E.T.S YES OR NO

[THE FIFER]

how do u turn the hands, they are encased with a glass cap??

[PIGEON_MAN]

FIFE KING I WOULD BE INTERESTED TO KNOW WHY YOU SAY YOU WOULD NEVER USE THE E.T.S. SYSTEM,ALSO THE PEOPLE WHO HAVE VOTED AGAINST IT PLEASE LET US KNOW YOUR REASONS.

[Chatrace]

how do u turn the hands, they are encased with a glass cap??

 

 

Check for a plub in the bottom of the clock wher a wire can be pushed in to move the gear on the hands. Can be moved back for the stamp and back to good time before reporting. Also they can remove the whole side of the clock with 3 pins drilled out, we have one of those at the club to show people what we look for when we fly our Special where lots of $ is involved.

[Blue Chequer]

Quite simply, in a nutshell, IT IS NOT PIGEON RACING.  The makers have slowly been working their magic by letting clubs trial the system, letting one loft races use it (fair enough)  Now they are suggesting that Unions should comply with the Disability Discrimination Act.  Not for me thankyou and I could afford it.

[carl]

the r.p.r.a are right to keep it out i would never use it

 

Please explain why the rpra are rite to keep it out,what about disabled people ?

 

 

 

[Blue Chequer]

You don't hear Ged Jackson complaining, he has been blind for many years but still manages to race.  Obviously he has a rapport with his birds.  In my opinion when it comes in there will be fewer people keeping racing birds.  I have found that the fanciers keeping the fancy breeds are far friendlier and accept show results without any grumbles.  There is no money to win in showing and at the end of the day unfortunately this is what it is all about. The greedy are getting greedier, I know which lofts would be the first to get the system in my area, they won't be watching the birds come back, they will be cocked in the club drinking.  Same old thing leave the work to the ones who will do it and lets get as much out of the club as we can for nowt. No its not the way forward as far as I am concerned.   Blue Chequer.

[Guest]

Blue Cheq, you bring in a lot of points which are totally irrelevant to the ETS debate.

 

Disabled people don't grumble, that is in my experience, usually the exclusive domain of the very abled.

 

For the birds welfare alone, 10 out of 10.

 

If it makes life less complicated for the less abled, 10 out of 10.

 

Banning it out of sheer prejudice, 0 out of 10.

 

And everyone must comply with Disability Discrimination legislation .. its LAW

[carl]

Blue Cheq, you bring in a lot of points which are totally irrelevant to the ETS debate.

 

Disabled people don't grumble, that is in my experience, usually the exclusive domain of the very abled.

 

For the birds welfare alone, 10 out of 10.

 

If it makes life less complicated for the less abled, 10 out of 10.

 

Banning it out of sheer prejudice, 0 out of 10.

 

 

 

And everyone must comply with Disability Discrimination legislation .. its LAW

 

 

 

Well said bruno i agree 100% and im not disabled or to old,

its the not grabbing the birds everyweek that i would love to have ets for and disability of other people that would benefit from this system.

 

if people didnt want it then dont buy it,stick with your clock.

 

the bird still has to be first to win ?

 

[westburylofts]

 

Have to agree with bruno and carl on this as if it encourages 1 new fancier into

the sport it would be worth it,

 

Its the 21st century and people have to work differant shift pattents nowadays

so do you not think it is about time we in pigeon racing did the same come into

the 21st century,

as for people cheating as you have pointed out it happens and we have to do

our best to try and stop this from happening.

rule's are put in place to stop this from happening and as in life we learn by our

mistakes.

 

How many people do you all know that packed in with the birds, because

of having to work weekends, think you will find that it will be a high number.

BRING IT IN AS SOON AS POSSIABLE.

 

RAY

 

 

 

[Guest]

you never thought about disabled people until now. but because your trying to get this e.t.s through that whst everbody gose on about. i wouldnt use it because its so much dearer and it a system with so many grey areas that cause arguments .and your also taking one inportant thing out the sport is getting the rubber of and into the clock.if you cant be there on race days DONT SEND THEM

[Guest]

i wouldnt use it because its so much dearer and it a system with so many grey areas that cause arguments .

 

These comments I can agree with, Fife King.  

 

As a shift worker for 28 years, working 24/7, I find your comments on not sending birds typical of the selfish self interest of which you dare to accuse others. One of my first 'buddies' here to take me under his wing, was Rod, a local posty who worked 3 out of 4 Saturday mornings, 1030 finish at Falkirk Sorting Office, 10 minutes drive from his home. The year he quit he had just moved home, bought a new loft, moved his birds down to it, and bred himself a team of young birds, for a fresh start starting with young birds only that season. He never made it home from work in time for any of the YB  races, and he was there to time in only one. Now no Rod, no pigeons, no loft and one member less. And 'a club' didn't have me as a member for 30 years for similar reasons.

