yb losses

[Guest Freebird]

Interesting thread.

 

Agree with most things,however all we talk about is why.We need to give more time and thought into the way forward,what we can do,how we can change things in order to reverse this trend.

 

My arguement has long since been we race at the wrong time, when things are against the birds.

 

Question in point being we have our young bird National in around two weeks,why are we doing this when the birds are naturally maulting and need looked after not sent 2550 miles +. This at the time of our newly aquired, moonsoon season in August and September.

 

Many of the questions possed above should have been addressed by the fancy and those in authority years ago.However there is a weaknes in our leadership,we have done it this way for years so we will continue.

 

What we need is an invitaion club of around 50 members who will turn the sport on its head,in a quest to save our sport.It can be done we just need to find enough people with thye will.

 

 

Good luck this weekend to all

 

 

Rab Smith (Lets do it)

Not a racer but think this is the best post I've read on P.B.

 

 

[Whats it called Cumbernauld]

Well thank you Freebird.

 

To many looking at the way things are now.everything is we cant do this, they will never do that.

 

This is our sport and we will do what we must  to come up with the answers in order to secure our sport.

 

Cheers

 

Rab

[hepste]

I think a lot has to do with our selection of birds to breed from.  If we selected birds to breed from that showed consistency throughout a season, over those pigeons that performed better but in only a small number of races, we would surely have more reliable young.  The fact is that most fanciers want to win, and in so doing, are willing to accept heavy losses.  You can't have your cake and eat it!

[mealy]

hi. evrery 1 thinks diffrent.. the darkness sistem has taken over, i fly naturel and u cant keep up as the races gets longer. the birds fall 2 bits if early bred......

[Whats it called Cumbernauld]

A lot in what you say,however to many old birds that have proved them selves time and time again, going missing. Though this is an alltogether different issue to our y/b problems.

[Whats it called Cumbernauld]

They are indeed falling apart,and do every year so how come we have our y/b national in two weeks and have done for years.

 

Time to change

[mealy]

there r alot off fanciers do not want there birds back when reported..... why not. they put other fanciers off reporting birds....

[mealy]

in this day and age the birds should not b put up in bad weather.... wee keep them for a couple off years, then they get put up in bad weather..... why

[Turk]

hi. evrery 1 thinks diffrent.. the darkness sistem has taken over, i fly naturel and u cant keep up as the races gets longer. the birds fall 2 bits if early bred......

 

i dont think any system matters natural or darkness ,theres simply too many birds lost week after week as many darkness birds as naturals .yes all unions shopuld be looking at ways of improving ways of trying to cut heavy losses everyweek .things need to change like posted earlier by someone why have a national race of 250 miles when most birds are dropping to bits ,its same as my federation have the longest young bird race as a federation race ,hardly anyones any birds to send they have all been wiped out ,why not change the federation races to earlier in the season at say 100 miles when theres plenty of birds to race against ,ive argued for years about this at the club ,we have federation races at 300 400 500 300 400 old birds no one sends to the longer races everyone sends to the shorter races same day ,this is just not my club its across the federation ,will they change the federation races no chance ,weve always done it this way ,yes when plenty of fanciers sent in excess of 5000 birds to federation races thirty years ago now there sending a couple of hundred .in my federation they should change the programme altogether ,maybe look at having young bird races earlier in the season most young birds are nearly eight months old before it starts then there falling to bits after a couple of races ,thats if your lucky enough to get them home .

the whole racing system needs dragging out the dark ages ,forget the fancier lets think about the birds first for once .

[frank-123]

honestly got to say this has been the best young bird season i have ever had my first time trying darkness

the birds look fitter and healthier

i started with 28 Yb's at the first race i have raced the first 5 races one to go i have 23 Yb's left lost three today i reckon lanarkshire Yb success is down to having the sky's to ourselves

we race three 66 miles then one 87 mile then today 117 mile race then next week 150 miles

the first four races the birds were dropping like a training toss even today the birds were a little more spread out but still returns were good

 

i always thought hawks was the problem but i reckon clashing is just as much to blame

 

[Whats it called Cumbernauld]

Good to here about your good season Bart,well done mate. One of the reasons for this as explained by youself is that Lanarkshire is one of the few progresive feds around, and of that you should be proud.

