Setting the reality straight.

[sammy]

yes  rolland but i  still think bobs idea is a better bet,  as  the impact will be immediate, and will not cost £15,000 as the members will only be paying union fees for the two years, and  for the cause might have them reduced, and for the members that don't like the idea of been told not to fly there birds it will be simple, if you don't conform to democracy, don't expect to race birds in the clubs who are prepared to  sacrifice 2 year  restrictions, this would not be  a problem if made compulsive by any  defra acting body, so i don't see it being a problem with the 4 unions just rules and regulations thats all  

 

is that what you are going to do bigda stop racing for 2 year then

[Guest stb]

 

is that what you are going to do bigda stop racing for 2 year then

everyone would need to do it to make it work :-/

 

 

[white logan]

everyone would need to do it to make it work :-/

 

 

that right , and that would create the impact that is needed

[Guest]

everyone would need to do it to make it work :-/

 

Yes they would and I'm betting that those that talk about doing it wouldn't be the first to set an example for others to follow.   The reality of it is that many, in fact most live for the raceday when they sit in the shed waiting for their bird to turn up, take that away from them even for two years and it would be like taking away their reason to live.  As much as the chance of it working is there if every single person stopped, I don't believe it would though for reasons mentioned in an earlier post, people will never subscribe to the idea not in a million years.  

 

 

[Guest strapper]

ill be honest i wouldnt ..i would end my association with the birds, if it came to not being able to do what i do now,for two years.

[chickadee]

So as most don't care to, or wish to do what the RSPB / RSPCA state is a proven deterrent, one must take other roads and avenues in regards our plight.

RSPB too big and connected and will roll right over us. Maybe :-/ maybe not. Who won when David fought Goliath? The fellow from the council flat that took on abe beat McDonalds - albeit a few years etc. etc.

Lets put straight on thing that a post stated RSPB have £21 million a year coming that £21.000.000 for emphasise. It's not. it is £100 million, that’s £100.000.000 for emphasise and another annual average of £21 million on average bequeathed.

That doesn't make them above he law. That doesn't make them right.... granted they can grease a few palms and tickle a few ears....

However when a sensible and presentable body puts forth this to the general public, an explains just why they are donating this colossal sum to destroy the very thing that donate to protect I.e their garden birds, their countryside etc. etc. one will see that many will not tolerate this.

I don't - personally - wish to follow others concerns, bodies down well-trodden paths leading to a brick wall.

Further a poster stated that £30,000 - £45,000 for a P.R. Firm to act on our behalf and in our interests.

This is in correct. The scale starts from 'Up to a £1000, and then around £15000 per annum to actually do every thing we feel is needed and should be done.

There is so much more the P.O.B are devising and working on. But like the 'Hare and Tortoise' this will take time, effort and common sense with intelligent and worthwhile input from many different fields and slants and views. Then making the right, and all important decisions and following them through.

 

One of the best thing would be to discredit the propaganda of the RSPB, their pamphlets show nice little song birds and cute ducks yet they spend vast amounts of money protecting POB and buying up land and endorsing feed products for song birds and blame farming and population explosion for decrease in habitat.

Hit them where it hurts most people "in the pocket" pigeons will never gain public support, we can't even support our own causes without bickering:(

[Guest stb]

Yes they would and I'm betting that those that talk about doing it wouldn't be the first to set an example for others to follow.   The reality of it is that many, in fact most live for the raceday when they sit in the shed waiting for their bird to turn up, take that away from them even for two years and it would be like taking away their reason to live.  As much as the chance of it working is there if every single person stopped, I don't believe it would though for reasons mentioned in an earlier post, people will never subscribe to the idea not in a million years.  

 

your probably right m8 and pigeon racing wont last another 10 if they dont.

 

They may aswell enjoy the short fix while its there. :-/

 

 

[Guest bigda]

Yes they would and I'm betting that those that talk about doing it wouldn't be the first to set an example for others to follow.   The reality of it is that many, in fact most live for the raceday when they sit in the shed waiting for their bird to turn up, take that away from them even for two years and it would be like taking away their reason to live.  As much as the chance of it working is there if every single person stopped, I don't believe it would though for reasons mentioned in an earlier post, people will never subscribe to the idea not in a million years.  

 

 

if your forced  to do something, you will comply, or no racing in any fed at all, or under any union rules, democracy with  teeth ;D one out all out  no scabing

[white logan]

 

if your forced  to do something, you will comply, or no racing in any fed at all, or under any union rules, democracy with  teeth ;D one out all out  no scabing

 

that is the only way ,..........no scabing

[sammy]

 

One of the best thing would be to discredit the propaganda of the RSPB, their pamphlets show nice little song birds and cute ducks yet they spend vast amounts of money protecting POB and buying up land and endorsing feed products for song birds and blame farming and population explosion for decrease in habitat.

Hit them where it hurts most people "in the pocket" pigeons will never gain public support, we can't even support our own causes without bickering:(

 

thats exactly what is needed and trust a women to think about it ??? remember ma bottle of vodie next week  

[Guest big pete]

 

that is the only way ,..........no scabing

 

does that mean you wont be sending for 2 years john?

