Guest Owen Posted March 21, 2009 Report Posted March 21, 2009 LnK you must be one of the few who actually read what les wrote. Good for you. However you are wrong about the way that hawks kill. Sparrow Hawks actually eat their prey alive. I know this for sure I have seen it often enough. I think it is possible that Goshawks do the same but I am not 100% on that because I have never seen them killing at close quarters. It's the Peregrine that kills quickly and cleanly by severing the main nerve cord behind the head. He does this with the pointed bit at the end of his beak. The bird is dead instantly.
NW USA Posted March 21, 2009 Report Posted March 21, 2009 At least you bring a sense of humor with your over active imagination. P.S. its the little guys you need to be wary of.
les Posted March 21, 2009 Report Posted March 21, 2009 At least you bring a sense of humor with your over active imagination. P.S. its the little guys you need to be wary of.correct ,i was a jockey and i also played scrum half for my towns rugby team .ATB les.
Guest Posted March 21, 2009 Report Posted March 21, 2009 ok we just let all the hawks kill our pigeons ,and then kill all the pigeons that dont make the mark .that means the pigeons are just waisted , im not sick i do what works ,killing pigeons for no reason is sick in my eyes. i can see exactly what you are saying without saying it on open thread les
NW USA Posted March 21, 2009 Report Posted March 21, 2009 I don't doubt you were a jockey, every one I've ever known had more balls then good sense.
les Posted March 21, 2009 Report Posted March 21, 2009 i can see exactly what you are saying without saying it on open thread lesi have nothing to hide frank , im different than your norm ,what ever may come my way i deal with it one way or a nother ,[but it always gets delt with]
Guest Posted March 21, 2009 Report Posted March 21, 2009 i have nothing to hide frank , im different than your norm ,what ever may come my way i deal with it one way or a nother ,[but it always gets delt with] spot on but walls have ears as they say there are more than pigeon fanciers watch this site better to just deal with a situation than broadcast it
les Posted March 21, 2009 Report Posted March 21, 2009 spot on but walls have ears as they say there are more than pigeon fanciers watch this site better to just deal with a situation than broadcast itfrank ,to be totaly honist that is excatly why the hobby is in decline ,every body wants to hide things insted of confronting them head on and show we wont be messed with ,then we wont get walked over and sh** on .just my view and what has worked for me for 49 years ATB les.
NW USA Posted March 21, 2009 Report Posted March 21, 2009 conspiracy theories abound.............PETA and Pam Anderson are on to you now King Les.....
les Posted March 21, 2009 Report Posted March 21, 2009 conspiracy theories abound.............PETA and Pam Anderson are on to you now King Les.....if you see them give them my regards ,and let them know [i DONT GIVE A *expletive removed*]
NW USA Posted March 21, 2009 Report Posted March 21, 2009 Honest question for you Les, are pigeons flyers harrassed and discriminated against by the different government agencies?
les Posted March 21, 2009 Report Posted March 21, 2009 Honest question for you Les, are pigeons flyers harrassed and discriminated against by the different government agencies?when you say goverment agencies ,can you be a bit more precise ,ie what ones.
NW USA Posted March 21, 2009 Report Posted March 21, 2009 Thats what I'm asking....do pigeon fanciers there feel especially put upon by regulatory authorities? so any of them a particular pain to you?
les Posted March 21, 2009 Report Posted March 21, 2009 Thats what I'm asking....do pigeon fanciers there feel especially put upon by regulatory authorities? so any of them a particular pain to you?to me personaly all of them ,even our own governing body ,but i cant speek for any one else ,any particular reason you ask a question like this .
NW USA Posted March 21, 2009 Report Posted March 21, 2009 Just wondering if flying pigeons there is made difficult by local councils or other govt. authorities. You seem to have a chip on your shoulder about rules. I don't have any problems where I live as no one tries to impose there will on the sport.
les Posted March 21, 2009 Report Posted March 21, 2009 Just wondering if flying pigeons there is made difficult by local councils or other govt. authorities. You seem to have a chip on your shoulder about rules. I don't have any problems where I live as no one tries to impose there will on the sport. im going to continue this tommorow night if that is ok with you ,only one of my faviourit films is just started on the tv ,[the deer hunter ]and ill be of line fore the next 3 and a half hours ATB les.