 

What's so important about retaining clocks and rubbers for pigeon racing? Could say exactly the same about needing to retain water and coal for steam locomotives...  except we have more modern ways of doing things nowadays.

[Guest shadow]

The thing that worries me is that there are several different types of ets system and if one system is picked by your club that is fine. But if the Nfc were to use a diiferent one and theMNFC  another one it will work out expensive or lose the Nationals a lot of members as afar as I can tell the systems are not compatable with each other so I will sit back and watch and see how things progress.

[Chatrace]

as afar as I can tell the systems are not compatable with each other .

 

how do you merge results now between the other clubs and or federations. I would think someone get the results and adds them to a single program. The printouts from each ETS would just be sent to be added like they are now. We here as a 8 club combine all agreed to use just one type of clock before we bought the 1st one. we do however have diffrant clocks in the federation,but the results are just typed in from our result sheets the same as clubs who still use countermarks.

[Guest]

Shadow - firstly and most importantly - where's yer monogram quality not quantity? Do we need to say now as Shadow USED to say ????????    ;D

 

Posted earlier that adopting one system was a trap. Didn't try to impose one conventional clock 'toulet' or 'benzing' or STB on fanciers, and if we had the costs per clock would have been monopoly money high.... but having said that there is one system which according to Patrick Bros, Belgium, can set and read all the others, so appears a good buy for the club master, which would be provided additionally for free by the company to the first club member that purchased one for themselves.

 

At the end of the day all the different clocks data are extracted, either from automatic prints or manual written copy, and entered into a computer, which then calculates the race result.

[Guest shadow]

Was having a laugh over monogram and as I no nothing at all about ETS was only asking a question that puzzled me ,so if i had ets could i take my loft unit that would be used for club racing and use to have my birds marked at nfc if their rmarking unit is from a differrent system

[Guest]

We used a computer programme called  Winspeed which will merge results from all the various electronic clocking systems so there should be no worries on National races.

[Guest]

Shadow, if you had a different ets system from the club, you would need to provide a base station unit, clock reader, printer and cable connections to them for setting your clock and race marking your birds. The company provide an additional set of this equipment free for your club, this is the set you would provide.

 

 

[Guest shadow]

So how much would it cost if my my ets was not compatible with theNFC and the MNFC and OPEN races, If I had for example paid £400 for my own unit.

Fly hard fly fair

[Guest]

I have been told by the first Unikon system holder in my club that the first club member to purchase a system gets 'two' for the price of one - the second set is for the club 'master'. If you spend £400 on a system which the club doesn't already have, then a second set is provided to you, for the club, free.  The cost to you is still £400.

 

 

[Pompey Mick]

I've been in the sport now since 1963 and I would imagine the introduction of the first timing clocks didn't suit everybody and I would have thought cost was more of a problem in the early days of the sport. However we need to look ahead to a computer based sport because we are living in a computer based society. Youngsters are used to working with electronics, its their way of life, Trying to get members to be 'hands on' is getting increasingly more difficult, the modern generation has a program for everything and if we want our sport to survive we need to move with the times. Up to last season my Wife had to clock 60% of my races due to work commitments and I am sure it would have saved her an awful lot of worry if I had ETS. One thing is for sure ETS won't make you a winning fancier but it might help people stay in, or join , our sport.

[snowy]

think it could be good for the sport in general, ie: new members etc

[celtic]

Pompey Mick

Anything that makes fanciers stay in the sport is good, as prevoiusly stated the E.T.S. system will not win you races, that's what we all want to do, but it will help with a multitude of problems for fanciers that can't always be there on race days, i,m a newcomer to the sport and have an old clock purely for financiall reasons , if i had the money i'd go E.T.S tomorrow

Just my opinion

Celtic  

[westburylofts]

 

Have to agree with you celtic, at the moment i have a T3 and an stb  wind up

as well.  

i will not be rushing out to buy the ETS system as the clock i have will do

me fine at the moment,

like it has been said before, if it means new members and old members returning

to the sport  then all the better.

 

it is now 2006 so lets get with it

 

ray

[Pompey Mick]

we lost an awful lot of members with the advent of road transport and the move to early libs. The amount of clearance sales due to 'work commitments' were tremendous. We may get some of those fanciers back with ETS. Also there is nothing worse than sitting around all morning waiting to hear the liberation time from the shorter races when you are frightened to leave the loft in case you miss the birds. ETS will at least give you peace of mind if you have to go somewhere.

[Guest]

i still think theres a lot off grey areas with the ets and what happens when your away from the loft and when the birds go through the trap and miss the pad .or have you got pads outside on the landing board where they cant miss the pad.and if you think that the ets will bring people back to the sport your kidding yourself on.