Roland Posted February 23, 2009 Report Posted February 23, 2009 :oNever mind the crap scenario about Hawks, Raptures and Peregrines etc.!!!! Just when are / is anyone going to stand up and be counted??? Never it seems! All very well bleating and even ASKING for info, and What can be done, etc.? First thing is surely to get off you're *expletive removed* and 'Stand up to be counted'!!!! :'( :'( :'( Yes it's a crying shame A. that hawks are eating our birds alive Boo ooh! DO YOU REALLY CARE??? :-/ :-/ :-/ I doubt it!!! If one did, they would JOIN ME and the MP'S and E.M.P'S THAT WILL HELP if given a cause and a role to play – sure a platform for self interests, but just who give a S@@t! Seem that the Pigeon fraternity don’t! But you DON’T and won't and that's the sad fact!!! Aye are you waiting for the 'Knight In Shining white armour? Are you Dreaming * seems so!! Do you really expect any one to put their name to something that YOU don't even SUPPORT!!!! Get real here, just who will give a F@@@ if you don't???? No one, and why should they? Gosh if it's your pigeons feeding the RSPB BIRDS and you don't care WHY should anyone else? Psst! They won't and WHY should they? RSPB are making money from the raptures eating you’re birds.... Golly it's a free meal for goodness sake! We all want a free ride in life it seems.... But the Pigeon FATERNITY SUPPY it!!! Ands they laugh at us!!! Let’s face it why shouldn't they? They rake in the coinage and we pay... seems fair that to them! So stop bleating and accept.... after all you ARE to blame! That IS the sad fact! Evey day of every year you sit and feel sorry for yourselves! Every day every year you state what could and should be done VIA others. Time to get off your fat arses and did something for your selves!!! Psst! EHHH Ummm Er dum mer Am I think? Must be if you don’t realise by now that YOU!!!!! Have to help your selves and stand up and do something … or just shut up and stop moaning and needlessly bleating. After all you wish to do nowt!
Guest IB Posted February 23, 2009 Report Posted February 23, 2009 Extract from minutes of SHU meeting 14/12/2008 : Any other business Secy gave an update on Sparrowhawk Research. Research had begun and fieldworker would allocate traps to 15 lofts over coming weeks. It had taken since 1996 to reach this stage and it was to the credit of all who had worked over such a long period to make it happen. Credit to Mike Russell Minister for Environment at Scottish Parliament for his support. The Minister had given assurances to SHU members that the research would go ahead and he had fulfilled his promise. The Diaries being completed by the members were extremely important and urged everyone taking part to record all requested information.
dazza Posted February 24, 2009 Report Posted February 24, 2009 Another incoherent Roland rant - p****d again!
pjc Posted February 24, 2009 Report Posted February 24, 2009 Extract from minutes of SHU meeting 14/12/2008 : Any other business Secy gave an update on Sparrowhawk Research. Research had begun and fieldworker would allocate traps to 15 lofts over coming weeks. It had taken since 1996 to reach this stage and it was to the credit of all who had worked over such a long period to make it happen. Credit to Mike Russell Minister for Environment at Scottish Parliament for his support. The Minister had given assurances to SHU members that the research would go ahead and he had fulfilled his promise. The Diaries being completed by the members were extremely important and urged everyone taking part to record all requested information. All very good and very well that they (the scottish fanciers) have kept feeding the sparrow hawks for 13yrs but when will they wake up? The RSPB have agreed to this research because while it is being carried out nothing else will be done but at the end of the research what will they do with it? My guess is NOTHING and all the do gooders who have helped feed the hawks will just be left with egg on their faces! JMO
Guest Owen Posted February 24, 2009 Report Posted February 24, 2009 Rowland is right to be frustrated and angry. He is also right that there is plenty of talk but nothing of any use is being done. Where he and I part company is the the type of actions we should take. I am not keen on confrontation and all the shouting and bawling that goes with that. My idea is to take direct action, quietly and consistantly with as many involved as possible. The test will be, now that Rowland has thrown the gauntlet down, how many will have the courage and commitment to pick it up.
Guest IB Posted February 24, 2009 Report Posted February 24, 2009 The RSPB have agreed to this research because while it is being carried out nothing else will be done but at the end of the research what will they do with it? My guess is NOTHING and all the do gooders who have helped feed the hawks will just be left with egg on their faces! JMO Well your opinion on RSPB is wrong, they did not agree and tried to stop the project. Your opinion on what will happen after the project will have to wait on the results viz. does it work? There's more than pigeon concerns up in arms here - these other concerns are also waiting to see these results, and our Government at least, agrees that something has to change.
