Save And Protect British Song Birds Society

[Turk]

i also note the bad publicity constantly pushed out  about us fanciers, Persecution of peregrine falcons by elements of the pigeon racing fraternity.does he have proof of this ????????????

[Guest numpty01]

what you all must remmber the owl in bristol was due for removal by rspb as it was danger its only when publicity and few calls to newspaper were made did they attemp to reverse on their comments yet its dead and they did state it would be monitored  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;Daye till none around :-/ :-/

[pjc]

should campaign for them to release another pair as they were a site to behold on the Bristol Skyline!

[Roland]

Mike Tyson is a friend / aquaintance of a amate of mine namely an ex Boxer who fought under the name of Joe Falcom via Leicester. A nearer boxing name, also who also fought out of leicester, with a bit more chance could be Tony Sibson, whose father flew right up till his passing 2 seasons ago.

[Roland]

Any way not in the slightest frightened of Tyson... would say and speak exactly how and what I felt to him .... just pass the phone lol   ;D ;D ;D

[chickadee]

Any way not in the slightest frightened of Tyson... would say and speak exactly how and what I felt to him .... just pass the phone lol   ;D ;D ;D

 

You big woman you ;D

[Guest numpty01]

Letters

Birds of prey

 

Wednesday, 05 August 2009

 

 

 

THE recent letter from Chris Maidstone of Caldicot, regarding songbirds is at best misleading. While I respect his right to have a point of view the facts need a greater understanding.

Firstly to have a healthy population of predators such as the sparrow hawk and peregrine you need to have an ample supply of prey items. To state that the numbers of predators is out of control is wrong. When the numbers of prey items have fallen to a point that there is not enough food about then the numbers of predators will also drop.

During the period when DDT was having such a bad effect on peregrines, the generally accepted numbers of successfully breeding peregrines had fallen to less than 100 pairs. Other species at the top of the food chain were suffering similar problems.

It would be expected that the populations of their prey would increase. This was not the case. The populations of many smaller birds have shown a continued decline in their numbers over many decades.

During the years of the population crash peregrines suffered there were calls from some groups that there were too many peregrines and that numbers should be controlled. These groups still would like to see a reduction in the peregrine populations. To what level, I ask as in the 1950-60’s they claimed 100 successful pairs were too many. In many places there is illegal poisoning and shooting of peregrines.

Over many years studies before during and after the use of DDT and other pesticides, the tit population in a wood near Oxford showed that despite the changes in sparrow hawk numbers, the numbers of tits successfully breeding was generally limited by suitable breeding sites, i.e. holes in trees or nest boxes. Predators were having little or no overall effect.

During a study of house sparrows living in urban areas, that have suffered a huge decline in their numbers over recent years, it was found that many newly hatched young were dying in the nest box, from possible starvation.

Although house sparrows mainly eat seed when adult, during the early stages of a sparrow’s life the adults feed the young small aphids and insects. The study  noted that many gardens have less greenery in them suitable for aphids etc having been laid down to parking areas and patios and along with chemicals designed to kill these “pests†this has reduced the amount of food for young sparrows.

It should be noted that general loss of suitable habitat is the wider cause of not only songbird decline but many other species of wildlife as well.

The delightful tits, sparrows and other birds that delight so many in our gardens when visiting our bird tables are taking advantage of an unnaturally high amount of food resulting in the same high numbers of birds in a small area. It is only to be expected for a predator to take advantage of this unnatural situation. While during the winter the tits and other song bids will delight in the food we put out for them they too are predators eating caterpillars’ of delightful butterflies and moths that dance around our gardens in the summer. i have removed the writers name and adress???

 

 

 

Share This Article   this is reply to one of letters i put in paper we will see what others matirialise i shall reply to this one this week

[Guest numpty01]

but you may note there is no mention of the perigrin i commented on killed in reserve ?????? not? or any mention of the amount of breeding pairs in this area yet the writer is member of the rspb strange that one ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

[Guest bristolkev]

had a reply today by letter from my local MP.....sent her the petition and other info on BOP.

 

 

 

Dawn Primarolo

Labour MP for Bristol South

www.bristolsouth la bou rpa rty.o rg. u k

 

Constituency Office

PO Box 1002, Bristol, BS99 1WH 01179090063 (10am-1pm)

p ri ma rolod@parliament.uk

 

DP /cm/WINT01022/01091518

 

 

Dear Mr Wintle

 

6 July 2009

 

Thank you for your email in connection with your concerns about Britain's songbird

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population.

I confirm that I have written to raise this matter with the Department for Environment, Food & Rural Affairs. I will let you know when I receive a response but please do not hesitate to contact me in the meantime should the need arise.

