M & D Evans Vandenabelle's

[Wiley]

hi,seen these pigeons doing well all across the country anybody know what are the best lines to have?

[Guest CS]

Wiley,

 

Get in touch with Mark Evans, ask for Catalogue, Very class pigeons,,,

[Wiley]

thanks craig,also thanks for the info on the strain the other night on msn any ideas on how to contact him to get a catalogue

[Guest CS]

You can have a look on the websites (Gaby Vandenabeele strain)

 

M + D Evans

http://www.myrtlelofts.com/

 

D & J   HAWKINS

http://www.djhawkins.com/

 

C. Lycett & Son (Mike Lycett is a member on this forum)

http://www.lycettlofts.co.uk/Index.htm

 

Gaby Vandenabeele (himself)

http://www.duiven.net/vandenabeele/

 

[Guest Paulo]

they are booked up unitl 2008 for young uns so don't think you will get directs.

[stevebelbin]

Mike Lycett has some good Vandebeeles, I got a pair of him this year and they are cracking looking pigeons.

[Wiley]

Its £75 quid a young un of mike isnt it steve,not sure think saw something like that simular on his website,if it is this is a very good price cos mike has alot of good pigeons.I might save up my Education Maintance Money(EMA) for attending sixth form lessons,for a good few weeks and possibly ave a word with mike cos he has got some of the best Vandebelles.

[Guest Paulo]

go for it and breed me some young uns off them as I am a poor man lol.

 

It is a good price for those quality of birds

[Mike Lycett]

£75 each would be the price for young out the widowers - but they're better bred than lots of people's stock pigeons.

 

As for Stock - well the chance to buy pigeons off Assassin etc has gone now.  Each & every Stock pigeon will be sold in the next 2-3 months.

 

Stock loft is closing down

 

For 2007 we're racing 15 widowhood cocks & 20 YBs - that's yer lot

 

Mike

[Wiley]

O will you be selling the stock via The RP or are they being auctioned.2-3 months i get £30 a week for attending all my lessons so i think if i go to em all during that time i could save £360 probably wouldnt be able to afford your stock pigeons cos ur vandenbelles are well known.

[stevebelbin]

Id say go for it Wiley, the birds I got from Mike are spot on, Ive not raced them as I got them for stock, but they look and feel the business  

[Mike Lycett]

Cheers.....

 

The decision has been coming for a season or two now.  Typical, just as we've moulded the best time of Stock we've ever had too. Not to worry, the children of these Stock birds (our racers) will provide our own 2007 YBs and I've more than every confidence in them - especially judging the winners they've chucked for the last few seasons.

 

Most of them are moving on privately - 3 maybe 4 will be advertised  - including Assassin.

[Roland]

Well I once read that Daykin took an ad out to say that there was only 25% Van Beele in one of his national winner. Seems he rates the Soontjen, and say that is where is sucess lies.

I see the other thread asking about Soontjen and thought rather than two. I'd just post this from his interview.

 

1st Centre Section 1st Open goes to G & S Daykin & Evans of Nottingham who have been one of the top National performing lofts in the country for quite some time. However, this is the first time that I (Les) have had the opportunity to talk to Gary Daykin about his pigeons and systems. We had a very long conversation, which I really enjoyed, and during that time I think we covered most things about racing. Anyway, the latest National winner is a Soontjen/Vandenabeele blue cock that also won 1st National as a yearling in 05 so there is now a double 1st National winner in the loft. Gary was saying that fanciers from around the country think that this is a partnership name that sounds like a solicitor’s! The pigeons are now all down to Gary since his father became unable to attend to the lofts so the thoughts that people have on there being a big team around these lofts are not correct. This was Gary’s first race with the BICC and it only came about because of the circumstances surrounding racing this year. However, if he can manage the long round trip to his nearest marking station he will be sending again.

This year the pigeons have not had the work that they should have had because Gary does not race in the weekly clubs and feds, consequently they have only had two inland races with the MNFC prior to this race. For this season the pigeons are being raced on the roundabout with a team of between 60/70 being available. The system is working quite well even though there is more work involved and for this race both hens and cocks were entered, with the cocks coming out on top. Knowing how many good performances Gary has achieved I asked about the best of them all. It didn’t take too long before he told me that it would be a toss up between Picauville and Chale, which were both fantastic results. The next question was what does it take to be a winner? “Good fanciers and good pigeons will always win whether racing on the north or south routes. You need the right tools for the job and the right pigeons for the management system that you have in place.” Gary finished by telling me about the Soontjen family and in his opinion they are something special, particularly if you have the right lines form the originals that came over. They have done a lot of winning since they came into the UK and there is still more to come.

 

It seems hat this comes up quite a lot.

[Wiley]

thanks for everyones help

[Guest CS]

Wiley,, I forget to mention you,,, other member got Vandenabelles,,, "Roundo". He got some latebreds for sale on the topic under sale topic...

[Wiley]

yea craig already spoken to roundo mate

[Mike Lycett]

Yep-  the Gaby's do well both as 100% - but especially crossed

 

Gary Daykin crosses em well with soontjens

[Roland]

Nice play of words Mike.

Seems more like that Gary has put a cross in with his Soontjens Mike than added to his Gaby's.

Seems strange that Gary has never promoted the Gaby's as far as I recall ... Indeed going out of his way to advertise that 'A certain National' winner, the same one that won the BICC did in fact have 25% Gabys’ in it. – So does one then imply that it was the 25% that was all important, and was the reason for the now two wins? More over it makes one wonder if this one, and then other of Gary's birds are added to, or included in the 'National Winners’ supposedly won by Van of  Marks birds...!

Personally I couldn't give a pickled rat behind, but it is at the front of many good fanciers minds, whom like me just smile…

[Mike Lycett]

It takes a father & a mother to breed a National winner - whatever the parentage.

 

What I do know though is that within the last decade there's been plenty of National victories that have fallen to the Evans Vandenabeeles.  NFC, MNFC, BBC, SCSFC, BICC, UNC - they've won the lot.  

 

Pretty hard to get away from that base fact.

[Guest Paulo]

you got any young uns available now mike if so PM me please

[pender]

i know if i was on that waiting list i would cancel right now, he got 60 birds for sale to go to auction, wile he has 2 year waiting list. i would invest my money else where as there lot of good strains of birds out there just as good. One of them my mate just bought 3 pair of. and he delighted with them and only cost £80 a pair and all are g/chil of U.N.C. winners or breeders of the combine winners F. Sheader sootjens.

[swilcox]

M & D Evans have breed lots of good pigeons and not only the ones that have raced for Mr Daykins, who incidently i rate as one of the best flyers this country has.

 

However I do think sometimes people take a little too much credit away from the founder of the strain "GABY" Van De Abeele. He has created a family of pigeons that are winning in Belguim, Holland, Great Britain, Germany, America and Asian for well over 20 years now and thats takes some doing. He is still alive, still racing, still winning and still selling pigeons!!!!

 

Stuart

[pender]

And even there his father has got to get some of the credit, as it was his foundation that gaby carried on, but what i did notice is he has not been top loft in his area for last few year.

[Mike Lycett]

No - sorry no youngsters available.

 

Also, I think we get too stuck on family names.  M & D have bred generations of winners for a long time now-  they are THEIR family of pigeons now.  Just luike Gaby - he buys a Noel Lippens bred pigeon in - suddenly its a Gaby Vandenabeele pigeon

[swilcox]

Correct mike!!!!

 

Regards Mate

Stuart