Pairing for Colours is it fact

[Guest CS]

Pairings - Youngsters

Cock x Hen = Cock - Hen youngsters

 

Blue x Blue = Blue cocks - Blue hens

Blue x Mealy = Mealy cocks - Blue hens

Blue x Blue Cq = Blue, Blue Cheq cocks - Blue, Blue Cheq hens

Blue x Red = Mealy, Red cocks - Blue, Blue Cheq hens

Mealy x Blue = Blue, Mealy cocks - Blue, Mealy hens

Mealy x Mealy = Mealy cocks - Blue, Mealy hens

Mealy x Blue = Mealy, Red, Blue cocks - Mealy, Red Blue hens

Chequer = Blue Cheq cocks - Blue Cheq hens

Mealy x Red = Mealy, Red cocks - Mealy, Red, Blue, Blue Cheq hens

Blue Cheq x Blue = Blue, Blue Cheq cocks - Blue, Blue Cheq hens

Blue Cheq x Mealy = Mealy, Red cocks - Blue, Blue Cheq hens

Blue Cheq x Blue Cq = Blue, Blue Cheq cocks - Blue, Blue Cheq hens

Blue Cheq x Red = Mealy, Red cocks - Blue, Blue Cheq hens

Red x Blue = Blue, Blue Cheq, Red, Mealy cocks - Blue, Blue Cheq, Red, Mealy hens

Red x Mealy = Mealy, Red cocks - Mealy, Red, Blue, Blue Cheq hens

Red x Blue Cheq = Blue, Blue Cheq, Red Mealy cocks - Blue, Blue Cheq, Mealy, Red hens

Red x Red = Mealy, Red cocks - Mealy, Red, Blue, Blue Cheq hens

 

[birdman55678]

Have you check to see what the percentages of each color will be over say a two year period?

[Wiley]

lol how comes theres no whites on the list??

[Guest beautyhomer]

Although theoretically correct a lot of these pairing rely on at least one of the parents being heterozygos for one or more genes.In reality some of the possible colours are unlikely to happen.

[peterpau]

No blacks either

Black x Red = ??????????????????

I know the answer 2nd sec 20th open.......................

[symbro]

whites are either recessive white or a combination of grizzle/red ash (what you call mealy)

 

blacks are spread blues...

 

he did not use these two examples because they are not related to the base colours of redash, blue, brown.  dominate to recessive respectively.

 

it is important to know that redash is more dominate than blue... and a cock carries two colour genes while a hen only carries one.  a really good example of this is a red ash cock who is hethro for wild type blue.  

 

when this cock is mated to a red hen then all cock babies will be red due to the fact that the hen passes on her red gene to all cocks... now the hen babies will recieve the hen gene from the dame and a colour gene from the cock.  as i said he was hetero for blue, so hens have the possibility of getting a red or blue gene from the cock.  therefore 100% red cocks (half will be homo red and half will be hetro red with reccessive blue)

 

same cock mated to a blue hen will produce 50-50 of both cock and hen babies.  this is because the hen passes on her blue to all the cock babies but the colour depends on wither the cock passes on his red gene or his blue gene.  hens are 50-50 for the same reason cept the hen passes on her hen gene.

 

colour is very interesting and i can answer most questions... feel free to post it here and i will answer.

[REDCHEQHEN]

whites are either recessive white or a combination of grizzle/red ash (what you call mealy)

 

blacks are spread blues...

 

he did not use these two examples because they are not related to the base colours of redash, blue, brown.  dominate to recessive respectively.

 

it is important to know that redash is more dominate than blue... and a cock carries two colour genes while a hen only carries one.  a really good example of this is a red ash cock who is hethro for wild type blue.  

 

when this cock is mated to a red hen then all cock babies will be red due to the fact that the hen passes on her red gene to all cocks... now the hen babies will recieve the hen gene from the dame and a colour gene from the cock.  as i said he was hetero for blue, so hens have the possibility of getting a red or blue gene from the cock.  therefore 100% red cocks (half will be homo red and half will be hetro red with reccessive blue)

 

same cock mated to a blue hen will produce 50-50 of both cock and hen babies.  this is because the hen passes on her blue to all the cock babies but the colour depends on wither the cock passes on his red gene or his blue gene.  hens are 50-50 for the same reason cept the hen passes on her hen gene.

 

colour is very interesting and i can answer most questions... feel free to post it here and i will answer.

 

its too confusing   :o

 

[symbro]

No blacks either

Black x Red = ??????????????????

 

a black cock paired with a red hen:  this is more complicated than you can believe.  from the outset i can tell you that the cock would be homozygous blue.  meaning he carries two blue genes.  the hen is hemizygous red, meaning she carries one hen gene and one red gene.

