Racing clocks

[DEEJAY]

For you that race pigeons, which racing clocks are the best today and why and I'm talking about the electronic clocks!  Also what are the rules as far as placement of these electronic pads, I see some that are huge which may give a flyer an advantage in clocking in his birds, so why isn't the size a standard which all flyers would have the same size landing pad, say for instance a four pad senser with the same dimentions installed at a fixed place in the loft usually in front of the trap! The idea of electronic clocking has brought me back to the sport, knowing that you don't have to be right there to clock your bird is a plus for many people that have kids sporting events to attend plus other family events that will never have to be missed because of the electronic clocking!  Hopefully then my kids and grandkids will continue to take up the sport of racing so it continues to grow! Soon to be in the sport God Willing! 8)

[peterpau]

Sadly no ETS in England yet people still want to live in the dark ages

[Guest TAMMY_1]

Sadly no ETS in England yet people still want to live in the dark ages

 

THOUGHT IT WAS MEANT TO BE THERE NEXT YEAR ?

[birdman55678]

For you that race pigeons, which racing clocks are the best today and why and I'm talking about the electronic clocks!  Also what are the rules as far as placement of these electronic pads

 

Here is Washington State in the Puget Sound Concourse we use the Unikon ETS.

Here is a link to it.  " http://www.cbspigeon.com/ ".  The Pad or ring sensor must be a minimum of 1/2 in the loft.  The pad itself is approximately 10" by 5" and will pick the band up threw a piece of 3/4" plywood.  I have the plywood over mine so it probably will read threw much thicker but for a fact it reads threw the 3/4.  Any other questions I will be happy to answer if I can.  Oh one more thing about the Unikon is the connections are much stronger than the benzing and thats the only two I am familiar with.  You can put as many pads together as you want to.  Ed

[Beanz]

Race pigeons myself not clocks.

[DEEJAY]

Birdman thankyou for the helpful information you provided!  Beans what good was your post no help at all---you race pigeons not clocks just sounds dumb, you can't race without some sort of clock, clocks matter whether for training or racing and i see the electronics as the future of the sport, and a good tool to measure the training of the birds kept!   Please be helpful and not so arrogant and nasty, there are enough people in the world like that, soon to be, Yours in the sport! Have a nice day!

[Beanz]

Deejay, Sorry no offence it was only a joke I was at work on nights and your mind goes numb, As stated on here the ETS is not accepted in this country yet, personally I am not bothered if it comes in or not, the best pigeon will still win it will only benefit multi drops. There are good and bad points and so when it does come in will be up to the individual fancier what they want to do.

[DEEJAY]

Sorry if i came on too strong Beans hard to tell if someone is joking around or not so forgive me please, now as for the clock question for those that know are you required to buy a certain brand of clock that your club uses or do all the clocks have the same interface no matter what brand you use?   Curious because it is a big investment! Also do the various clubs have clocks that can be rented or used for the newest of members?

[Beanz]

Deejay,

           No problem, as I said we don't use ETS but our club got a grant 2 seasons ago for 10 T3 clocks, a printer and a laptop so members can borrow these and they are all almost brand new so should be no problems.

[Roland]

PeterPau, that is a rather silly and bias, post. And negative if you think  it would *expletive removed* a point to be changed. As far as I see, and am aware that is the very silly comment that makes them dig their heels in more. May I suggest that be because 'Ideals' don't suit you, or your way of thinking, that you curb your tongue and not insult others because they think different than you! I agree they are a good thing... but what they precieve to be is what one has to combat, and them senseless remarks, that obviously don't and can't achieve any thing are best left to insult others in your own circles.

[Roland]

Can't see, or believe there is an *expletive removed sign there as I never wrote a swear word or degrading comment etc. Still must be above my thinking somewhere lol.

[Roland]

It is more what people percieve that it will - wrong or wrongly - firstly take away and deter their enjoyment as they see it. It is a realistic truth that only the better position and better off persons they will be able to afford, and or able to have due to their lofts being in a secure place. and many will have to keeping taking and charging batteris etc. etc. etc.

Over the last 6 years I have had many a debates, and all pro ET's, whether Canada, The Usa and here, YES ALL, just spout with their fingers in their ear' about the 20 - 100 odd reasons why it is a good thing. What they all fail - selfishly - to take aboard is the real fears and beliefs of the anti. The odd few they do take aboard are they ones they think they can smarily answer.