Roland Posted February 24, 2009 Author Report Posted February 24, 2009 Afraid I.B. it will be another case of 'All me Eye'. Let it be dormant... then ask for time... then another investigation in 2 years time. Yes dazza probably.... but at least I speak truth. I speak the very FACTS as they are, have been and most probably will remain. Moaning and agreeing and spouting on these and other site is only a cause of amusement to the RSPB for instance. And then just a sauce of amusement. Only time they see any thing that may have a bearing against their' 'Birds' is quickly cut up and headed off... like 'Pour On'... what did the do... why show that the use it with the raptures. Of course they don't USE the pour on! But 90% decide it is so.... far far better to agree than act! Besides that would mean 'Me# doing something! Even making a stand. So Dazza, let's hear your views and what you advocate as the way forward. How to get 'On Board' a way of legally protecting our birds, and our pigeon! :-/ :-/ :-/
Guest TAMMY_1 Posted February 24, 2009 Report Posted February 24, 2009 All very good and very well that they (the scottish fanciers) have kept feeding the sparrow hawks for 13yrs but when will they wake up? The RSPB have agreed to this research because while it is being carried out nothing else will be done but at the end of the research what will they do with it? My guess is NOTHING and all the do gooders who have helped feed the hawks will just be left with egg on their faces! JMO And what would your answer or solution be to the [scottish fanciers ] who keep feeding the hawks, do the english/welsh/irish not have birds eaten by hawks ?
pjc Posted February 24, 2009 Report Posted February 24, 2009 And what would your answer or solution be to the [scottish fanciers ] who keep feeding the hawks, do the english/welsh/irish not have birds eaten by hawks ? Birds are being taken all over the uk, but from what I understand the Scottish have been asked to monitor and report attacks for research where as other area's deal with the problem in other ways.
Guest TAMMY_1 Posted February 24, 2009 Report Posted February 24, 2009 Birds are being taken all over the uk, but from what I understand the Scottish have been asked to monitor and report attacks for research where as other area's deal with the problem in other ways. Legally
pjc Posted February 24, 2009 Report Posted February 24, 2009 of course Tammy, unfortunatly we can't do it any other way! Its so sad though when they have accidents! ;)
widowhooder Posted February 24, 2009 Report Posted February 24, 2009 spot on rolland was there at the start of the shu campaineon on hawks. done it for 2 years kept all the doos that were killed or needed put down after the hawk had it fillthey took as much kills back to prove what kind off hawk was in the area
Guest IB Posted February 24, 2009 Report Posted February 24, 2009 Birds are being taken all over the uk, but from what I understand the Scottish have been asked to monitor and report attacks for research where as other area's deal with the problem in other ways. No, I think you missed the punch line. We have a pilot running with the government approved, legal trapping of sparrowhawks and removing them to pastures new.
Guest wattle Posted February 24, 2009 Report Posted February 24, 2009 And what would your answer or solution be to the [scottish fanciers ] who keep feeding the hawks, do the english/welsh/irish not have birds eaten by hawks ? in ireland we shoot the fu-kers ;D
PATTY BHOY Posted February 24, 2009 Report Posted February 24, 2009 :oNever mind the crap scenario about Hawks, Raptures and Peregrines etc.!!!! Just when are / is anyone going to stand up and be counted??? Never it seems! All very well bleating and even ASKING for info, and What can be done, etc.? First thing is surely to get off you're *expletive removed* and 'Stand up to be counted'!!!! :'( :'( :'( Yes it's a crying shame A. that hawks are eating our birds alive Boo ooh! DO YOU REALLY CARE??? :-/ :-/ :-/ I doubt it!!! If one did, they would JOIN ME and the MP'S and E.M.P'S THAT WILL HELP if given a cause and a role to play – sure a platform for self interests, but just who give a S@@t! Seem that the Pigeon fraternity don’t! But you DON’T and won't and that's the sad fact!!! Aye are you waiting for the 'Knight In Shining white armour? Are you Dreaming * seems so!! Do you really expect any one to put their name to something that YOU don't even SUPPORT!!!! Get real here, just who will give a F@@@ if you don't???? No one, and why should they? Gosh if it's your pigeons feeding the RSPB BIRDS and you don't care WHY should anyone else? Psst! They won't and WHY should they? RSPB are making money from the raptures eating you’re birds.... Golly it's a free meal for goodness sake! We all want a free ride in life it seems.... But the Pigeon FATERNITY SUPPY it!!! Ands they laugh at us!!! Let’s face it why shouldn't they? They rake in the coinage and we pay... seems fair that to them! So stop bleating and accept.... after all you ARE to blame! That IS the sad fact! Evey day of every year you sit and feel sorry for yourselves! Every day every year you state what could and should be done VIA others. Time to get off your fat arses and did something for your selves!!! Psst! EHHH Ummm Er dum mer Am I think? Must be if you don’t realise by now that YOU!!!!! Have to help your selves and stand up and do something … or just shut up and stop moaning and needlessly bleating. After all you wish to do nowt! can the mp`s and other hangers on not put pressure on the Queen as she has all over control of laws and bylaws in the UK.SHE MUST BE LOSING BIRDS TO THESE F---ERS AS WELL.
