all please read this ! BOP

[Roland]

http://www.defra.gov.uk/foodfarm/farmanimal/diseases/vetsurveillance/poultry/documents/poultry-register.pdf

But though livestock, the class within doesn't cater for us, unless kept for feeding / food.

I suppose it isn't beyong the realms to argue that they need, to be exeise in order to be top flight on te table...  :-/

[ch pied]

they are top of the menue in the rest of europe ;D ;D ;D ;D

[willow]

And you get pigeon breast in a lot of resturants also  or in recipe books .........I am sure we can do something as everyone is very positive , Good night and thank you to everyone Avril x

[Taylorsloft]

they are top of the menue in the rest of europe ;D ;D ;D ;D

and mine  :X

 

 

[Guest Davy Fleming]

Still think having a documentary made is best if we can convince someone to come and do it

[Taylorsloft]

Still think having a documentary made is best if we can convince someone to come and do it

 

we need to do as much as we can. ive posted on face book birds of prey are killing our song birds

[Guest Davy Fleming]

Well done to all and sure you will have all the support needed . Good Luck and look forward to this new proposed site

[Glancy+Jones]

seen a perigrine this morning eating a black headed gull on dumbarton common.

unusual but at least it wasnt a pigeon!

[DOVEScot]

 

we need to do as much as we can. ive posted on face book birds of prey are killing our song birds

 

Do yo have a link?

[DOVEScot]

http://www.defra.gov.uk/foodfarm/farmanimal/diseases/vetsurveillance/poultry/documents/poultry-register.pdf

But though livestock, the class within doesn't cater for us, unless kept for feeding / food.

I suppose it isn't beyong the realms to argue that they need, to be exeise in order to be top flight on te table...  :-/

 

A lot of fanciers make money out of pigeons they may be classed as livestock. What about if you are a stud or a release business then your birds may be classed as livestock, what about if you sell ten ybs then it may be the same :-/

[Guest Owen]

Well les you sound and act like a clown to me. I do not know who you think you can impress with your bad manners and threats. Certainly not me. There are good people on here who are trying to find a way to deal with a serious problem. Can I suggest that if you want to go off and use differant ways to deal with the problem of BOPs, then why not go off and do it.

I think we should stop encouraging you and others like you to bring our sport into disrepute. I have found that all serious problems eventually get solved by agreement and compromise. And this problem will be no differant. Of course we can act like a bunch of thugs and try to force the issue but, if we do, I am convinced that any gains will be short term and will result in turning the Public against us.

So I hope that the good people that are trying to work out how we can achieve results, well not be put off by the negitives which are continually churned out by some. As I have already said, I will pledge my suport to Avril and hope that the majorty will do the same. It would be nice if the Clowns would go off and do their own thing, but I doubt if we will be that lucky.    

[THE FIFER]

 

we need to do as much as we can. ive posted on face book birds of prey are killing our song birds

 

you also get those stickers for your car. i have one on mine for ages, says just as above

[Guest lenwadebob]

 

you also get those stickers for your car. i have one on mine for ages, says just as above

 

where can we get them Archie, any link you can put up please

[Taylorsloft]

 

Do yo have a link?

 

it was on my home page /we need to start a cause on face book and get people to join it  

[Roland]

 

A lot of fanciers make money out of pigeons they may be classed as livestock. What about if you are a stud or a release business then your birds may be classed as livestock, what about if you sell ten ybs then it may be the same :-/

 

Dovescote, WE ARE classed as 'Livestock'! It is under what Catograthy Dafra has placed us, and what they will accept.

Best you look it up and read through DAFRA in this regards.

The problem is that 'Livestock' have different functions and purposes.

Supplying to the 'Trade' for feed is great .... If it was accepted. Which means that CERTAIN types of pigeons would be acceptable, and others not! There are  - off hand 5000 odd different species etc. and about 3 that would - as it stands at present - be acceptable.

Now that is easy to understand. Further the goverment ministers are certainly not stupid, and personally I don't think you would be able to pull the wool over their' eyes in this regards.

So yes, Pigeon are livestock. No they aren't warrented to deem protection  under 'Livestock.

And we can do and claim and put all the scenario's forward we like. At end of day DAFRA have the final say and would have to be convinced.

[DOVEScot]

 

it was on my home page /we need to start a cause on face book and get people to join it  

 

I found it on your home page but as you say you need to start a campaign to get it support :-/

[Roland]

Owen I agree with your ' .... I have found that all serious problems eventually get solved by agreement and compromise. And this problem will be no differant....'

But mostly it has also had some levying added to put wieght upon the 'Bigger' guy to get him around the table. Yes, needn't put up any as they are well known in so very many fields etc.

