BOP Action or not?

[Guest]

Well guys, we've all talked the talk and its pretty much done and dusted that there's a hell of a problem we all face so are we going to walk the walk instead of talking the talk?   I said I was happy for one to get involved by getting a website set up but don't want to step on the toes of those who've thought of the idea in the past.  So here's my view, if we are to be serious on this matter, even if its just a website for now how about giving some feedback on what design you guys would think could put our point across and does anyone have any decent pictures of attacks on pigeons that won't breach coypright etc?

 

I thought about going it alone but then though nope, thats wrong, we need to form a team of people who won't just talk the talk as good as it is, we need people to walk the walk and start fighting back once and for all.  

 

Any takers?

[Guest bigda]

well done for your effort mate,  but you can count me out,  as i have asked on this site

what would be the  best day of the year, annually to hold a national  jacket day and  still no response, as they cant be  ar-sed     in all i was  wanting it to be known in the UK on a  specific day every year, that all members could  put a jacket or 2 on birds that day  and there  every year after, to show the rspb we are serious about whats happening to the wild birds,  never got one reply mate, as to it,   or even a poll  put up about it, think i will wait till the walls fall like the rest of them, first they came for them i did not know, then the came for him i didn't   ::)care,  then they came  for I it was to late :-/ ??)

 

[Guest]

I have to say, that I cannot see the point. I posted recently that if every member of the RPRA would/could convince one person who is a member or who donates to the RSPB not to contribute, then we would be hitting them where it hurts most. And guess what, NOT ONE RESPONSE. If pigeon men are not prepared to join forces and help themselves, what sense is there in a few well intentioned people making the effort while the majority just sit on their @rses and do SFA. Same old story......... Oh leave it someone else will do it. SAD BUT TRUE. If some of these pigeon men concentrated their efforts on trying to resolve this problem as a united group. rather than bickering amongst themselves, maybe we would get somewhere.

[pjc]

you belittled the previous thread to get a site up and running, so do as you please!

[Hogni]

Being a web and graphic designer, and i have a degree in marketing aswell just let me know if i can be of any help, id be glad to.

[Roland]

Yes, I am all for supporting a worthwhile course, and this is certainly one.

I also without hesitation believe that JerGre is 100%

But out side of him doing it.... it needs action. All well and good spouting about this and that.... but no one hardly bothers to stand up... let alone be counted.

Yes saw the re - vitalised Hawk Campaign did well.... Vallance brought it up.... then he and a couple of others spout that it 'Should be better to support the RPRA and such bodies in helping their' campaign' Ekk! What campaign!!.... None and well they know it.... Just re ash again every so often about a survey... Great all try and take a minute and send a email stating that you support their campaign.... if ever they get one.

Call voicing nowt and passing buck. None are really bother.... most don't even attend club meetings.... but whinge and spout what others could and should do.

Still I voiced my thoughts and concerns not so long ago on the Hawk Campaign that will never take off.... So as such, leave me out. I will sort out what I can legally. Will keep my numbers  - of birds - down by using an Anti Mating Jacket and do what ever else is legal.

[Guest]

well done for your effort mate,  but you can count me out,  as i have asked on this site

what would be the  best day of the year, annually to hold a national  jacket day and  still no response, as they cant be  ar-sed     in all i was  wanting it to be known in the UK on a  specific day every year, that all members could  put a jacket or 2 on birds that day  and there  every year after, to show the rspb we are serious about whats happening to the wild birds,  never got one reply mate, as to it,   or even a poll  put up about it, think i will wait till the walls fall like the rest of them, first they came for them i did not know, then the came for him i didn't   ::)care,  then they came  for I it was to late :-/ ??)

 

I know the feeling you have there mate and I feel like just giving up if there's no support which is why I asked.   The way I look at it is that those who can't be ar-sed as you righlty put it won't get any help if needed because there's no way should people just sit back and take without giving.   I was just thinking that if we at least started the ball rolling on something that it might, just might gather some momentum.

 

I hope good bird men like yourself and others will change their minds one day and we can get as many on board as we can.   We can at least show a token presence for the time being and then who knows so I ain't ruling you out even if your rightly dejected at the moment.  

 

 

[Guest]

 

Tend to agree Bob

 

I tried to get the idea going last time when as i have said before i have never had problems with any type of hawk around home although maybe this will change now im in the sticks.

 

When there is enough interest and desire from enough members and in paticular those suffering from the hawks then i will support it in anyway possible and if that was to include a majority locking there pigeons up for one year then so be it i will follow suit.

 

Until then i guess the best thing is for those with the problems to carry on talking about them whilst the problems they have get more and more out of control.

 

 

That's the problem Chris, we can't wait on people to become interested you have to show the way forward and as much as I feel for you not getting any success when you tried last time if we keep trying eventually we'll get through.  

