pigeonman007 Posted October 3, 2008 Author Report Posted October 3, 2008 yup yellows would be hens and silvers also hens but reds and blue chequers be cocks Is yellow sex linked, and some of the cocks would be carriers?
ALF Posted October 3, 2008 Report Posted October 3, 2008 what about any pure white kirkpatrick , had a cock bird but lost him training :'( jon If you lost it dont worry anymore ;)
OLDYELLOW Posted October 3, 2008 Report Posted October 3, 2008 the yellow gene i believe is a faulty gene between two colours red a white white been a lack of pigment and the yellow been a faulty pigmented red indeed yellows will bred both whites and reds the reds more chocolate but the yellow gene although not visable / dominant is carried by birds it breeds like silvers and silvery reds
ALF Posted October 3, 2008 Report Posted October 3, 2008 always worry about lost m8 jon No i never worry about any that dont come back!!!
THE FIFER Posted October 3, 2008 Report Posted October 3, 2008 I have 5 yellows will try and get photos.
Guest Freebird Posted October 3, 2008 Report Posted October 3, 2008 would i be right in saying that any yellows this pair produced,, would be hens?? b,check cock paired with yellow hen Also depends on what traits the cock carries. What if the cock also carries dilute? Cocks also carry another colour, don't they? I find genetic stuff very hard to grasp but fascinating.(wiseman)
wayne77 Posted October 3, 2008 Report Posted October 3, 2008 Know some do not call this yellow! It is cock bred from a mealy when paired to a yellow hen. The Mealy sire was bred from a blue cock when paired to a yellow. The nestmate to one in photo was silver cheq hen. The yellow cock in photo was paired to cheq hen(from Red cheq x Mealy) and produced a red cock and yellow hen. Breeding of pictured cock is Busschaert x an old family believe from Dover area sold in 50's(sorry name slipped me at mo) x Sion Think you will get Yellows but may be next generation
john niko Posted October 3, 2008 Report Posted October 3, 2008 they look like 2 bluens in the picture
wayne77 Posted October 3, 2008 Report Posted October 3, 2008 shes a nice hen wayne 8) Its a cock John but thanks. Sire was 520th in national few years back from Nantes in a west wind I think. Not sensational I know but good honest bird. Carded in club. One in photo not raced loaned to my dad in 2008, back in my loft now
john niko Posted October 3, 2008 Report Posted October 3, 2008 where are yu from wayne and are yu more into your distance i thought the old sion where more of sprint pigeon
wayne77 Posted October 3, 2008 Report Posted October 3, 2008 John from Ellesmere Shropshire. Interest in 350 miles plus. Day races more, favouriteracepoint Saintes(501 miles) bought the Sion in only because a yellow. The original Yellow hen g dam of one in photo was good breeding hen for me and wanted keep colour going. In all honesty I only have a few. Main family is the Ko Nipius. Though been buying in Gabys as thought before this season bird flu would spoil the channel, pleased to say I was wrong. But will hopefully have fun with Gabys and have great team of Ko Nipius and Ko Nipius crosses(with selected channel birds) to race as 2 year olds in 2009 ;) How about yourself?
pjc Posted October 4, 2008 Report Posted October 4, 2008 As i've said before you will not breed yellow from a yellow hen unless the cock carries the yellow gene! As wayne has said above his yellow was bred from a yellow hen when paired to a mealy cock. The mealy cock was bred from a yellow hen so will carry the yellow gene! White is always a dilute of something and can throw any colour!
Guest asha Posted October 4, 2008 Report Posted October 4, 2008 Hi Wayne, Where did you get your base Ko Nipius from,Bob Mcdonald?,Ken kippax?,if you did,i may have something down here that could well nick into them,i thought about trying myself but just have no room. I gather from your posting you like a full days racing type,which may lean towards van riel type,unless really hard day, or i might be able to persuade you have a go at Pau/Tarbes NFC which must be 640mile for you.
pjc Posted October 4, 2008 Report Posted October 4, 2008 Asha, I brought birds from Ken Kippax's clearance sale but they never done anything for me but birds I had from Bob McDonald flew there socks off! The McDonald birds were obtained direct back in '87 but the birds i've seen for sale at Blackpool etc since havn't been a patch on the originals that encouraged me to buy from there! What have you got there? Phil
Guest asha Posted October 4, 2008 Report Posted October 4, 2008 Hi Pjc,White is no dilute and can be receissive white,pied,griz,or a combination of 2 or 3 of these types. Receive White is just a masking cover,hiding the birds true colour and pattern.
bewted Posted October 4, 2008 Report Posted October 4, 2008 Hi Wayne, Where did you get your base Ko Nipius from,Bob Mcdonald?,Ken kippax?,if you did,i may have something down here that could well nick into them,i thought about trying myself but just have no room. I gather from your posting you like a full days racing type,which may lean towards van riel type,unless really hard day, or i might be able to persuade you have a go at Pau/Tarbes NFC which must be 640mile for you. asha,,,,when you say van riel,,,do you mean the huskyen van riel(spelling) ?
pjc Posted October 4, 2008 Report Posted October 4, 2008 sorry asha, thats what i meant which is why you can't tell what a white will throw! And again will only throw dilute if carrying the gene! Phil
kirky Posted October 4, 2008 Report Posted October 4, 2008 Also depends on what traits the cock carries. What if the cock also carries dilute? Cocks also carry another colour, don't they? I find genetic stuff very hard to grasp but fascinating.(wiseman) this is why i love my kirkpatrick family i never no what colour thay will turn out, i have a choc hen that breeds a yellow in every nest but the nest mate is aways of a diferent colour dk ch ,red, mealy, my no 1 stock pair are both pure whites but have not bred whites, always gay red pieds
Guest asha Posted October 4, 2008 Report Posted October 4, 2008 Hi Pjc,Recessive white intresting trait,as it maskes true colour and pattern on the birds feather,but more important,takes colour off iris,leaving what we fanciers usually term ,bull eye We also know pied has this intresting characteristic,but in many instances,only partly hides oringinal color on feathers ,and iris of eye leaving sections of normal colour showing in the iris. If you care to look closely at receissive white eyes,at an angle against sunlight(system shown to myself many years ago to see true eyesign)you notice the iris seems red coloured,but this is only bloodvessels. i wonder if the eyesign boys,like Albear have any thoughts on this unusual situation,and would they be able tomake any judgements on the bird in question. One other thing,you will still be able to see eyesign direct against the pupil,not colour ,but just darker shade. So any thoughts.
ChrisMaidment08 Posted October 4, 2008 Report Posted October 4, 2008 phil they are bred to conform to show standards i find them to be light boned light in waight well balanced but not to clever in homeing side maybe its ones i had who knows
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