A couple, Nye Bevin, and all time great had to sugar the pot for the 'Medical Board' to accept working with the NHS.

Likewise when the USA rengaded on thier promise of the £8 billion we needed... we said 'Fine' but we will never stand again at your side in a war'. They recinded. etc. etc.

Simple reality, I believe, is tha if the likes of Bilco, and Les, and many more of course, had been taken notice of, then the RSPB would have been asking us to sit around a table.

The 1955 passing of protection of B.O.P for two years would have ended in 1957 as intended. Indeed I would argue the case that that very law is obsolete.... but would cost too much to get it recinded as agreed.

Ghandi said. He who wields the big stick against a lesser opponent, be i man or country may get their way .... but won't win the arguement, or change the either views# But then such as the likes of the RSPB do they care. USA do they care whether it is right or wrong when out of order? :-/

I fear not. Fingers in the air and up yours they laugh, because regardless they ARE getting their own way'.

We lost time, and are lagging again in a 'Band wagon' year of electro voting

[DOVEScot]

 

Dovescote, WE ARE classed as 'Livestock'! It is under what Catograthy Dafra has placed us, and what they will accept.

Best you look it up and read through DAFRA in this regards.

The problem is that 'Livestock' have different functions and purposes.

Supplying to the 'Trade' for feed is great .... If it was accepted. Which means that CERTAIN types of pigeons would be acceptable, and others not! There are  - off hand 5000 odd different species etc. and about 3 that would - as it stands at present - be acceptable.

Now that is easy to understand. Further the goverment ministers are certainly not stupid, and personally I don't think you would be able to pull the wool over their' eyes in this regards.

So yes, Pigeon are livestock. No they aren't warrented to deem protection  under 'Livestock.

And we can do and claim and put all the scenario's forward we like. At end of day DAFRA have the final say and would have to be convinced.

 

DEFRA and the RSPB are a law unto themselves, we have protected sea eagles that are attacking lambs and as the numbers are not confirmed unless their is a scientific study carried out it will continue, http://news.scotsman.com/inverness/Angry-island-farmers-seek-compensation.6126343.jp we have protected giant ravens pecking out the eyes of sheep http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/2008/03/29/farmer-blames-giant-ravens-as-lambs-are-massacred-86908-20366545/ again unless numbers are confirmed the RSPB are allowed to protect them and DEFRA do nothing about it so it won't be easy getting protection for pigeons and any other bird unless we open up any campaign to involve all pigeon fanciers and the broader public :-/

[Taylorsloft]

 

I found it on your home page but as you say you need to start a campaign to get it support :-/

 

campaign now started on face book   ;)help save our song birds

[Guest Owen]

Roland, you are right of course. But this is a fight we can win, and we have to win. At this stage I think it is important not to try to influence matters by insisting that we take this or that line. I think you would agree that the first job is to get an organisation into place so that we have a body to work through and with. The next thing would be to agree on a Mission Statement so that we can all form up behind a cause we can identify with. And we then have to agree on a communications system so that we can stay in touch and stay informed. This will be difficult because of the distances involved. Looking at what Avril has said up to now, I hope she will take the lead for us and we can suport her as she sorts things out properly. And going back to people like les and Bilco. I think it is entirely understandable that they get angry and want to get on with a frontal attack. Especially as time goes on and there is more talk than action. But if we allow ourselves to gain bad publicity and alienate the Public we will have no chance. The last say in this matter will not be with RSPB or any of there pals, it will be with the Public. And, in my opinion that is something we should not forget.

[Taylorsloft]

 

campaign now started on face book   ;)help save our song birds

 

We need you to join this

[Guest thunderbird]

30.000odd rpra members whu??nehu?? ihu?? other unions ??? 700 signatures . an attack on the rspb doomed there has to be another stance on the way forward. i do sit here watching the comments and wonder how many of you signed the petition ??i can tell you that most were from Scotland only ten from wales????/

[Guest stb-]

30.000odd rpra members whu??nehu?? ihu?? other unions ??? 700 signatures . an attack on the rspb doomed there has to be another stance on the way forward. i do sit here watching the comments and wonder how many of you signed the petition ??i can tell you that most were from Scotland only ten from wales????/

 

To be honest m8 i never sighned the petition as i have never seen one to sighn :-/ :-/ :)

[dwh]

 

To be honest m8 i never sighned the petition as i have never seen one to sighn :-/ :-/ :)

 

nor me

[Guest thunderbird]

was in bhw for two weeks and on line for a month but hy its no problem there are other things in the pipeline involving feds ?????///