ch pied Posted July 16, 2008 Report Posted July 16, 2008 gone are the day's when we started the programe , with 14-20 old bird's 5 race's down ireland , 125-250ml 6 on the water 198-500+ml the programe compleated with very few losses barring , bad luck with smashe's y/bird programe starting with 20 , 10 race's out to 250ml , again few losses , barring smashe's feed was basic , what ever you could get your hand's on at the right money inferior bird's- yes sick bird's-yes feed -no just not the right stuff
ALF Posted July 16, 2008 Report Posted July 16, 2008 JUST TO ADD A LITTLE POINT TO THIS 2 OF THE GUYS AT OUR PLACE TOOK THERE Y/B'S 15 MLS AWAY TODAY LIB'D AT 10.45AM 1 SENT 47 THE OTHER 13 RESULT AT 7 PM TONIGHT WAS 21 FROM 47 AND 5 FROM 13 :(
carlsberg Posted July 16, 2008 Report Posted July 16, 2008 another point to this last week i sent 26 on the south road and lost 11 in one toss this week sent i have sent them all north and got them all home the point i am trying to make is that most people race south road so more birds will be raced from that direction so most losses will be put down to clashing
carlsberg Posted July 16, 2008 Report Posted July 16, 2008 forgot to mention i dont believe it is down to feeding or inadequate birds but it is down to training routes
Guest casbri Posted July 16, 2008 Report Posted July 16, 2008 i agree with what carlsberg said and he is right in my opinion
Simeon Turner Posted July 16, 2008 Report Posted July 16, 2008 Young bird losses (not in any particular order) 1 - Quality of pigeons 2 - Health (including pigeons that are out there that have been doctored up, when really they should be in the bin) 3 - Clashing 4 - Hawks in certain areas 5 - Weather 6 - Non coordination of Feds / Amals (why send 6 transporters down from the same area to the same racepoint and have seperate liberations, strength in numbers and all that). 7 - Feed, not giving the birds enough fuel in their tanks if they make a mistake, with the way we feed these days (more carbs / fats and less proteins), they have one shot at getting home - if they don't they don't have anything in the tank to help them the next day. Just my thoughts, although I think the list is endless
nipper Posted July 17, 2008 Report Posted July 17, 2008 It would be interesting to give someone a loft of say 75/100 young birds . NO ped,s,No names and No idea where they came from . Ask the person to fly them to the best of his ability and see what the result would be after 4/5 years . He would have to go on the birds alone . No preference because its a this or that breed . . No breeding this strain with the same . No idea of making money out of this or that ect ect ect . No fancy food,just decent quality food In the end he would have the birds that could do the job and fight for home , even if its only one pair ! He might not have the winners every week ! But his birds will come home !! This wouldnt appeal to the big money men or the win at all cost men , but it would mean a lot to the grass roots guys who want to see their birds getting home every week . Would we end up with a loft of decent doo,s ???? Would we answer the question of young bird losses ???? Would we breed a stronger constitution pigeon ???? The feed , the medication , the basket raining , the road training , the quality of birds , as long as there are a thousand different guys doing a thousand different things we may never know ? Its been said before, The List Is Endless !! This has also been said before ! " A good bird will still do well regardless of the fancier "
Guest j.bamling Posted July 17, 2008 Report Posted July 17, 2008 Well niether applies of course to hopper fed. Sure you may leave a mite 'Feed' you wish for them to have, as they don't know what you have planned for the. However, Most naturl flyers seem to get the feeding right... why they excel not only at the distance, but sprints too nowadays We are talking about ybs here not natural distance hopper fed pigeons I was on about the balance between feeding to light and feeding to heavy If the ybs were fed an Irish mix they ain't going to win the first yb races Or if the ybs are fed depuritive they are not going to win yb Nat say 270 mls also Losses would be great that was my point !!! The feeding would play.a Part in yb losses if people did the wrong thing it is getting the feeding right and the quantity of how much to give them which is the key i
joe61 Posted July 17, 2008 Report Posted July 17, 2008 rubbish fanciers who know nothing and rubbish birds both total loosers oh happy days
mark Posted July 17, 2008 Report Posted July 17, 2008 rubbish fanciers who know nothing and rubbish birds both total loosers oh happy days are you talking from your own experiences.