Guest Owen Posted March 21, 2009 Report Posted March 21, 2009 les, you are so right. I have been fed up for years at the secrecy of the sport. Surely it is much better to hit the problems head on so that we can at least get into a strong position. Besides, we need to publicise the sport so that we can get more people involved. At the moment we have too many tired old men who can't see why anything should change. One of the best things about this Forum is the fact that there are women and younger people included. I am 71 myself and my time is limited, no doubt. I read Stev Patrick's views on prizes, just today. And he was explaining the way the Belgiums do things. Maybe it is not what we want but at least we should look at new ideas to try to keep everybody involved and interested. I know that I would hate to think that the sport would die altogether, because of our refusal to change.
LnK Posted March 21, 2009 Report Posted March 21, 2009 LnK you must be one of the few who actually read what les wrote. Good for you. However you are wrong about the way that hawks kill. Sparrow Hawks actually eat their prey alive. I know this for sure I have seen it often enough. I think it is possible that Goshawks do the same but I am not 100% on that because I have never seen them killing at close quarters. It's the Peregrine that kills quickly and cleanly by severing the main nerve cord behind the head. He does this with the pointed bit at the end of his beak. The bird is dead instantly. Thanks mate. I flew hawks and falcons for many years. Yes sparrowhawks do get eager and start the wholeplucking and eating process while it's victim is still alive, this usually happens with young hawks or very hungry ones. Anyway, dunt realy matter I suppose coz top and bottom line is either way we don't want them getting our pigeons. Have a good season mate, and all the best. Lee
just ask me Posted March 21, 2009 Report Posted March 21, 2009 Thanks mate. I flew hawks and falcons for many years. Yes sparrowhawks do get eager and start the wholeplucking and eating process while it's victim is still alive, this usually happens with young hawks or very hungry ones. Anyway, dunt realy matter I suppose coz top and bottom line is either way we don't want them getting our pigeons. Have a good season mate, and all the best. Lee intresting to know have u ever seen anything in your time to turn a hawk falcon off its prey
pjc Posted March 21, 2009 Report Posted March 21, 2009 intresting to know have u ever seen anything in your time to turn a hawk falcon off its prey Yes, 2 barrels!
just ask me Posted March 21, 2009 Report Posted March 21, 2009 Yes, 2 barrels! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D there me trying to be serious for once
ALF Posted March 21, 2009 Report Posted March 21, 2009 THE WAY I LOOK AT IT ONLY THE BEST SURVIVE BUT THEN AGAIN SPENCER I DONT BUY PIGEONS TO SELL THEM AND MAKE MONEY FROM THEM!!!
pjc Posted March 21, 2009 Report Posted March 21, 2009 THE WAY I LOOK AT IT ONLY THE BEST SURVIVE BUT THEN AGAIN SPENCER I DONT BUY PIGEONS TO SELL THEM AND MAKE MONEY FROM THEM!!! lol
LnK Posted March 22, 2009 Report Posted March 22, 2009 intresting to know have u ever seen anything in your time to turn a hawk falcon off its prey No, Sparrowhawks and peregrines are masters of the sky. The only time they can be put off is when they are juvenile but they soon learn how to handle themselves. Crows are always good for mobbing are spoiling the hunters chances but crows are alsso as unwelcome around the loft. There's nothing that can be done to stop a peregrine, though peregrines won't strike birds that are sat in tree's. Sparrowhawks are a little more gun-ho, a bit brainless, a manned (trained) sparrowhawk can be encourageed to tackle anything, they are just built to kill. However they will also try and break through anything in flight. A good technique that I once witnessed was to keep a greefinch/canary or diamond dove behind some plate glass in the avairy of the pigeons. Sparrowhawks cannot see this and will go 50mph head first into it to try and get the decoy. The hawk would slide down the glass into a not to a bath and drown. Plastic decoy's of any bigger bird, flashing lights high pitched noises and all the other stuff doesn't work.
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