Don't bother trying to sell to the converted. 98% of all fanciers, here and abroad know the good things and reasons for them being installed.

Try for once the 'Pro Mob' and listen to the 'Grass roots' of our sports, the MAIN mobb that fil the coffers of the more afflable and LISTEN instead of spouting and insulting. PERHAS some may even be able to come up with solutions.

I have had first hand knowleagde both here and abroad! Are they a good thing... of course, would Ivote for them No, not in the next 10 years. But money means they WILL e here long before that. End of discussiona as far as I am concened because I've trod that road for far too long to waste time trying to put sensible aguments to many with cloth ears.

[Guest]

Good for you Roland i acould,nt have said it better myself but dont be led into doing the same as the big money grabers do thease people use the system and are at least entilted to air their questions after we know we wont stop it coming but at least the RPRA will have proper ruls in place before anyone can use it not like the SHU 5YRS LATER

[Chatrace]

I like my Benzing and it is what the whole club uses so easy for everyone to read out. Your club should let you know what kind everyone has so a new club systen doesn't have to be bought

[birdman55678]

now as for the clock question for those that know are you required to buy a certain brand of clock that your club uses or do all the clocks have the same interface no matter what brand you use?   Curious because it is a big investment! Also do the various clubs have clocks that can be rented or used for the newest of members?

 

DeeJay........

You will have to have a certain kind of clock and the e-bands to go along with it.  Non of them will interchange.  It is best to find out from your club what you will need.  The club clocks will only service there own kind.  Best of luck DeeJay.  Ed

[Roland]

Remember well the 'Solar Clock' and the hassle trying to introduce them. Was good enough for 'Space' etc. whee it was put into place with great effect.

Guaranteed not to lose of gain a second PER YEAR! Cost *! about a 1/5th of the new ones - last tried in 1986 to be put into use. Less than a decent second hand one! It was thrown out each time ... I was at the meeting the East Midlands meeting the last time I recall it not being entertained! Why! Well one can only speculate that position / money talks louder than what is best for all where it don't suit certain parties.

[Roland]

These Clocks have no moving parts ... and there fore very little if any maintaince needed. I'd wager now - as then that if the affluent, money makers, had a reason or cause to have their ---- besides an advantage - they would be in every loft today. That I believe is nigh a certainty. But Money would have been lost ... by other concerns.

[DEEJAY]

:)Thank you for all your comments and input really helps a lot! One question though, It's the electronic clock system which has made me consider getting back into the hobby and I've heard so much paranoia over this, Why don't the clubs just have races for both  kinds of clocks? Also i remember that when i was young people hated to compete with flyer's that sent teams of birds like 20 or more to a local race which makes it hard for the new member which can only send in a few birds, have clubs addressed this so everyone competes on the same level and let the birds do the talking so to speak! Sorry if I'm rambling on here just excited for me and my grandsons which are very young as yet 6,6,8 win or lose it's the raising and racing the birds I love!  Or will i be disappointed in the racing sport as flown today! :)

[Ian McKay]

Hi Deejay I sent you a pm did you recieve it.

Cheers

Ian

[NANCYVIEWLOFTS]

pigeon racing is a 24/7 sport as we all know

clocking in is just 1small part of it

we dont work on our birds all week just for the thought of catching our birds on return from a race      Our enjoyment is got by exercising them training them motivating them taking them to the club for marking and having banter with fellow members and the most exciting part is those few seconds when we spot one of our birds finishing to the loft  thats makes your throat dry and goose pimples all over

CLOCKING yes quicker the better but hey the adrenelin rush is all ready over

the next excitement is going to the club to see how youve done if you win GREAT if not lick your wounds and come out fighting the next week

in conclusion CLOCKS come in all shapes and sizes and there is only a few secs beetween them all

we personally would welcome ets as we think its a step forward

but we are quite happy as things are

[Roland]

When a ruling, that cannot ever be revoked - or within 30 years - becomes obsolete, is put into place that says. 'Every bird clocked by an ET has a penalty of 20 seconds added FOR each bird, and not JUST the first one' and those that just want them for their personal likes and quims (or so they’d have you believe) agree and say 'Yes that is a fair and honest rule' then progress will begin to happen. And remember that the more ‘Trap Shy’ manual birds become the better for them in reality! Before any one disagrees, YES! in REAL term there is at least that on an average. I'd love for this bias commentator that that is far fetched to be timed. Also the simple fact is then added that if they want it, and it is seen to be fairer and they aren't only want it for constant quicker and better trapping, why sure they would agree. Ok they would now... just to get it in, but would soon holler aloud that they were being penalised, and 'IF other wants it they can buy it' crap scenario.

