chocolate meulemans

[Guest TIMBARRA LOFTS]

Karel Meulemans. The simple farmer of Arendonk who successfully raced the Van den Bosch birds in the mid-fifties already reached that status relatively early in his career when he teamed up with Adriaan Wouters in 1969. The result of their cooperation, the Golden Pair 'Oude Van den Bosch x Blue Janssen' was a breeding pair the likes of which the sport had never seen before and has not since. Not just a few, but dozens of champion racers and breeders originated from this exceptional couple: 'Merckx', 'Kadet', 'Junior', 'Witneus', 'Schoon Donker', 'Liebling', 'Prins', 'Madelon', 'Benjamin', ..., the list goes on and on. The number of famous champion fanciers whose basic stock traces back to the Meulemans pigeons is equally impressive: Willy Van Berendonck, Stan Van Beemen, William Geerts, Gommaire Verbruggen, Frans Moris, Raymund Hermes, Albert Babington, ..., again too many to list.

[BLACK W F]

the facts are the most popular family is janssen more prepotent  more people winning with them more useing them as a cross  i am afraid Spencer if you where to conduct a poll the janssens would win by a mile there are no where near the lofts with JVB they have had there day  just look at the midlands their old hot bed not many lofts have them now  

cheers Alan

[BLACK W F]

no need to LEIGHTON   they are too slow for my neck of the woods  

cheers Alan

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the facts are the most popular family is janssen more prepotent  more people winning with them more useing them as a cross  i am afraid Spencer if you where to conduct a poll the janssens would win by a mile there are no where near the lofts with JVB they have had there day  just look at the midlands their old hot bed not many lofts have them now  

cheers Alan

 

 

Alan with all due respect this is your opinion and opinions will vary.

 

What birds do you have mate as I not sure what familys you race, this thread started in the manner to help someone and i know this gentleman is happy with my reply.

I am mearly just informing others of how good the VDB or Meulemans are , I believe the Janssens are just as good as are many other families of birds.

 

Which families do you race Alan..?

 

[BLACK W F]

a lot of different familys mostle janssen based for sprint/mdist and jan arden based for distance  

what do you race mate   i have the MUELMAN BOOK lent it to a friend  i believe he got rid of most of his old lines as he know races distance and they not up to par for that so the story goes

cheers Alan

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The Janssens are the best "branded " family the sport has ever seen, commercially unrivalled IMO. the Bros as well as being genius' of racing pigeons were also the same in business!

 

Spencer, i had VDB and as you know also the meulemans, i found them totally different types of birds, even the ones Bailey Bros had looked so different. Also the VDB never lasted two seasons in the loft, they failed at racing and faled at breeding. Why? who knows, just the way it goes i suppose.

[BLACK W F]

but the bros must have been great stock men as look at the modern day familys most have

Janssen blood  

cheers a lan

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but the bros must have been great stock men as look at the modern day familys most have

Janssen blood  

cheers a lan

 

Would never argue they possibly the best family of birds, but the best branded too. Of all the other great strains how many do you know that carry the origins name? You have so many "van this Janssens" (for example, for those wishing to correct me  > )but did you ever get "van this Busschaerts" or "Van this Verheyes"?? There is only one reason why someone would want to do this and thats Marketing!

 

 

[BLACK W F]

yes very true mate but they got to be winning and breeding winners out of turn before you can market them like that     at the end of the day they win and win big

cheers Alan

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Would never argue they possibly the best family of birds, but the best branded too. Of all the other great strains how many do you know that carry the origins name? You have so many "van this Janssens" (for example, for those wishing to correct me  > )but did you ever get "van this Busschaerts" or "Van this Verheyes"?? There is only one reason why someone would want to do this and thats Marketing!

 

 

 

I agree mick, alot of modern families carry originators name , just because its more well known and they dont want to lose this identity with the birds i guess.. :-/

 

 

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Agree alan they responsible for lot of winners, but are they as pure as been made out and are the modern day ones as good. Mu original post on them was bearing in mind they are a pure family why doe the modern day ones not look like the old originals?

 

Here s birds, which one ids bred By Janssen bros in last few years?

 

 

 

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Agree alan they responsible for lot of winners, but are they as pure as been made out and are the modern day ones as good. Mu original post on them was bearing in mind they are a pure family why doe the modern day ones not look like the old originals?

 

Here s birds, which one ids bred By Janssen bros in last few years?

