E.T.S YES OR NO

[Chatrace]

So without a handicap worked out how can there be a race between the two type of lofts..

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Hi Again

I know right where your coming from with a handicap ruleing. All lofts are not the same in size or distance from a release point and the handler is not the same in each. Do we give a Flyer that has bad knees and can't run,has to use a caneto get to his traps to get his counter mark as fast a a younger flyer. Do we allow more time for a flyer who is off line 30 or 40 miles from the main drag or because of a mountian in his path. We also clock within 1/1000 of a yard. I do agree the atavantage of eclocking comes if you happen to get 5 or 6 birds on a drop and they all run right in.but the 1st bird has to get there .

[MsPigeon]

So without a handicap worked out how can there be a race between the two type of lofts..

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Hi Again

I know right where your coming from with a handicap ruleing. All lofts are not the same in size or distance from a release point and the handler is not the same in each. Do we give a Flyer that has bad knees and can't run,has to use a caneto get to his traps to get his counter mark as fast a a younger flyer. Do we allow more time for a flyer who is off line 30 or 40 miles from the main drag or because of a mountian in his path. We also clock within 1/1000 of a yard. I do agree the atavantage of eclocking comes if you happen to get 5 or 6 birds on a drop and they all run right in.but the 1st bird has to get there .

 

Well said Chatrace! Agree 100%!

Yours in the sport.

Carol

[Guest slugmonkey]

Dead on Bill

[robert.sutherland]

that not the problem you are referring to all excepted problems and trying to use them as reason why we should change Now try and think of something of constructive use now if you could find a way to make things fair I WOULD love to find a way to buy a ETS because my knee arent that good ether but you carent expect to have it all your own way        lets keep the sport in pigeon racing           yours in sport                    bob

[jimmy white]

WHAT RACE IS EVER FAIR,UNLESS RACING TO THE ONE LOFT.DIFFERANT WINDS, DIFFERANT DISTANCES , THATS JUST THE HAZARDS OF PIGEON RACING FOR YOU, COULD YOU HONESTLY SAY IT WAS FAIR WHEN SOMEONE IS FLYING 200 MILES FURTHER THAN THE OTHER, NO, THERES SOME THINGS WE HAVE TO ACCEPT, BUT WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE RESULT IN THESE RACES , THE UNUSUAL, THING IS THE WINNERS NOT ALLWAYS THE BEST PERFORMANCE, BUT ITS THE WINNER,[ AND THAT BY NO MEANS, MEANS ANY DISRESPECT TO THE WINNER]

[westburylofts]

 

 

AS IT HAS BEEN SAID BEFORE,

 

WILL ETS MAKE BIRDS FLY QUICKER

 

NO IT WILL NOT

 

ANYONE WHO THINKS IT WILL,

WOULD SOON HAVE TO FIND ANOTHER EXCUSE  

TO WHY THEY HAVE BEEN BEATEN AGAIN.

 

RAY

[johnny11]

Dear all

I was just wondering if you thought that if two fanciers has a T3 one has qucikstart and the other doesnt, IS IT UNFAIR THAT OTHER MAY GAIN A SECOND USING THE QUICKSTART. But that is still permitted

 

Personally feel it should be down to choice and progression

[Guest]

What is quickstart

[johnny11]

Hyacinth

A quckstart is a thimble holder that sits on top of the clock handle and it holds the two halfs of the thimble open and you just place the rubber in the middle and push the ends together and the thimble falls in the clock bucket, aids in helping you not to drop the rubber or thimble

John

[westburylofts]

 

I BELIVE THAT WHEN THE QUICKSTART  CAME OUT SOME MANY FANCIERS DID

COMPLAIN,  

 

AS DID THEY WHEN THE T3 CLOCK FIRST CAME OUT.

 

 

LIKE I SAID BEFORE  CLOCKS DONT WIN RACES  BIRDS DO

SO MANY PEOPLE USE IT AS AN EXCUSE TO WHY THEY GET BEAT WEEK AFTER WEEK.

 

WORK HARD WITH GOOD BIRDS AND GOOD MANGEMENT  AND YOU WILL WIN

 

RAY

[Guest]

WORK HARD WITH GOOD BIRDS AND GOOD MANGEMENT  AND YOU WILL WIN

 

 

Bang on ! Ray

 

[peterpau]

I recon we should have a clock at the club HQ and when you get your bird take the rubber off and run to the HQ. EASY aint it. Or have times changed?

[THE FIFER]

JUST A WEE BIT PETER  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

[andyb]

although there are some things about it that i do not agree with i.e. clocking too many pigeons in club races i have given it an overwhelming yes. to be honest i only restarted with yb's this year and i'm alredy on the verge of packing up. working in retail means my weekends off are rare and this was to be my only chance to clock in this season. saturday was a wash out but i could of lived with that - a holdover would of done but instead our pigeons were brought home on saturday and today has been superb flying weather. we would of had winning velocities around the 1200 mark and i feel robbed. i know ets would not of altered this week but at least it would of meant my pigeons were timed at the other races and not just sent

[paul l]

id love to get some info on it tryed asking for stuff 2 be sent but no joy as yet is it good is it easy 2 use ex ex can any one explane the pros and cons of haveing this system conpared to the one people ar useing all ready

                 many thanks paul

                                         new 2 sport and very noise thanks again

[paul l]

please pm and explane pros and cons of haveing this system

[mickmcgrevy]

I hesitated before I decided to type this, the reason being the majority on here seems to be in favour, and nothing being said against, and I don't want to get into a long arguement.  

