whats more important

[Guest ROCKYandRAMBO]

none of the above as i only buy old birds i like to know its history and i like to buy pigeons that have won on the road and also breed winners thats my pedigree lol performance pigeons

[Guest JonesyBhoy]

none of the above as i only buy old birds i like to know its history and i like to buy pigeons that have won on the road and also breed winners thats my pedigree lol performance pigeons

 

If i had a good old bird that won on the road or a doo breeding winners.. it wouldn't be up for sale..!!!

[Guest stb-]

it depends if you want to race it or is it for the stock loft lets face it we all think we can tell a good pigeon when we handle it but how many times do you put winning races in a show only to be nowhere to 6 birds that will struggle at 50mls so do we realy know yes we can pick the type of bird that suits you 9 times out often that choice will be a likeness to your good birds so its the type we pick but lots of good racers dont handle well if its for stock its got to be the ped. and breeder  but there is 1 missing for raceing thats the basket

 

YOUR PEDIGREE IS KNOWING THE BREEDER FRANK AND ALSO HE,S THE BASKET.

 

When he can show you winning pigeons and there parents and bros and sist etc thats the pedigree  no a bit of paper that someone you dont know wrights down for you . JMO

[PIGEON_MAN]

PUT IT THIS WAY YOU WOULDENT BUY A BIRD FROM THE WORST FLYER IN YER CLUB WOULD YOU......... :-/

 

Doesnt mean the pigeons are crap.

[Guest stb-]

 

MY NICE SHOW DOOS HAVE DONE OK RACING AND THEY HAVE BRED WINNERS TAE :P :P

Aye but the huvny won a first 5 weeks in a row at the racin   :P ;D ;D

 

 

 

 

[Guest stb-]

 

If i had a good old bird that won on the road or a doo breeding winners.. it wouldn't be up for sale..!!!

 

HOW NO :X

[Guest ROCKYandRAMBO]

 

If i had a good old bird that won on the road or a doo breeding winners.. it wouldn't be up for sale..!!!

 

there is such a thing as entire clerance sales !!!!

[Guest karl adams]

PUT IT THIS WAY YOU WOULDENT BUY A BIRD FROM THE WORST FLYER IN YER CLUB WOULD YOU......... :-/

 

i have seen people have birds from a flier that dose no good with them and win a few good races with them and  Ive seen others pay silly money for pigeons that have come from the so called best and win nothing after years of buying from the same person you only buy the pigeon not the persons method he uses  

[ALF]

Aye but the huvny won a first 5 weeks in a row at the racin   :P ;D ;D

 

 

 

 

NEITHER HAVE I NEVER MIND THE DOOS :P ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

[Guest JonesyBhoy]

 

HOW NO :X

 

CAUSE IT WIDNAE..!!! ;D ;D ;D

[Guest JonesyBhoy]

 

there is such a thing as entire clerance sales !!!!

 

Good point mate..lol

[Guest frank dooman]

 

YOUR PEDIGREE IS KNOWING THE BREEDER FRANK AND ALSO HE,S THE BASKET.

 

When he can show you winning pigeons and there parents and bros and sist etc thats the pedigree  no a bit of paper that someone you dont know wrights down for you . JMO

 

i used to think the exact same robert i used to laugh at fanciers at sales when they went on about the ped. but ive changed a wee bit and now realise it does matter but only if its the truth thats the point we will never know unless you have total faith in the seller and if you are trying to build a family round that bird then the ped. becomes more important for raceing its all about what the fancier is winning NOW not ten years ago

[Guest stb-]

 

CAUSE IT WIDNAE..!!! ;D ;D ;D

 

YOUZE BOYS NO ADAYS YE GET A GUD SWEETY AND YOUL NO GEE ANY ONE ELSE WAN

[Guest JonesyBhoy]

 

YOUZE BOYS NO ADAYS YE GET A GUD SWEETY AND YOUL NO GEE ANY ONE ELSE WAN

 

Lol..  ;D

[DOVEScot]

 

PLENTY UGLY DOOS WIN ;)

 

Even the Ugly birds need loving ;D

 

Why would anyone pay 200,000.00 euros for a bird if he thought he could get a better bird as a gift..........prestige or commercialism, there is no way that bird or probably it immediate offspring will ever see a race basket :-/

[Guest youngboy]

well pedrigrees are a bonus but pedigrees cant fly now can they!! i think the breed has a big part of it anyway!! because people go for the best! and that generates around the breed and breeder! but i agree bake the best way to tell a pigeon is good or not and thats the basket!

