight, just trying to understand, not so I can change the world, just my own.

[just ask me]

I know I am in for a bumpy ride here, but I assume the love of the EEO is because they sometimes prey on pere's? Don't Pere's separate the chaff from the wheat as it were? Picking on the slower or weaker pigeons, thus improving the loft stock? There are some pigeon fanciers I know that ( one in particular in America ) every year when the birds of prey winter at his, watches his pigeon stock get fitter and he believes improve because Birds of prey cull his weaker ones and chase his fitter ones without success.

 

Another friend of mine has a cull every so often of his weaker pigeons and gives the dead pigeons to a falconer. I am not trying to pick a fight, just trying to understand, not so I can change the world, just my own.

 

couldn't agree with u at all the birds to go through the falcons first on race day are the most likely to get a slap  they dive at speeds which is any where close to 180 mile hour no pigeon can fly that fast i lost a cock this year out side my loft that had brilliant results with average of birds racing 1500 to 1700  they are opportunists which take anything that coming when the are hungry have seen them kill wigeon which have unreal speed and can duck and dive like noting Ive seen

[just ask me]

not being smart kellyharris but shouldn't u really know better as i know one or two pll that  have these birds and the way he puts it is a pigeon after flying a 100 mile even  goes under a falcon and hes up there waiting on as he calls it he reckons a experienced falcon will kill most the time as the bird is si tired another point here is we don't just leave our birds up to fly home the are highlly motivated and have nothing on there minds only to get back to there eggs hens chicks and so on so a lot of the time i have seen it where the pigeon don't even know he is after being hit untill it happens hope for u to write back to this as im alyways up for hearing other pll point of views.

[kerryharris]

Before I get mauled, let me explain,

before I was born, pigeons were written into my life, my family handed down pigeons until it was my turn. We had a loft on our field with many pigeons in, my favourite was Patrick, a loft pecked pigeon that turned blind, but I trained him to fly to my voice, he lived a ripe old age. Others of my favourite pigeons were shot, nailed by sparrowhawks etc. In fact i was pleased when our dog caught a sparrowhawk, so pleased in fact we had it stuffed.

 

However, I met someone years ago into BOP's, over many differences of opinion, discussions and without bullying etc, I grew to realise that Bops have their place. Its like people blame bops for the decline of songbirds etc, not the concrete jungles that rise up, not the pesticides, just bops. I'm sorry, it sounds like I am preaching, I am not, I still have pigeons, I still hate seeing dead pigeons etc, I was drawn to this discussion through Google because of the EEO's and quite wrongly, I expressed my opinion, I am sorry, I cannot remove my post. If it causes offence, please do so as non was meant.

[Guest chrisss]

Before I get mauled, let me explain,

before I was born, pigeons were written into my life, my family handed down pigeons until it was my turn. We had a loft on our field with many pigeons in, my favourite was Patrick, a loft pecked pigeon that turned blind, but I trained him to fly to my voice, he lived a ripe old age. Others of my favourite pigeons were shot, nailed by sparrowhawks etc. In fact i was pleased when our dog caught a sparrowhawk, so pleased in fact we had it stuffed.

 

However, I met someone years ago into BOP's, over many differences of opinion, discussions and without bullying etc, I grew to realise that Bops have their place. Its like people blame bops for the decline of songbirds etc, not the concrete jungles that rise up, not the pesticides, just bops. I'm sorry, it sounds like I am preaching, I am not, I still have pigeons, I still hate seeing dead pigeons etc, I was drawn to this discussion through Google because of the EEO's and quite wrongly, I expressed my opinion, I am sorry, I cannot remove my post. If it causes offence, please do so as non was meant.

 

expressing your opinion is not wrong, i doubt very much that your post caused that much offence,keep posting,its an open forum and despite different views,it is [at least not yet]not a stoning offence to express a different view point,and just for the record i don't agree with most of your post!!!!

[Guest IB]

Nothing wrong with saying what you think need to hear both sides of every story if anything is ever going to be worked out with birds of prey dont think there is ever going be much chance of that with the rspb though seem to have views that change to suit themselves like with the european eagle owl that they say isnt a bird that is native to this country yet they were saying not so long ago about how pleased they were seeing i think it was cattle egrets appearing in this country

 

Couldn't agree more. The more information that is swapped between those that 'know' BoP's, and pigeon fanciers, then the sooner all the fallacies will be replaced by facts.

