1 loft races allowed in general races. yes/no

[vanlink]

As a member of the RPRA and using the luxury of freedom of speech I would like to ask in a poll how other members of the RPRA feel about the possibility of 1 loft races taking part in other races (clubs, feds, Nationals) and flying for prizes and honours.

 

This is a completely new type of racing, which may or may not change the goal posts or alter the size of the pitch etc and warrants mature discussion and opinion without making it personal to any individual or organisation and what ever the out come may be it still does not change any thing but it would just be nice to know how the majority feel.  

 

[rick]

NO way not for me. suprised not many votes!

[Guest HighSpeedLofts]

one man flying against a syndicate i dont think so

[Chris Little]

Dont see what the problem is, the more competition the merrier

[Guest HighSpeedLofts]

Dont see what the problem is, the more competition the merrier

so you would like to fly against hundreds of birds from different lofts being flown under one name how strange whatever floats your boat

 

 

[blaz]

one man flying against a syndicate i dont think so

 

you look at your club and fed you are one man against all of them every week.some of the bigger ones have guys putting 50 plus birds in . so i dont see the problem if your birds good enough it will will regardless the best of birds are out on their own .

[Guest HighSpeedLofts]

yes but you could be flying against all the top flyers in britain using  1 name dosent sound right to me maybe iv misunderstood

[rooster]

with all the money these one lofts generate maybe they could sponsor a couple of these races , just a thought,

[blaz]

example only  A B C AND D all fly in my club all stay with in 150 yard of on another all send big teams of birds i stay 1 a mile away i dont think its fair as i only send 10 birds as thy get the drag evry week' what do you think the members will say to that. similar to this will be happening all over the country .so i asked and this is what thy said   ;D ??) ;D ??) ;D ??) ;D

[blaz]

yes but you could be flying against all the top flyers in britain using  1 name dosent sound right to me maybe iv misunderstood

 

dought it it is mostly average jo,s that send .or a few mates with 1or2 in syndicates most its for a bit of fun

[Guest HighSpeedLofts]

 

dought it it is mostly average jo,s that send .or a few mates with 1or2 in syndicates most its for a bit of fun

 

i think there must be some top flyers do 1 loft races maybe im wrong i know nothing about them

 

[little sam]

so you would like to fly against hundreds of birds from different lofts being flown under one name how strange whatever floats your boat

 

 

I agree with Chris, And TBH It has nothing to do with you, There money is paid to enter the race so what the hell has it got to do with you, Just because you send a 100 pigeons and another guy sneds 10 dosent gurentee you the win, It dosent even improve your chances unless there in the right condition, there is no rule on how many you can send or who can send, To me your just discriminatong against the flyer who can send more and will send more, I think you need to stop bringing petty things like this up, Thanks,

 

Sam

[vanlink]

TBH It has nothing to do with you, There money is paid to enter the race so what the hell has it got to do with you,

 

sam, i do not want to get into a row with you, so do not take any thing i say in the wrong way but i think you are slightly miss understanding the issue. This is a slightly new concept. Its not a normal race, but a 1 loft race entering into a race of multiple drops so that in simple terms you could win the 1 loft race and the normal race, but of course it is not quite that simple because the birds must be flown in one name.

 

The Ideal of a 1 loft race was to try and make it more fair, to try and level the playing field. Now that we are moving on and entering those 1 loft birds into a normal race we are adding a new dimension.

 

Now of course this new type of racing could be absolutely fine and a great new way to race, and as pointed out by someone on an other post an opportunity for some to take part in a national race who other wise would not have the chance. It could be good or could be bad, it could be like or could be disliked. It will probably be many things to many people but unless we allow people to share an opinion we will never know.

 

I can see the reason why people are not inclined to contribute towards forums if they are going to be jumped on for having a slightly different view. We are all entitled to a certain amount of freedom of speech provided of course that we try not to offend any one. So I ask again in the interest of fairness please let some one make a point with out attacking their view personally.  

[jons_pigeons]

As a member of the RPRA its has got everything to do with him Sam.

Its alright when just the one one loft race send 100 pigeons to one national.

What happens in a few years time when ten one loft races all send to the

same national, potentially that could be two thousand one lofters. They could

dominate the top 500 in the open.