[Guest stb]

 

One of the best thing would be to discredit the propaganda of the RSPB, their pamphlets show nice little song birds and cute ducks yet they spend vast amounts of money protecting POB and buying up land and endorsing feed products for song birds and blame farming and population explosion for decrease in habitat.

Hit them where it hurts most people "in the pocket" pigeons will never gain public support, we can't even support our own causes without bickering:(

And how would you acheive that as its a very big propaganda machine :-/

 

 

[vanreets]

And how would you acheive that as its a very big propaganda machine :-/

 

 

;)

[white logan]

 

does that mean you wont be sending for 2 years john?

 

yeh , sooner sit there with a catapult than send them

[vanreets]

 

yeh , sooner sit there with a catapult than send them

 

:( :( :(

[Guest big pete]

 

:( :( :(

 

do you never have anything constructive to add only smiles? my mate john wont like that

[white logan]

 

do you never have anything constructive to add only smiles? my mate john wont like that

 

hey pete i dont mind negativity (as you well know) but smilies   :D :D

[vanreets]

 

do you never have anything constructive to add only smiles? my mate john wont like that

 

works a treat when you dont understand lol ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

[Roland]

Yes Bigda, and in reality you have more chance of driving a herd of elephants up a wasps backside that getting even an acknowledgement, even 2% considering it let alone  think about doing it.  So what does it matter if it's a good idea, that all it is and unfortunately ever will be.And well you know. So you dream on, and while your at it, I'll buy out the Sultan of Bruini and the top FIVE football teams in each  and every footballing country and have a tournement well I pay every player £3 million each per day while they wait around to play in a round - a -bout knockout league. Then they will really start to earn money.

Hope you land soft when you fall out of bed and wake up.  And no disrespect to Bob, but Bilco and I and several others have wasted 10 years trying to get fanciers even to listen to the idea. I posted time here before Bob on this very site.

They won't, you wont, I've forget it, others won't even bother to hear of it, and you ... well  you will just play the next round of tosh I guess and do nowt!

[Guest stb]

Yes Bigda, and in reality you have more chance of driving a herd of elephants up a wasps backside that getting even an acknowledgement, even 2% considering it let alone  think about doing it.  So what does it matter if it's a good idea, that all it is and unfortunately ever will be.And well you know. So you dream on, and while your at it, I'll buy out the Sultan of Bruini and the top FIVE football teams in each  and every footballing country and have a tournement well I pay every player £3 million each per day while they wait around to play in a round - a -bout knockout league. Then they will really start to earn money.

Hope you land soft when you fall out of bed and wake up.  And no disrespect to Bob, but Bilco and I and several others have wasted 10 years trying to get fanciers even to listen to the idea. I posted time here before Bob on this very site.

They won't, you wont, I've forget it, others won't even bother to hear of it, and you ... well  you will just play the next round of tosh I guess and do nowt!

when theres only 2% left it may be considered ;)

 

 

[Guest bigda]

yep tossh,  it might  well be,  but should it come to a vote from the four unions to make an announcement, what would be  my next hurdle, taking in all the support that you have amassed  in you  campaign, while dreams of yesteryears, to have such an announcement on a vote would you and yours support it 100%.

[sammy]

Facts about the RSPB

Over a million members, including over 170,000 youth members.

A staff of over 1,300 people and over 13,000 volunteers.

Resources available for charitable purposes in 2007 was £78.6 million.

200 nature reserves covering 130,000 hectares home to 80% of our rarest or most threatened bird species.

A UK headquarters, three national offices and nine regional offices.

A local network of 175 local groups and more than 110 youth groups.

At least 9 volunteers for every paid member of staff.

 

I have just copied the above information from the RSPB site, so they have a million members at £36 per annum subs, that adds up to a tidy income....WOW copied from else where

[pjc]

Facts about the RSPB

Over a million members, including over 170,000 youth members.

A staff of over 1,300 people and over 13,000 volunteers.

Resources available for charitable purposes in 2007 was £78.6 million.

200 nature reserves covering 130,000 hectares home to 80% of our rarest or most threatened bird species.

A UK headquarters, three national offices and nine regional offices.

A local network of 175 local groups and more than 110 youth groups.

At least 9 volunteers for every paid member of staff.

 

I have just copied the above information from the RSPB site, so they have a million members at £36 per annum subs, that adds up to a tidy income....WOW copied from else where

 

 

You ask pigeon fanciers to pay £36 RPRA subs, let alone the club fees and 50% + would pack in!

 

[sammy]

 

 

You ask pigeon fanciers to pay £36 RPRA subs, let alone the club fees and 50% + would pack in!

 

only pointing out that that is what we are up against so count it all up phil

[Guest IB]

Why have the reports not been made public or have they and if so where can you get a copy of this?  

 

You may have missed it, it was well covered in BHW for years 2000/2004 when report was published. The SHU disputed the findings as the goal-posts were changed during the survey, without consultating them. I tried to upload the file, at 2Mb its maybe too big. There is also another bit of research going on this year on sparrowhawk relocation.