 

One of the biggest fallacies for me is that BoP's take only the weaker birds, and 'do us a favour'. Basically nonsense, a loft close to me has lost 1st Federation Winners to Sparrowhawks. Then there was the 'other' story of Windscale or Sellafield (whichever name you know the nuclear power station by) from the BHW a few years ago: a worker there noted two racing pigeons chased into one of the buildings by a peregrine, around 6pm.  He eventually caught them, and noted they were double-rubbered, Scottish-rung pigeons, and on reporting them found they belonged to the same person, were flying a National Channel Race, and at the time of the incident were well on their way home, probably amongst the leading birds.

 

The other one is the kill : scatter ratio. Not long ago, a club mate had a peregrine dive into his 08 youngsters, out exercising. He did not see a kill, what he did see was the batch of 30-odd split into 2 groups, one heading due East at speed. He's only seen a handful of those youngsters since.

[Novice]

I know I am in for a bumpy ride here, but I assume the love of the EEO is because they sometimes prey on pere's? Don't Pere's separate the chaff from the wheat as it were? Picking on the slower or weaker pigeons, thus improving the loft stock? There are some pigeon fanciers I know that ( one in particular in America ) every year when the birds of prey winter at his, watches his pigeon stock get fitter and he believes improve because Birds of prey cull his weaker ones and chase his fitter ones without success.

 

Another friend of mine has a cull every so often of his weaker pigeons and gives the dead pigeons to a falconer. I am not trying to pick a fight, just trying to understand, not so I can change the world, just my own.

 

Hi kerryharris-If birds of prey only took only weaklings then they would have been a godsend. Unfortunately as pigeons fly greater distances then they tire. That is when the pigeon (a potential big winner) completely vulnerable.

The fancier who gives the gives the birds to a falconer (even if they are dead when he does so) strikes me as being a sad individual. The birds he cared for and which may be inferior because of his inadequacies should be treated with more respect than that.

Yes Birds of Prey have a place in nature but unfortunately the population has grown out of proportion.

I agree you should keep posting but I doubt if many on this site will agree with your logic.

 

[Merlin]

Welcome to the site Kerryharris,you will find more logic and tolerance for different opinions here than some sites I could mention,Birds of Prey and pigeons,the problem has always been about,as fanciers we could live with this,but due to the insistence of R.SP.B who are obviousl glove puppets for the Raptors Orgns,its now at epidemic proportions,in many areas birds cant even be excercised within ,what should be the comparitive saftey around their own loft,literally large sums of public donations spent to achive this,breeding boxs,release programes for Raptors,whilst other species of birds are declining rapidly,with the Raptors also playing their part in their demise,this is the big problem,its overpopulation of Raptors,and the continued inference to do so at any cost,and all of this is possible only ,due to the second biggest charity after only Oxfam, R.S.P.B.,to expect this to continue,with our birds being in the main the foodchain that supports these Raptors,cant continue,its only a matter of time,till the majority of fanciers,realize this,well what happens then is anybodys guess,the issue involved here is not Raptors,but amount of,and multiplying consequently on a yearly basis.

[Guest]

Welcome to the site Kerryharris,you will find more logic and tolerance for different opinions here than some sites I could mention,Birds of Prey and pigeons,the problem has always been about,as fanciers we could live with this,but due to the insistence of R.SP.B who are obviousl glove puppets for the Raptors Orgns,its now at epidemic proportions,in many areas birds cant even be excercised within ,what should be the comparitive saftey around their own loft,literally large sums of public donations spent to achive this,breeding boxs,release programes for Raptors,whilst other species of birds are declining rapidly,with the Raptors also playing their part in their demise,this is the big problem,its overpopulation of Raptors,and the continued inference to do so at any cost,and all of this is possible only ,due to the second biggest charity after only Oxfam, R.S.P.B.,to expect this to continue,with our birds being in the main the foodchain that supports these Raptors,cant continue,its only a matter of time,till the majority of fanciers,realize this,well what happens then is anybodys guess,the issue involved here is not Raptors,but amount of,and multiplying consequently on a yearly basis.

 

Merlin couldn't agree more, at the moment it's a bit like a postcode lottery. Some areas in GB (and Ireland?) have little or no Percys, where as others have them all over the place. Th idea tha percy only goes for the weakest comes more from propoganda than actual fact. When you go to select a meal I would suggest there are two factors you go for. 1What you can afford and 2 what you like /fancy. Percy I suggest will be the same. Some  at the top of the hunting pecking tree will be able to choose any pigeon, then it will come to preference. Percy will have developed some idea of what type of pigeon it likes. And will target that pigeon. Down on the south coast of England and the further west you get the more predominant they are, is where most of the Fanciers in GB end up flying to. What a choice for Percy. And those birds that survive the south coast then have to fly in to percy infested homelnds like South Wales, the English / Welsh borders, the lake District and Scotland and Ireland. Now what I've written is just theory but then everything the RSPB puts out about the thought process of percy is the same isn't it?