 

You made my mind up with your last sentence where you said people those with problems to carry on talking instead of doing something about it, people will come on board eventually, or at least that's my hope.

 

pjc;  I never deliberately belittled yours or any other thread PJC I just speak my mind please or offend, but if that's how you took it then my apologies.  

 

Roland, It only takes one to start the ball rolling, we've had nothing tangible yet except lots of talk and no action, a few of us clearly want to do something so lets get ahead and do it, then hopefully others will follow.  

 

Hogni, sending you a p.m.

 

 

[Roland]

Being a web and graphic designer, and i have a degree in marketing aswell just let me know if i can be of any help, id be glad to.

 

Great, and concrete action.

That's 6 altogether I know that will actually do sommat...

the rest zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

Welll :-/ :o

[Guest]

Balls already in motion, does anyone have any good images of BOP attacks?

[b.massey]

I'd be happy to support anything that happens.... Need to take steps now as I can see in 5 years thu uk pigeon fanciers not being able to let there birds out as bop population is getting bigger and BIGGER each year... Its already tough now so imagine 5 years down the line  

[Guest]

I have already offered my help in the past but to be honest I am limited financially and also care for a disabled wife. However if there is anything I can do to help, ASK and I will do all I can.

[Guest]

I have already offered my help in the past but to be honest I am limited financially and also care for a disabled wife. However if there is anything I can do to help, ASK and I will do all I can.

 

p.m sent.

 

 

[Guest]

pm received  ;D

[Swifts]

Pigeon fanciers as an isolated organisation are going to get nowhere by screaming "death to all raptors" in outraged voices and plastering the media with graphic images. There is a sensible way to deal with this that will benefit all causes even if it takes an indirect route to pigeon fancying. I am speaking on behalf of falconers, for falconry. I am not a spy from the RSPB or a windup merchant. Falconers have become sick and tired of dabbling muppets who go out and buy raptors on impulse with no prior knowledge of how to train or care for them (you don't need a licence to own a captive bred BOP in the UK at the moment) . These people are bringing our sport into dispute. Therefore falconers are lobbying for a change in legislation concerning all raptors, whether wild or captive bred. We are suggesting that there should be an apprenticeship scheme similar to that in the USA and Ireland. This will allow only federally licenced falconers to own birds, and these birds will be a choice of indigenous species that will be taken sustainably from the wild. This means there will be significantly less incompetent novices in our sport, and falconers will be responsible for sustainably controlling the wild raptor population. I find it hard to believe that the government would rather see raptors dead than in the hands of falconers. I believe that with the support of pigeon fanciers, game keepers and poultry keepers, we could present a united front which would provide the bodies concerned with a fairly solid argument which would be beneficial to all involved.

[knoxjn]

i have noticed a few people talking about jackets what are these ?have used  terror eyes in the past and they seemed to work

[Roland]

i have noticed a few people talking about jackets what are these ?have used  terror eyes in the past and they seemed to work

 

Nah they don't for long, another myth!!!  :-/ :o

But the Arabs have used Anti Mating jackets to very good use for hundreds of years.

[Roland]

Pigeon fanciers as an isolated organisation are going to get nowhere by screaming "death to all raptors" in outraged voices and plastering the media with graphic images. There is a sensible way to deal with this that will benefit all causes even if it takes an indirect route to pigeon fancying. I am speaking on behalf of falconers, for falconry. I am not a spy from the RSPB or a windup merchant. Falconers have become sick and tired of dabbling muppets who go out and buy raptors on impulse with no prior knowledge of how to train or care for them (you don't need a licence to own a captive bred BOP in the UK at the moment) . These people are bringing our sport into dispute. Therefore falconers are lobbying for a change in legislation concerning all raptors, whether wild or captive bred. We are suggesting that there should be an apprenticeship scheme similar to that in the USA and Ireland. This will allow only federally licenced falconers to own birds, and these birds will be a choice of indigenous species that will be taken sustainably from the wild. This means there will be significantly less incompetent novices in our sport, and falconers will be responsible for sustainably controlling the wild raptor population. I find it hard to believe that the government would rather see raptors dead than in the hands of falconers. I believe that with the support of pigeon fanciers, game keepers and poultry keepers, we could present a united front which would provide the bodies concerned with a fairly solid argument which would be beneficial to all involved.

 

Gosh you don't half talk a load of cobblers, and dish out crap.

Strange when I am on their sies, when I was in the states, no FANCIERS has ever seen or heard, let alone such P***. Carry on taking the Michael, your mealy mouth will run dry.

Gosh what your Mother should be accounted for eh :o

 

[les]

I WOULD JUST LIKE TO SAY ,I HAVE DONE MY BIT ,[THE ANTI MATING JACKETS] but i cant make every one use them ,mor,s the pity ,any way untill that day happens i will keep on doing my thing ,like a lot has said [pigeon people are their own worst enemy ,they got big buts and cant get out of a chair ]ATB les.