Ring WILL / would soon go up ad that is a fact. Once everyone that could afford one has one... why they'd be able to add 20p here and there with no sweat! And as they were interest in what is then BEST for the birds, why they won't have a leg to stand on.

But of course the first part will never happen. Why, because they would overwhelmingly be afraid that a Good Manual. Of couse the clock don’t make a bird a winner… but can surely help!

[expat1]

Hello

There has been all sorts of Rubbish wrote in the Pigeon weeklies about the ETS clocking but except for a few fanciers in Scotland none of these downing the ETS has used it in Competition, so all they talk about is purly guess work of what may be or what they think may be but the simple fact is they do not know

I can tell you it is a great product More relaxing for both Pigeons and Fanciers and it has other virtues as well

Saying this there are downsides at least where England and ETS is concerned

The way of the English Racing with Open Races and Members belonging to several clubs it can and will bring problems if the ETS is not made in a Compatable way. Meaning that all ETS clocks and the Master clocks have to be compatable with each other. Without Compatablity a lot of problems will arise

expat1

[Guest shadow]

Hello

There has been all sorts of Rubbish wrote in the Pigeon weeklies about the ETS clocking but except for a few fanciers in Scotland none of these downing the ETS has used it in Competition, so all they talk about is purly guess work of what may be or what they think may be but the simple fact is they do not know

I can tell you it is a great product More relaxing for both Pigeons and Fanciers and it has other virtues as well

Saying this there are downsides at least where England and ETS is concerned

The way of the English Racing with Open Races and Members belonging to several clubs it can and will bring problems if the ETS is not made in a Compatable way. Meaning that all ETS clocks and the Master clocks have to be compatable with each other. Without Compatablity a lot of problems will arise

 

 

I am pleased that at last your mail has clarified a question I have been asking for sometime about the compatability of diferent makes of ETS other people I have asked could not answer it. So that means if a fancier flies in thier own club and all the specialist clubs eg, NFC MNFC etc all must use one system only!

expat1

 

 

[expat1]

Hello

Regarding the ETS. Let me say this Compatability is needed in the English style of racing as i have said several fanciers belong to different clubs and federations plus National

What this means is this if the RPRA or indeed any other Union does not bring in Compatability then there will be all sorts of problems. First you have a ETS clock. to use that clock you have to have Antennas of which the pigeons walk over to register the time. To set these ETS clocks you have a Master Clock now if the Masters of all the types of ETS used on the market today are not compatable with every make of ETS then there is a problem A club cannot have a master clock for every make of ETS so what is needed is that all clocks and all masters work with each other and at the present time they do not. Many of you will go to Blaclpool this weekend. Be sure to ask a very important couple of Questions to the sales people selling the ETS

When they give you a price for a System. ask them for that price can i now set it up and time in with the system you have offered me at this price, the price bit is very important

Secondly and more important Will the Master of the ETS system you are selling me set and can it be used on every make of ETS. If you do not ask these questions then it will be your own fault if things do not work out. I can continue to say more but this is enough for one post,

expat1

[Roland]

Et are able to time in from 2 or more races on the same day, and are able to send direct to the club(s) the times they timed in.

I have seen many ET's in action for your infomation Expat1 one. And in this country to. Like I repeat, they are over the seaon(s) an advantage. Just birds becoming trap shy means that they have an advantage alone. And the more the manual clocker clocks in the more the likelyhood of it being even better and longer.

So that seriously needs addressing as I have said. In fact my last post on here covered much, and after 6 years of debating I have yet to see any eveidence of any 'PRO ET' person giving any credit where credit is due.

Sure for those that can it is a great thing! But for many reason, and varied many can't. So untill one is fair, and seen to be fair the status Qua will remain. Indeed I believe 100% that the majority, obviously not all, but in the main, the pro ET club members are extremely selfish and uncaring. Very much 'Bully for Me and Tough on Him'. They, like you Expat can see, let alone understand the larger picture, and / or what it concieves to be.

Would I like a ET... I'd love one! Would I vote for it... not in the next 5 years!