Gertcha Posted July 17, 2008 Report Posted July 17, 2008 rubbish fanciers who sell rubbish birds both total loosers oh happy days That rings more of a bell, Purrrrrrrr-fect!!!!! oh happy days Arthur Fonzarelli 8)
gangster Posted July 17, 2008 Report Posted July 17, 2008 rubbish fanciers who know nothing and rubbish birds both total loosers oh happy days here we go again !! more words of wisdom from the jackson twins!!!!!!!!!!!!....
speedbird Posted July 17, 2008 Report Posted July 17, 2008 last year i started off with 28 & ended with 28 and always gave them a good feed friday & again some sead around 4pm & believe this to help as they have plenty in reserve if its a bad race & we had a fair few & those which choose to belly em had big losses,dont get me wrong they were little buggers to get in at the shorter races but each to there own.
joe61 Posted July 17, 2008 Report Posted July 17, 2008 well guys only you know if you are a winner or a loser its not here we go again mick its a fact in all walks of life there are winners and losers the winners know what they are doing the losers dont ps im not a twin oh happy days
Guest chrisss Posted July 17, 2008 Report Posted July 17, 2008 rubbish fanciers who know nothing and rubbish birds both total loosers oh happy days "we breed as much rubbish nowdays as we have always done" jeff kirkland [also a "rubbish fancier" according to you?]total merde everyone loses birds
Guest chrisss Posted July 17, 2008 Report Posted July 17, 2008 lack of basket training [i know guys who are training their young birds before they start running just for the first race, "for the averages"]also feeding plays a part if its a short race, guys feed light, then the bird gets stuck out with no reserves to fall back on,then it goes down. i have more hairs on my chest than a coconut mat and i have seen local birds that thin [for faster trapping]i could shave my hairs with their keels,what chance have they? if it goes wrong
joe61 Posted July 17, 2008 Report Posted July 17, 2008 listen you drunk in the kabab shop jeff kirkland is a top fancier i never said anything about the man you mentioned his name so i think you should apologise oh happy days
Guest Cock Of The North Posted July 17, 2008 Report Posted July 17, 2008 EDUCATION if the fancier does not have the education how can he educate his young birds Im not talking about some 15 yearold novice Im talking about guys who have been in the game a good number of years and cant recognise a sick bird till it falls off the perch , By that time its been in a race basket and has likley spread it on to halve the birds in the area and the knock on affect goes round and round. Education
mark Posted July 17, 2008 Report Posted July 17, 2008 listen you drunk in the kabab shop jeff kirkland is a top fancier i never said anything about the man you mentioned his name so i think you should apologise oh happy days apologise, you cause more problems than most perhaps you should even up that chip on your shoulder.
just ask me Posted July 17, 2008 Report Posted July 17, 2008 rubbish fanciers who know nothing and rubbish birds both total loosers oh happy days i just love your posts so much thought goes into them its amazing what u can come up when u sit down and think about i don't mind pll coming on here when they have put some thought into there posts even when u disagree with them or when they make u think about something they wrote but by god Joe u have me thinking for hours with comments like these thank you
retired Posted July 17, 2008 Report Posted July 17, 2008 i just love your posts so much thought goes into them its amazing what u can come up when u sit down and think about i don't mind pll coming on here when they have put some thought into there posts even when u disagree with them or when they make u think about something they wrote but by god Joe u have me thinking for hours with comments like these thank you Sarcastic Bugger ;D
just ask me Posted July 17, 2008 Report Posted July 17, 2008 Sarcastic Bugger ;D who me sarcastic never
Guest chrisss Posted July 17, 2008 Report Posted July 17, 2008 listen you drunk in the kabab shop jeff kirkland is a top fancier i never said anything about the man you mentioned his name so i think you should apologise oh happy days you stated that only rubbish fanciers with rubbish birds lose any, since everyone looses birds [apart from you, if i remember right you have no birds ]and since jeff kirkland stated that we all breed rubbish as much nowdays as we always did [or words to that effect] my comments stand ,as to the comment apologise , who to you?,with the amount of rubbish you have spewed out it will never happen,i never stated that you said anything about the man, this is my last comment to you on this subject,it was a good post until you pulled your normal stunt and infected it with your garbage,why don't you input something of use to this post?[but wait to i come on before you post more rubbish you keyboard hero]
Merlin Posted July 18, 2008 Report Posted July 18, 2008 (Keyboard Hero) ;D ;D ;D Thats a new one Chrisss, ;D ;D ;D ;D .
Guest chrisss Posted July 18, 2008 Report Posted July 18, 2008 yeh sorry about that [and to all the other guys on this post,bar one of course!!!!] i get very hacked off when you have a useful post like this and it gets polluted by rubbish
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