Guest Posted February 24, 2009 Report Posted February 24, 2009 All very good and very well that they (the scottish fanciers) have kept feeding the sparrow hawks for 13yrs but when will they wake up? The RSPB have agreed to this research because while it is being carried out nothing else will be done but at the end of the research what will they do with it? My guess is NOTHING and all the do gooders who have helped feed the hawks will just be left with egg on their faces! JMO spot on who,s kidding who now iam not having a go at the shu infact they are the only union to try this but iam afraid they are up against very clever people here and they are only playing with them
pjc Posted February 24, 2009 Report Posted February 24, 2009 it doesn't take 13 years to find out whats going on! We can tell them in 5 minutes but if they (RSPB) can keep delaying an outcome for 13 years then how much longer can they get away with hogwashing the SHU?
Roland Posted February 25, 2009 Author Report Posted February 25, 2009 Well has the Queen ever Officially taken any time out regards Politics.... No of course not, and is not allowed to either... Charlie let's things slip or leak out. Not saying that the Queen wouldn't or couldn't have a word in an ear, or lend her name. But first off we need to get Politicians on board! It is as simple and straight forward as that! Then a 'Band Wagon' to ride on, and a 'Cow' to milk to hearts content. Again, a march on downing street and whatnot would get the media's attention for sure. Likewise would the P.R. Firm, which in all honesty should and could well be out first port of call. Yes a few letters drafted then and bombard every local M. P. and even E. M. P.'s. That latter costs nothing, and by law they HAVE to reply. 60,000 flyers, even a little quiddy each would not only have the cause up and running, but dodh for Advertising. ears to the press, and T.V. Coverage. Need to be put over just why that tempory Law of 1955 that should have ended in 1957 isn't been recinded, why it give a FALSE cotten emblanched ruling that it is illegal to shoot HAWKS! Maybe the law does now state that. Would actually like to see the RULING of where and when for starters.... Time the old little ladies stopped leaving the wealth to protect the finches and robins and TOLD the truth. P.R. Firm with a Automatic 'Think Tank' that is profesional can put across the truth in a way that Joe Plublic can understand and take on board! Then we will start to cook on gas.... untill then, I guess we will moan about the idle rich buisness man that has nohing to do, that should get off his jacksy and darn well sort it, why we continue to fornlornly and senselessly carry on spout the same ole rubbish and argue nonsense amongst our selves. PSSSsssst!!!! :-/ :o IT is getting no where, whilst the RSPB look in regularly for their' 'weekly laugh'! Just tell me how a little quiddy is too much to try and end this debacle of our birds being eaten alive!!! :-/
Guest Posted February 25, 2009 Report Posted February 25, 2009 Roly dont disagree about the politicians but they only say what you want to hear and most of them are prob high up in rspb if there is nothing in it for them they will do there usual ans. a question with a question wast of time i will try and paste a thing about them sums them up
Guest Posted February 25, 2009 Report Posted February 25, 2009 An Israeli doctor said, 'Medicine in my country is so advanced, we can take a kidney out of one person, put it in another, and have him looking for work in six weeks'. A German doctor said, 'That's nothing! In Germany , we can take a lung out of one person, put it in another, and have him looking for work in four weeks'. A Russian doctor said, 'In my country medicine is so advanced, we can take half a heart from one person, put it in another, and have them both looking for work in two weeks'. The English doctor, not to be outdone, said 'Hah!. We can take two arseholes out of Scotland , put them in 10 & 11 Downing Street and have half the country looking for work within twenty-four hours'. does this sum them up and sorry sammy
just ask me Posted February 25, 2009 Report Posted February 25, 2009 An Israeli doctor said, 'Medicine in my country is so advanced, we can take a kidney out of one person, put it in another, and have him looking for work in six weeks'. A German doctor said, 'That's nothing! In Germany , we can take a lung out of one person, put it in another, and have him looking for work in four weeks'. A Russian doctor said, 'In my country medicine is so advanced, we can take half a heart from one person, put it in another, and have them both looking for work in two weeks'. The English doctor, not to be outdone, said 'Hah!. We can take two arseholes out of Scotland , put them in 10 & 11 Downing Street and have half the country looking for work within twenty-four hours'. does this sum them up and sorry sammy top class ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D