 

Would like to here your thoughts on as discussed why are wee keeping our birds in the dark for a race in September (National), when it could take place much earlier in the year.

 

As suggested above.

 

Cheers

[Guest Freebird]

this darkness thing can't surely be good for the birds in the long run. Would make more sense to bring the races into line with the general age of the birds participating.

[Whats it called Cumbernauld]

Funny story,

 

Many moons ago say 20/25 years.A young fancuier joined our club he was a boy of around 14.

 

In his first year he won 4 out of the 6 y/b races.

 

After his third win both myself and another local fancier visited his loft (Hut) no windows in complete darkness,like the old hands we were we advised the lad to open up his loft let some light on his birds.

 

Can not recall him winning again.So this darkness has been around for sometime in one form or another

[Turk]

the darkness system another forign import ,why do you need young birds on the darkness system to race 250 miles ,spending months locked in the dark mostly with poor ventilation causing all kinds of problems ,myself ive never bought into the darkness system but ive seen plenty that as and seen plenty of problems suffered with it .on the continent there big on the darkness system but there flying more longer races then us with young birds ,ok if your flying 300 400 miles and need the birds in tip top condition for that distance every other week or so .

[Whats it called Cumbernauld]

Our y/b national should be something any new start should  like to take part, we are not making it easy.

[frank-123]

when would you have the yb national ?

you would need to move the old birds back and its cold enough in april or would you start your yb earlier

or cut the old bird programme to fit a yb national in

you need a break between yb and old bird programme to get some training time for your ybs

 

just cant see how you could bring forward all all this change for one or two races

 

as for the darkness time will tell if it harms my chances in the future

[Novice]

honestly got to say this has been the best young bird season i have ever had my first time trying darkness

the birds look fitter and healthier

i started with 28 Yb's at the first race i have raced the first 5 races one to go i have 23 Yb's left lost three today i reckon lanarkshire Yb success is down to having the sky's to ourselves

we race three 66 miles then one 87 mile then today 117 mile race then next week 150 miles

the first four races the birds were dropping like a training toss even today the birds were a little more spread out but still returns were good

 

i always thought hawks was the problem but i reckon clashing is just as much to blame

 

 

I agree with this post in its entireity

 

[Whats it called Cumbernauld]

Start the y/b season early June national in July.

 

We start racing to early with o/b.

 

We could do any age racing together, seperate baskets from the end of May start of June.y/b National taking place within this system when the 250 mile stage comes around mid July.

[Turk]

Start the y/b season early June national in July.

 

We start racing to early with o/b.

 

We could do any age racing together, seperate baskets from the end of May start of June.y/b National taking place within this system when the 250 mile stage comes around mid July.

 

 

that idea would never work its too sensible .

[Whats it called Cumbernauld]

You right it will never work cause to many will look for problems with it.Two many scared or radical change.

 

One thing for sure, save on fuel bill for the year and fill the transporter up the way it should be.

 

You can be sure that the y/b will be home first 9 times out of 10.

 

The financial implications of this make it at least worthy of further consideration. As would the increase in numbers of birds on the same flight path

[Guest Freebird]

is there any mid-week racing nowadays? When I flew in 72 there was ( how time flies ). I don't really count here ( non racer ) but seems a lot has changed.

[Whats it called Cumbernauld]

You count just as much as anyone. But not enogh has changed

 

Unsure about mid week clubs now

[Guest chrisss]

is there any mid-week racing nowadays? When I flew in 72 there was ( how time flies ). I don't really count here ( non racer ) but seems a lot has changed.

 

non racer or not everybodies view counts,too many snobs, not enough go getters

[Turk]

is there any mid-week racing nowadays? When I flew in 72 there was ( how time flies ). I don't really count here ( non racer ) but seems a lot has changed.

 

mid week clubs seem to be declining like miler clubs seem to have died out .

[Whats it called Cumbernauld]

Your right mate forgot about the milers