 

First of all let me say this, I don't give a toss wether it comes in or not, and at this moment in time I have no intention of getting one.There a lot of reasons being given which are advantageous, and I can't argue against, I am only interested in distance racing and I can see where this system would be great.

 

This is the only thing I can see which could go against it,

 

Club racing, not many birds competing there are some good fanciers around now who are regularly getting 3, 6 10 birds together.

 

Now imagine this two fanciers side by side, one with ets the other coventional clocking, both fanciers get five birds each drop together, all trap, how many do you think the coventional clocker will clock before all are clocked on the ets system.

 

I would hazard a guess and say none, the first five positions being taken by the man with the ets. Now my next question is, how long would it be before the club was broken up and reformed keeping the ets man out? I would sugest not long, clubs are quick to be reformed for one reason or another now because someone thinks someone else has an advantage, and is winning to much.

 

Like I say I don't give a toss, you don't get them dropping in five at a time from 500 mile, so I don't have a problem with it.  

 

Mick  

[gangster]

mick youre post has some very good points , i personally would like it as i finished due to not being able to be there because of work commitments this would give me a chance but i still have to get em home, but i agree with your other points...mick h.

[gangster]

also i could not be with out em so im gonna start again  ybs next season ....missed em ....mick

[Guest slugmonkey]

I see many valid points to ALL of these arguments, we have been dealing with the same issues as all of you I think it really boils down to how your club flies in my club we have a no holds barred approach when one member gets an electronic clock and starts winning ( he was already winning ) then everyone follows suit, if someone flies a 100 bird team and starts winning ( they were already winning ) then you can bet the next year there will be 3 guys flying 100 bird teams, if someone gets a 24 bird drop and starts winning the first 23 positions using the darkening system then the next year there will be 4 guys trying the darkening system, the end result is usally the same though the guys that were tough 5 years ago when e-clock was unheard of are still winning today !!!! as I have said before I have spent thousands on birds, hundreds of hours a year cleaning lofts and designing new strategys for breeding and racing. lost many hours of sleep wondering if my birds are right, and lots of gas money and tires training birds why wouldnt I spend a little on something that GARANTEES to cut time off of the race wouldnt I be foolish to not use it

I am in this to test the performance of my birds against the birds of others when I am winning races by minutes it is probably a handling issue ( I would like to think that my birds are that much better but that would be a little concieted ) when I am winning by 10th of a second thats the birds, if I wanted to test my skills with a countermark and a manual clock I would have contests to see who could get the fastest time putting 5 counters in a clock, then we could have a masters division where you take them off of feet shaped sticks,and finally a open category where we use live birds that are strapped down have you noticed that there is no mention of CLOCKING BIRDS or RACING because thats not the sport any more we just put the rubbers in the STB and the fastest operator wins.

Innovators win, and those destined for the bottom of the sheet complain it is the same in ANY sport I have won a couple of races by having an electronic clock and don't be fooled when you beat a guy by 1/2 a second and he is using manual you know you were beaten, shake that guys hand and look him in the eye and tell him he deserved it. Sometimes the sheet dosent tell the whole story and the real fliers know this, when it occurs be man ( or woman ) enough to be gracious about your victory and start looking to next week everybody hates losing but not as much as they hate hearing why they lost !!!!

[billy_g]

WHEN ETS CAME OUT WAS NOT FOR IT BUT HAVE A CHANGE OF HEART PROGGRESS I THINK  LETS GET ON WITH IT ,BIRDS WIN RACES NOT CLOCKS OR ETS

[square_peg]

AS SOME PREVIOUS HAS SAID     I ALSO NOT  FOR OR AGAINST    I KNOW A WEE BIT ABOUT IT  NOT MUCH THOUGH   WAS JUST WONDERING WHAT HAPPENS IN DOUBLE RUNG RACES IE OPEN AND NATIONAL  HOW DO I DUPLICATE MY DOO   WHAT HAPPENS IN THE EVENT OF A POWER CUT               AS I SAID JUST WONDERING

[Guest]

AS SOME PREVIOUS HAS SAID     I ALSO NOT  FOR OR AGAINST    I KNOW A WEE BIT ABOUT IT  NOT MUCH THOUGH   WAS JUST WONDERING WHAT HAPPENS IN DOUBLE RUNG RACES IE OPEN AND NATIONAL  HOW DO I DUPLICATE MY DOO   WHAT HAPPENS IN THE EVENT OF A POWER CUT               AS I SAID JUST WONDERING

 

Duplication is a good question and one I haven't seen asked before. Do know that each race is stored seperately, so Fed and Combine both racing same day same place either 2 races, and each pigeon entered seperately, or copy of print-outs given to other organisation?

 

Clock has a battery. System can also run from a battery, but again, don't know if there is system battery back-up in event of mains power failure.

 

I am very interested because intend going for it from 2007.

[Guest REDFOXKRAUTHS]

yes ideal if your at work/no if you prefer catching the bird apon arrival

[Guest REDFOXKRAUTHS]

:'( > :'(could cost a bomb :'( > :'( :( :-/ ??) ??)