 

 

 

 

 

 

I dont understand, if your asking which is the janssen i plug for bottom one.

 

as for why the janssens dont look like they did years ago, thats down to poor stockman ship and bad selection.

 

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I dont understand, if your asking which is the janssen i plug for bottom one.

 

as for why the janssens dont look like they did years ago, thats down to poor stockman ship and bad selection.

 

Yes which one do you think was bred by the Janssen Bros in last few years. Thats what i saying if the Janssen bros not inttroduced any new blood for 50 or so years, surely they should look the same as they did then?

 

BTW my avatar is Arjan

 

[Guest TIMBARRA LOFTS]

i would say the bottom one , i did say... but its a guess with my eye.

[BLACK W F]

i think with all familys certain fanciers cultavate  lines that they want and concentrate on them  possable that also happened with janssens  as if you look at brasspennings  those bl cheqs look like peas in a pod  look at the freek romain reds  the deprut as well  just different lines cultavated  but still the main thing is the 2 common denomanaters winners that breed winners

cheers Alan

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i would say the bottom one , i did say... but its a guess with my eye.

 

see if we get any other answers first.

 

What draws you to that one and not the others? Like i say Arjan is my Avatar, actually got to handle this cock when i was 14 or 15 (as well as irma, firske de rode zot etc), he is a typical Janssen IMO.

 

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i think with all familys certain fanciers cultavate  lines that they want and concentrate on them  possable that also happened with janssens  as if you look at brasspennings  those bl cheqs look like peas in a pod  look at the freek romain reds  the deprut as well  just different lines cultavated  but still the main thing is the 2 common denomanaters winners that breed winners

cheers Alan

 

 

 

i was right then the bottom one, as for freek romien reds, they have a large lofts full of blue cheqs ...  i have seen it,

 

[just ask me]

well most strains grow and look something else if u keep at it who breeds for looks who breeds to try make the birds look like 20 30 years ago i know i dont  aint the whole point to look the future and try make faster pigeons than what has gone before i look at the family of birds that i have and i know i dont look back as to what was winning in 80s or 90s even i want what winning today weather that be down off some super couple that he owned in 80s or 90s it does not bother me if he has a pigeon that racing well today i will try obtain as close to him or her as i possibaly can in other wards i try too look forward and not try to copy what he has done 20 years ago

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see if we get any other answers first.

 

What draws you to that one and not the others? Like i say Arjan is my Avatar, actually got to handle this cock when i was 14 or 15 (as well as irma, firske de rode zot etc), he is a typical Janssen IMO.

 

 

arjan and irma were direct janssens for Louella but you may know they were not bought direct from the brothers , they came via a third party.

 

the bottom one has something i see which i will devulge later , like you say see if anyone else spots which one.

 

 

 

 

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i think with all familys certain fanciers cultavate  lines that they want and concentrate on them  possable that also happened with janssens  as if you look at brasspennings  those bl cheqs look like peas in a pod  look at the freek romain reds  the deprut as well  just different lines cultavated  but still the main thing is the 2 common denomanaters winners that breed winners

cheers Alan

 

Alan thats what i'm saying, now i may be wrong but i was told that the Janssen Bros not introduced any other birds "successfully" in over 50 years. If that is the case they why do they not look like the old original janssens that made such a impact in the UK in the 70's/80's?

 

 

[BLACK W F]

probally some have been too far in bred  but if you look at bervadam janssens they do not look like brasspennings why is that and they do not look like the ones from the 80s i could not comment on 70s the red romains look the same as the 80s though yes i did know they had other colours

cheers ALAN

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i was right then the bottom one, as for freek romien reds, they have a large lofts full of blue cheqs ...  i have seen it,

 

yes correct romiens  have other colours butthen you should also mention the facts that they most likley from other families as they have introduced a number of other birds 2 cross in for racing... romiens originals were from albert van der flaes,  these were an ultra succesful for him and many others in the world

[gangster]

 

 

arjan and irma were direct janssens for Louella but you may know they were not bought direct from the brothers , they came via a third party.

 

the bottom one has something i see which i will devulge later , like you say see if anyone else spots which one.

 

 

 

  louella bought from liegiest i believe also from andre berte , le clerq......and i must say they bought top birds as can be seen..

 

 

[Guest numpty01]

yep bottom one carrys its wings level with its tail which shows good back it also carrys start of another bar which again points to good strengh and breeding also the darkness in the colour is relivent to vdb birds