yellow mealy

[Guest MBpigeonguy]

help me with this,

i posted a picture of my yellow mealy, and i want to breed more, read the link,

http://albertaclassic.net/Discussions/viewtopic.php?p=16920#16920

[OLDYELLOW]

silver cock via a yellow to breed same colour  

[pjc]

silver cock doesn't need to carry yellow to breed yellow or cream when paired to yellow or cream hen.

Doth dilutes so will breed dilutes in both colours.

[Michael J Burden]

Nice looking bird.

 

You need to try her if you have no others back to other sons.

 

She should first of all be paired to a red who has 2 genes for red and not one red and blue, these generally look like red with black splashes.

 

Now keep the cocks and pair them to red hens, one back to mother. Some of the red cocks will have the gene for dilute, not all. If you see any come out of those pairings you can be sure that cock has that gene. Pair that one to its mother. This was you can get a number of yellows, some hens and maybe a cock. The yollow effect is reciessive which is why it apears to skip generations.

 

Alternatively you could drop Laurie an email, she is in the USA and has some fine specimens of that colour and sells them too.

 

Her e-mail is okemats@sbcglobal.net

 

 

Check out her photo album called: "Oshaben Trentons"

 

http://www.PictureTrail.com/gid6337817&pathID=2033848

[OLDYELLOW]

silver cock doesn't need to carry yellow to breed yellow or cream when paired to yellow or cream hen.

Doth dilutes so will breed dilutes in both colours.

 

no the silver doesnt have to carry a yellow gene but it improves the chances of throwing the colour he wants

[Guest Freebird]

 

no the silver doesnt have to carry a yellow gene but it improves the chances of throwing the colour he wants

Think oldyellow is correct in that a silver ( dilute bluebar ) cock will give silvers and yellow bars as both parents will carry dilute and are bar pattern which is recessive to chequer and t-pattern chequer. If you do not have another dilute bird just mate her to a redbar or bluebar and the youngsters will carry dilute. Pair these together or with mother and you should end up with yellowbars and silverbars and who knows what else.(wiseman)

http://www.angelfire.com/ga3/pigeongenetics/index.html

[Guest beautyhomer]

silver cock doesn't need to carry yellow to breed yellow or cream when paired to yellow or cream hen.

Doth dilutes so will breed dilutes in both colours.

 

silver cocks cannot carry yellow

[OLDYELLOW]

a silver from a yellow can carry the yellow as a recessive gene

[Guest beautyhomer]

a silver from a yellow can carry the yellow as a recessive gene

 

No it cant

 

silver is dilute blue

yellow is dilute ash red

ash red is dominant over blue

therefore a yellow cock can carry blue but not the other way around

 

As i have said before there is no gene for yellow,it is a combination of dilute and ash red.

 

[OLDYELLOW]

and this came out of 2 reds the cock been out of a yellow if i paired the cock up to a blue checker i would of bred yellow fact i breed these birds and have since 1992

[Guest beautyhomer]

siver hen out of two reds is perfectly possible.The red cock is carrying blue and dilute.

 

This cock when paired to a blue would pass the red gene and the dilute gene to some of his daughters which would be yellows.

[OLDYELLOW]

and the cock is a son out of a yellow so the yellow gene is recessive in there ofspring , and could easily be paired to produce yellows , and more chance if both birds carrying the yellow gene

[Guest beautyhomer]

and the cock is a son out of a yellow so the yellow gene is recessive in there ofspring , and could easily be paired to produce yellows , and more chance if both birds carrying the yellow gene

 

There is no yellow gene!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

The cock has inherited a dilute gene from his yellow mother.It is this dilute gene that is recessive.As he is red he is expressing the colour gene he got from his dam.

[OLDYELLOW]

ok it you want to be technical a dilute ash gene

[OLDYELLOW]

oh thats funny his dam was blue chequer not a yellow hen the cock was yellow oh dear oh dear

[Guest beautyhomer]

ok it you want to be technical a dilute ash gene

 

There is no dilute ash gene either

 

There is a dilute gene and a ash red gene lmao

[Guest beautyhomer]

oh thats funny his dam was blue chequer not a yellow hen the cock was yellow oh dear oh dear

 

So his father was a red with a dilute gene it does not alter the laws of genetics

Colour and dilute are sex linked.

 

You still havn't explained how a blue can hide the dominant ash red gene.

 

i.e a silver can carry red without showing it

[Guest MBpigeonguy]

from what i can gather my yellow hens father is a red mealy, and her mother is a yellow hen!

and by silvers you mean red mealy right?

[REDCHEQHEN]

and by silvers you mean red mealy right?

 

I think he says earlier its a dilute blue

[Michael J Burden]

There are only 3 colours. They are dominant through to the recessive starting from red (ash) then blue and then brown.

 

Cock birds carry 2 colour genes, if they carry the one red gene they are red.

                                                if they carry the blue gene are blue not thr red otherwise it will be a red.

                                                if both colour genes are carried brown, which is similar to silver blue and often called dun.

 

Hen birds carry one colour gene so what ever it is it is that colour.

 

There are many other genes which are callled monifiers. These alter one of the basic colours and produces different 'colours' that we see such as yellow, silver, chocolate opal or blacks plus others.

 

For a cock to be yellow it needs to have at least one red red gene. Attached to that gene and the other it will require 2 for dilute. If not it will just be a red who can produce silver blue and red hens in the nest.

 

 

Now to put a spaner in the works, especially as you are in the USA there are other genes which cause birds to be yellow looking. The actual colour can be blue but the genes are pale, dilute and extreme dilute. It can get very complicated.

 

The best website to explain all this with pictures is Ron Huntley

http://www.angelfire.com/ga/huntleyloft/yellow.html

[Guest Freebird]

Three pigments. Red, Blue and Brown. From these three pigments we obtain many "colours" especially when enhanced by modifiers ( Type of mutation ). You can also completely cover a colour and pattern with other modifiers such as recessive red or white. Hidden beneath that white or red is the birds true colour and pattern. Complicated indeed(puke)but great fun.

[Guest]

Very interesting thread this, although must admit it lost me a while ago, lol! Doesn't take much!

 

Can anyone enlighten me please, if breeding for particular recessive colour, will this detract in anyway the racing and / or homing ability in the birds produced through this?

 

All the best

 

Dave

[Guest]

Forgot to add, MB, thats a cracking hen by the way! A real beauty!  

[pjc]

I think the answer to that Dave is how many yellows and silvers do you see raced or in the result?

There have been silver race winners mainly i beleive from the old workman lines but they are few and far between.

 

Phil

[Guest]

I think the answer to that Dave is how many yellows and silvers do you see raced or in the result?

There have been silver race winners mainly i beleive from the old workman lines but they are few and far between.

 

Phil

 

Hi Phil, appreciate the response, (dont get many nowadays, lol!) I personally put the lack of them down to the referenced colours being a sort of rarity, certainly are in the North East! The Silvers and Yellows have won up here, although not many at all, actually very few as you quite rigtly point out! I have heard the tale that Silvers are the breeders etc, but was just wondering if when breeding, and recessive's are paired to recessive's, in order to obtain the said recessive colour, if through breeding like this that it would physically weaken, or take out of the bred birds genepool, some of the racing / homing ability! Has anyone actually tried this? Just interested  !

Dave