 

 

Dawn Primarolo

Labour MP for Bristol South

I may contact you with further information on this and other issues. If you would prefer not to receive these updates, please write to me at the above address.

 

had a second letter today from my local MP with a letter from DEFRA attached to it.

 

here it is

 

 

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Rt Hon Dawn Primarolo MP Constituency Office

 

PO Box 1002

 

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Your ref: DP/cm/WINT01 022/01 091518 Our ref: MC 141937

 

From Huw Irranca-Davies

 

Minister for Marine and Natural Environment

 

Thank you for your letter of 6 July to Jim Fitzpatrick enclosing a copy of an email from your constituent  about the decline in songbirds.

All wild birds are protected under the Wildlife and Countryside Act 1981 ("the Act"), which implements the EC Wild Birds Directive in Great Britain. The 1981 Act's provisions provide a powerful framework for the conservation of wild birds, their eggs, nests and habitats.

I am aware that certain songbird populations have declined, but there are likely to be many reasons for these declines including changes to habitat, available nesting sites, food availability (which for insect eating birds may be affected by the weather), pollution or predation (by a range of species, including other birds, stoats, weasels, cats) etc.

Birds of Conservation Concern - the population status of birds in the United Kingdom ("BoCC") was published by the UK's leading bird conservation organisations in early 2009 and reviews the status of the birds that occur regularly in the UK. BoCC assesses bird species against certain criteria and species are then placed on red, amber or green lists. The cuckoo was added to the "red list" in 2009 and the BoCC Review notes that along with 3 other long distance migrants, that it is not yet possible to disentangle the effects of a range of pressures on the breeding grounds, migration routes and wintering grounds, and that the increased concern for these long-distance migrants hints at potential issues outside the UK.There would be little value in Government tackling one small aspect of a much wider problem, particularly as there is no conclusive evidence that raptor predation has had a significant effect on songbird numbers; indeed, the evidence suggests that bird numbers within certain raptors' preferred environments have increased.

you may wish to know that several species of songbirds (e.g. song thrush, warblers, larks, buntings, cuckoo) are listed on the UK Biodiversity Action Plan (BAP) which aims to provide for their conservation by tackling the main threats they face. Through habitat management, the cirl bunting, for example, has seen its numbers increase from 188 breeding pairs in 1989 to about 700 pairs. The entire UK BAP priority list has grown to 1149 species and 65 habitats, and work is ongoing to determine the best ways in which to deliver the action required to safeguard these species and habitats, and ultimately to help them recover to the point where they can be removed from the list.

 

                                                HUW IRRANCA-DA VIES

 

talking more s**t!!!

 

 

[Guest numpty01]

they seem to be all talking sh** to me in conversations i have had peaple seem to be brain washed into the ways and words of rspb and quoate books and figures but when you point out that they should see the world around them they act dumb  :-/ :-/ :-/ :-/ :-/

[Guest bigda]

as what has already been said on here  before the  use of  DTT  the effects are  this killed  insect life that  in the 60s would have meant less small birds, then to  add  kill them, if the  DTT was poisonous to  birds so there must have been poisoned   small birds that the  bops ate, but never a word said in aiding the rare birds, and no help been offer or given to the birds that suffered from the  DTT like the  cuckoo, thrush, blackbird, sparrow,  finches , and all the rest of the farm and land birds and it is now obvious that the help given to the bops  is  now   having  a worse effect than DTT  it self on  song birds and they cant recover due to the  amount of bops  who have no enemies them self but are at large to  ravage the bird population at will :-/

[OLDYELLOW]

Ballance of nature

 

 

during the last few weeks i have seen a large increase in aphids hover flies and butterflies , why are these so many ? well the reason is these insect lava burrow into the grown and small birds such as tits ectra eat them reducing there numbers , this is the reason for them to be in large abundant numbers . Farmers naturaly rely on small birds to remove such aphids, moths  and butterflies also the gardeners friend removing slugs and snails . The next step will be the farmers will have to resort to using more pesticides which will in turn reduce the small birds further and threaten bops with poisoning , when man tampers with his enviroment the ballance of nature gets upset we need to seriously restore the balance of nature there are simply too many preditors and not enough food and this needs to be restored before we loose important wildlife forever , all wildlife is a part of a very important eco system once gone the knock on effect upsets the ballance of nature one animal / insect / bird group effects all overs . As most of these folk say the bops arent making a great deal of damages wheres your proof whats the numbers ? well one its impossible to count the devistation on a national scale but they can look out there window and do there own count , theres no blue tits no wrens and not many of the once common garden birds left , the goverment needs to act now before its too late .