 

again all cocks will have  a red colour and all hens produced will be blue.  

 

but then we have to think about the spread gene that is turning the blue cock into a black.  if he only carries one spread gene (heterozygous spread /w wildtype) then he will have a fifty percent chance of passing on his spread gene to both hen and cock babies.  spread red is a pearly colour with (usually) a bit of the bar showing through)

 

then we can consider the pattern part. parterns are completely seperate from colour.  because the cock is a spread blue, his pattern is hidden.   you could get an idea of what his pattern is by looking at his parents and siblings.

 

patterns range from dark check (called velvet or t-pattern) to light check to bar to barless.  again dominate to recessive repectively.  two barred birds paired together could never produce a check but could produce a barless.  two light checks together can produce light checks, barred or barless but never t-pattern.

 

these have all been tested and most times a baby is produced that does not match the parenting is due to another cock treading the hen.

[symbro]

 

its too confusing   :o

 

haha takes time.  but once you get the basic idea and look at your own birds, it becomes more clear.  then you go back and read some more...

 

when i was younger my dad, who also raised pigeons, told me that checks produced bars and bars produced checks.  it was a sad day when i had to go back and tell him the truth!  :*)

[REDCHEQHEN]

Red cheq hen - blue cock, produced a barless mealie, is that likely to happen again

[symbro]

you did not mention what pattern the blue cock was.

 

if it is a true barless baby then both parents are carrying a reccessive barless but showing check.  this gives you a 25% chance of having barless babies. red barless are cocks.  blue barless hens

 

if the cock is barless himself then that ups the percent to 50.

 

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red barless looks very similiar to red spread.  if it is spread then the cock bird is not the sire of the young.

[REDCHEQHEN]

blue bar cock

[symbro]

ok so the hen is: check/barless

and the cock: Bar/barless

 

by the way the hen only has one colour gene but two pattern genes

 

percentage wise

50% check (check//bar or check//barless)

25% barred (bar//barless)

25% barless (barless//barless)

 

if you draw a 2X2 square and but the cocks bar and barless above each sqaure and then but the each of the hens genes two next two each row.  then you will see how i came up with those percentages.  there are only four possibilites for these two birds to pass on thier pattern genes... the hen will pass either check or barless while the cock passes on either barred or barless.

 

 

[Speedy Ste]

I am going to pair up a pure white logan hen, with a blue pied cock.  Should get some really nice colour young birds ;D

[birdman55678]

 

 

ok so the hen is: check/barless

and the cock: Bar/barless

 

by the way the hen only has one colour gene but two pattern genes

 

percentage wise

50% check (check//bar or check//barless)

25% barred (bar//barless)

25% barless (barless//barless)

 

if you draw a 2X2 square and but the cocks bar and barless above each sqaure and then but the each of the hens genes two next two each row.  then you will see how i came up with those percentages.  there are only four possibilites for these two birds to pass on thier pattern genes... the hen will pass either check or barless while the cock passes on either barred or barless.

 

 

Its great to see a genetics expert on here.  Great input and please continue.  thanks. Ed

[symbro]

you already had one... beautyhomer knows more than i do.

[birdman55678]

That might be right, but your imput is the first I have seen.. Ed ;D ;D

[Guest beautyhomer]

you already had one... beautyhomer knows more than i do.

 

Thanks for the compliment symbro :B :B

 

However I think you know as much as me and between us we can answer most questions.

 

Andrew

[Ronnie]

ok so ive just paired a red cock with a check pied hen.What can i get from this pairing?Only asking because they seem to be the only pair ive got that look pleased to be together.

[symbro]

well i didnt know anything about pied... and after doing some research... i still dont know anything.  :*)

 

it appears that pied is not totally figured out yet... maybe someone else knows more about it.  

 

what colour is the pied hen?

[mO]

may I ask what I can expect from a Mealy cock x Black hen

thanks in advance mO.

[Guest REDFOXKRAUTHS]

what about silvers,yellows,grizzles,whites blacks pieds

[Ronnie]

she is a bluck check with lots of white

i will try and get a pic on later if i can find my camera

[Ronnie]

Sorry Blue check hen.

[symbro]

may I ask what I can expect from a Mealy cock x Black hen

thanks in advance mO.

 

that is a hard one.

Mealy Cock is what i call a red bar.  cocks carry two genes for colour. He can either be red/red or red/blue

Black hen is just a blue coloured bird with the spread gene.  therefore we can not say for sure what pattern is under the black... if you know the parents of the black bird and other siblings we can make an educated guess on what pattern is hidden under the spread.

 

if cock is red/red then all babies will be red.  if cock is red/blue then half of the birds wiill be red and half will be blue.