If this happens............. PIGEON RACING FROM YOUR BACK GARDEN WILL COME TO AN END!!!!!

[Chris Little]

so you would like to fly against hundreds of birds from different lofts being flown under one name how strange whatever floats your boat

 

 

Nothing strange about it.

 

There is nothing wrong with healthy competition, the stronger the better as it will improve your own peformances in the long run. Far too many people now days chickening out when it comes to competing against large numbers.

[Guest]

Not for me either. It's a contradiction of terms if it was allowed. ONE LOFT RACE means what it says, ALL the birds in the RACE are flying to ONE LOFT

That is the reason why fanciers enter their birds in these races, so that they ALL race under the same management, fed the same corn, receive the same treatment and medication, get the same training and are liberated on their own to race back to one loft.

We all whinge enough now about "Joe Bloggs" mob flying and taking all the honours, what chance would you have if for example 25% of the birds released at any given time were all bound for one destination, answer in a nutshell NONE.

I'm all for ONE LOFT RACING but keep it as it is ONE RACE, ONE LIBERATION, ALL TO ONE DESTINATION.

[pjc]

Maybe a compramise would be to allow these birds to be convoyed with large organisations but not compete with them just compete with the other 1 loft entrents.

Its not viable for RPRA to send the trailer to France etc with 100 birds so these races provide valuble training for the main event.

[Guest]

I understand the economics of what you are suggesting Phil, but the original post stated:-

 

1 loft races taking part in other races (clubs, feds, Nationals) and flying for prizes and honours.

 

Sorry that for me is a NONO

[pjc]

The one lofts like to think they are the best, best birds, best corn, full time care, purpose built transport etc etc so wouldn't it feel good to beat them in these races?

[Guest spin cycle]

no...not IMO. convey by all means ( share costs)....compare results for interest . if mob flying doesn't work...why do people do it ?

[thunderboult]

me personally i would like the extra competition as a fancier competing against these birds but i also think that liberating these birds with the national affects the result of the one loft race, i'll try and explain why i think this- as young birds these birds are flown,trained and raced on their own to one loft, so these birds are programmed to fly with batches all to one area the entire life, then you decide to liberate with birds from all over the country . now some of these birds will end up in batches going the wrong way and as a result will end up late or lost(even though they may have been in front of the eventual winner).  the returns from the one loft race seem to back up this idea as out of 127 birds entered only 54 birds have made it home.

[Guest]

We all think we give our birds the best, and have the best birds, and we all have the opportunity to fly against the best already. They are called NATIONAL races. Far more birds in National races from top class fanciers than you get in a OLR so let the OLR's stay as they were intended.

[swilcox]

So on that note you disagree with the Barcelona Loft in France??? I have never heard anyone say a bad word about there set up and there aims to win the Barcelona International with an English entered bird??? Its a One Loft at the end of the day.

 

Stuart

[thunderboult]

So on that note you disagree with the Barcelona Loft in France??? I have never heard anyone say a bad word about there set up and there aims to win the Barcelona International with an English entered bird??? Its a One Loft at the end of the day.

 

Stuart

 

hi stu, that was on my mine while i was thinking about it, i am interested in that. although i'm not sure how they race as yb's out there , i think they race  em as yb's against other lofts don't they? which is a better concept than what we do in this country .  the loft in france is geared up for old bird racing from the off, where as the rpra one loft race is more geared towards yb's only, the racing of yearlings is a new idea to use up the birds that can't be sold

[hepste]

I accept that week in, week out, small fliers pitch themselves against larger fliers, (and we all accept that) but the one loft race set up artificially introduces an opportunity for a "bigger than ever before" volume of pigeons racing to one location, and competing against back garden fanciers, spread over a wide area.  Allowing these birds to compete against the single fancier/partnership tips the balance too far in favour of the birds racing to the one loft location, and offers a disppraportionate advantage.  For me it is a big NO!

 

Nice to see some constructive comments.  It would be nice if we could keep it that way, in order that we can bottom out people's concerns.  The combative attitude some people on here are inclined to take up, tends to end up in dog fights that are destructive, and not constructive.