first round v 2nd round

[catchthepigeon]

I allways take 2 rounds of young birds i have allways found my second round do better than the first round has any other fanciers found this with there pigeons.

[OLDYELLOW]

i think the reason is once there ranging well they need putting in the basket like all young they either learn the ropes quick  or there development is retarded jmo

[catchthepigeon]

I was thinking the same as you oldyellow so the answer is not to wait untill all birds are ranging from both rounds to train them but to treat them as 2 individual teams i will try that this year and see if the first team hold up any better

[ritchie1]

no this year my first round birds did better was all first round birds that was in the first 10 in fed results for me

[Guest]

1st round birds for me held thier flights all season

stoped some 2nd round ones with 2 or 3 races to go

flying natural

[catchthepigeon]

1st round birds for me held thier flights all season

stoped some 2nd round ones with 2 or 3 races to go

flying natural

When do you pair up

 

[Guest]

When do you pair up

 

next sunday for the stock birds january for the racers

[catchthepigeon]

 

next sunday for the stock birds january for the racers

How do you manage to get your birds to hold there flights all season without the darkness system

 

[Guest]

its natural darkness

[chichichi]

How do you manage to get your birds to hold there flights all season without the darkness system

 

you can't ,, darkness is the only way to get them to hold their flight for aug and sept.. lots think if they breed early enough they are natural darkness,, well this is a fad,, they will moult and be in bits by june or july..

 

darkness first round natural 2nd round,, thats what a lot do..

 

best of luck

 

ant

[catchthepigeon]

its natural darkness

your birds are on the darkness but you fly natural.When does darkness birds start throwing flights

 

[catchthepigeon]

 

you can't ,, darkness is the only way to get them to hold their flight for aug and sept.. lots think if they breed early enough they are natural darkness,, well this is a fad,, they will moult and be in bits by june or july..

 

darkness first round natural 2nd round,, thats what a lot do..

 

best of luck

 

ant

oh iv misunderstood what was ment by natural darkness

 

[Guest]

well it works for me sent 5 early bred y/bs 317 miles to the ybn all still holding at least last 3 flights

clocked 2 next morning 1 of which was placed in the section

 

my mate sent 8 naturals aswell and got 7 the next day

 

i think the date of the ybn was 9th september

[fancypigeon_88]

never really find out myself, float my 1st round under widowoods or feeders then 2nd round are normaly only 7-10 days younger so not anoth of a difference

[holmsidelofts]

i think the reason is once there ranging well they need putting in the basket like all young they either learn the ropes quick  or there development is retarded jmo

 

Your right oldyellow.

According to Dr colin walkers book this is where the birds should be at at different sages:

 

Stage 1    28-32 days old.

 

28 days at the latest removed from the parents. 31 days responding to fanciers voice.

 

Stage 2    33 - 49 days old.

 

by 33 days the youngsters should realise that there loft is there home. 38 days a routine should be established, they should also start flying by this point. 46 days should be flying in a flock for upto 20 -30 minutes  

 

Stage 3   50 - 60 days old.

 

youngsters should behaving like young adults. in all ways except sexually. 50 days natural youngsters will drop there first flight.

 

Stage 4  60 - 100 days puberty starts.

 

Stage 5  100 days training tosses should start.

 

So based upon the above estimations if they are hatched on january 1st by april the 1st they should be trained. The question is how many people actually train there youngsters in april. most of us are still training our old birds at that point.

 

So i totally agree with oldyellow in that they have to be educated early if they are born early. that is probably why 2nd round youngsters are better as they are born later but trained younger. also they dont reach sexual maturity early on in the year and are more ready to exercise freely, we all know what happens once cocks start to drive there exercising starts to drop as there mind is on getting that hen to nest.

 

Food for thought that.

 

Jas.

[REDCHEQHEN]

well it works for me sent 5 early bred y/bs 317 miles to the ybn all still holding at least last 3 flights

clocked 2 next morning 1 of which was placed in the section

 

my mate sent 8 naturals aswell and got 7 the next day

 

i think the date of the ybn was 9th september

 

Blimey - I stop mine with 5 or 6 to go !!

[Guest IB]

I've only in recent years started noting month 'survivors' of YB season were hatched, nothing conclusive so far. I usually pair late Feb but left it till Mid March in 2009.

 

I've always treated my 1st & 2nd round as 2 teams, until they are both trained out & had their 1st race, then they are treated as one team. I fly natural and my 1st round very rarely last till National in September, as soon as No7 primary is dropped I normally stop them, didn't do that this year and paid price. Like to see them no further than 4/5 going to National.

 

Will be all change 2010,  seems to be too much work involved in seperate later-bred YB teams, 2 teams was never a bother before. Aiming for 20 same-age YBs for racing. And better balance between later pairing (for OB channel races) and having YBs a bit young to train before YB racing begins.