am :'( with the ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Guest smudger1964 Posted February 25, 2009 Report Posted February 25, 2009 :oNever mind the crap scenario about Hawks, Raptures and Peregrines etc.!!!! Just when are / is anyone going to stand up and be counted??? Never it seems! All very well bleating and even ASKING for info, and What can be done, etc.? First thing is surely to get off you're *expletive removed* and 'Stand up to be counted'!!!! :'( :'( :'( Yes it's a crying shame A. that hawks are eating our birds alive Boo ooh! DO YOU REALLY CARE??? :-/ :-/ :-/ I doubt it!!! If one did, they would JOIN ME and the MP'S and E.M.P'S THAT WILL HELP if given a cause and a role to play – sure a platform for self interests, but just who give a S@@t! Seem that the Pigeon fraternity don’t! But you DON’T and won't and that's the sad fact!!! Aye are you waiting for the 'Knight In Shining white armour? Are you Dreaming * seems so!! Do you really expect any one to put their name to something that YOU don't even SUPPORT!!!! Get real here, just who will give a F@@@ if you don't???? No one, and why should they? Gosh if it's your pigeons feeding the RSPB BIRDS and you don't care WHY should anyone else? Psst! They won't and WHY should they? RSPB are making money from the raptures eating you’re birds.... Golly it's a free meal for goodness sake! We all want a free ride in life it seems.... But the Pigeon FATERNITY SUPPY it!!! Ands they laugh at us!!! Let’s face it why shouldn't they? They rake in the coinage and we pay... seems fair that to them! So stop bleating and accept.... after all you ARE to blame! That IS the sad fact! Evey day of every year you sit and feel sorry for yourselves! Every day every year you state what could and should be done VIA others. Time to get off your fat arses and did something for your selves!!! Psst! EHHH Ummm Er dum mer Am I think? Must be if you don’t realise by now that YOU!!!!! Have to help your selves and stand up and do something … or just shut up and stop moaning and needlessly bleating. After all you wish to do nowt! ;D ;D ;D why are you so concerned about getting us off our FAT ass what gives you the right saying we all got fat asses and shouting abuse at us like dogs who do you think you are then. the king of all pigeon flyers you can put your point across by all means but we all try to get thing done .no it dont happen over night as you said your running down us the flyer. we dont want it to happen to us we all do our bit one way or another, we are not the blame when it comes to feeding the hawks its nature we all have to eat yes on others expence one way or anther, if you would like us the pigeon flyers to help then dont call all of us out of name fat asses and being abusive.no wounder you havnt got any were..we are all here to help each other the best we can :-/
Guest Owen Posted February 25, 2009 Report Posted February 25, 2009 Roland, when I was at the Royal Welsh Show back last July, I visited a tent called The Song Bird Survival Trust. They feel much like us about the hawks. And they are opposed to the RSPB. They are looking for members and I know that they have a lot of gamekeeper type people involved. It might be an idea to make contact with them and see how far they have got and what their plans are. The one big benefit about getting in with them would be that they have an organisation up and running. It could save us time. Regarding your idea about contacting Politicians. I think you are on the right lines but a bit previous. Why not lobby our RPRA reps. so that they will put pressure on the organisation to help with money to fund some publicity. It would be a logical place to start and it would have the advantage of finding out if you can get the suport you need before you try to go big.
just ask me Posted February 25, 2009 Report Posted February 25, 2009 i think its a complete waste of time going down the politacans route its time we all done our own thing simple as its amazing what a few pll can do with a few hours every sunday i know ive seen the benifits we all know what to do
jimmy white Posted February 25, 2009 Report Posted February 25, 2009 An Israeli doctor said, 'Medicine in my country is so advanced, we can take a kidney out of one person, put it in another, and have him looking for work in six weeks'. A German doctor said, 'That's nothing! In Germany , we can take a lung out of one person, put it in another, and have him looking for work in four weeks'. A Russian doctor said, 'In my country medicine is so advanced, we can take half a heart from one person, put it in another, and have them both looking for work in two weeks'. The English doctor, not to be outdone, said 'Hah!. We can take two arseholes out of Scotland , put them in 10 & 11 Downing Street and have half the country looking for work within twenty-four hours'. does this sum them up and sorry sammy ;D ;D ;D
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