[jimmy white]

PUT IT THIS WAY YOU WOULDENT BUY A BIRD FROM THE WORST FLYER IN YER CLUB WOULD YOU......... :-/

 

with due respect nogin ,,," pigeon mans post means a lot " [for me anyway ] ,, i for one was asked to take 3 birds that were left after a fancier packed in and  sold them  ,, these 3 didnt sell,,,,, no one wanted them,,, i won the combine sartlly 505 miles by 35 minutes,, with one of them,, so as the old saying goes,,, all that glitters is not gold ;D

[Guest]

 

with due respect nogin ,,," pigeon mans post means a lot " [for me anyway ] ,, i for one was asked to take 3 birds that were left after a fancier packed in and  sold them  ,, these 3 didnt sell,,,,, no one wanted them,,, i won the combine sartlly 505 miles by 35 minutes,, with one of them,, so as the old saying goes,,, all that glitters is not gold ;D

very true Jimmy , i inherited 4 cocks that no-one wanted when an old freind gave up. i used them last year when i moved ,wasnt out the top ten in the club ,went over the water too ,no cards but lots of fun.            my options would be 2 and 5 in that order.          andy.

 

[Guest karl adams]

dose the trans fare not matter i thought the trans fare was proof of ownership if you can not trans fare a bird you cant race it show it and as its not in your name should you be breeding out of it

:-/ :-/j m o

[bullcock]

1st the breeder, as he/she should be a top fancier who can be trusted.

2nd the pedigree, as the performance of the bird and/or its parents and g/prarents is vital.

3rd the breed, it s only important as to what you are wanting ie sprint / distance and you decide this long before looking for a bird.

4th the pigeon, even the most visually appealing birds can be from rubbish so handling and looks are secondary to the blood line.

5th the transfer, if you plan to race the bird then it is required but for breeding its not that essential.

[Guest strapper]

 

with due respect nogin ,,," pigeon mans post means a lot " [for me anyway ] ,, i for one was asked to take 3 birds that were left after a fancier packed in and  sold them  ,, these 3 didnt sell,,,,, no one wanted them,,, i won the combine sartlly 505 miles by 35 minutes,, with one of them,, so as the old saying goes,,, all that glitters is not gold ;D

 

100% agree ...what does the pedigree of the fancier to do with the pedigree of the bird?.

also how many buy good birds but the fancier cant win an arguement and slate the birds as no good!

 

ive had a stray(yb) in from a newbie(in the sport) a few years ago, he had never had a card...transferred it over..in  oldbirds, i topped the federation with nearly 4000 birds....sometimes its not what you got in it ,its what you get out of it.

[gulkie]

i know of a member of a club not very often in the top 20 on the

result ,swap pigeons with a top nat flyer and he scored with it

in nat racing .so the flyer brought the best out of the bird?.

so surly its[ pigeon] it has to have it to bring it out regaurdless

of who breeds it.

[Mealy Cock]

1st the breeder, as he/she should be a top fancier who can be trusted.

2nd the pedigree, as the performance of the bird and/or its parents and g/prarents is vital.

3rd the breed, it s only important as to what you are wanting ie sprint / distance and you decide this long before looking for a bird.

4th the pigeon, even the most visually appealing birds can be from rubbish so handling and looks are secondary to the blood line.

5th the transfer, if you plan to race the bird then it is required but for breeding its not that essential.

 

Sorry totally disagree with your choices, the most important is the pigeon it's self, like breeds like!

 

As for top fanciers to buy from, look to whether or not they are breeding good birds- winners for other fanciers

Example; I have sent youngsters back because they have been absolute rubbish on arrival, this happened to be from one of the top fanciers with 3 first nationals under their belt. I have also sent birds back to studs as well.

 

It all depends on what your expectations are.

 

As for pedigree it's horses for courses, but make sure what they are advertising is what you are getting.

 

[Guest BRYANBROCK]

PUT IT THIS WAY YOU WOULDENT BUY A BIRD FROM THE WORST FLYER IN YER CLUB WOULD YOU......... :-/

 

there could be a reason for that member being the worst flyer in the club

i would not judge anyone for there flying capabilities

he could have the best birds money can buy

so i would not condem anyone birds for that it might be that he or she doesnt have the time or maybe they have the wrong setup  e.t.c.

so if i liked what i see i would buy it so i would say yes  

[Guest cloudview]

when i go to a sale , first thing i do is go round all the pens to see what cathes my eye , then handle it , within 10 seconds the bird as made or not made an impression on me ,if it has then ill look at the pedigree , ifthe pedigree matches the bird then ill have a go at it , but even if it was off the best , if idid,nt like it  i wound,nt buy it