Opinions on fanciers removing ETS rings

[OLDYELLOW]

When ETS was introduced I think the unions were so eager to slip it in the back door that they failed to recognise an opportunity to take some of the revenue away from the businessmen who are ruining pigeon racing. The Unions should have insisted that all ETS rings were sold through them.

A combined ring would help address this issue but surely we would not be asking a non ETS fancier to pay for a chip he would not use.

 

 

Unions could offer both choices of ring and clubs could order either rings with transponders or without each member would need to state ring type required .

 

[OLDYELLOW]

new response from Bricon :

It is not correct to state that a lot of pigeons return without transponders from races or even training tosses. I myself never lost any in the 8 years ETS in Belgium (with a minimum of 100 pigeons each year). Also a pigeons transponder that is no longer entering races can be used again on another pigeon. With fixed transponders these benefits will disappear. Another reason is the compatibility, yes there is a compatibility between the systems. But all systems work best with their own making. This is normal, an antenna is optimized to perform as optimal as possible, other transponder brands can have other variations. BRICON is always willing to participate with improving the use of ETS, that includes some customized features for the Unions.  Don’t forget that the discussion of adding the transponder to the life ring has been going on for 10 years and the conclusion is still that a separate transponder is the best option for the Fancier.

Best regards,

 

[OLDYELLOW]

well i guess as long as they sell more rings then its not to there benifit not to make them unremovable , i have invited Bricon to the site to view this threaD

[Roland]

In a word 'Dispicable'. Why is it done... surely some anti ET's having a childish pop.

Will it stop? Will the sun circle tomorrow!

[T_T]

If your so low as to take an ETS ring from any other pigeon, when it comes up for you to re-register it, the club secretary who registers and scans ours in, should notice straight away that it's been allocated before and throw it out, along with giving you a lecture of fair play. That's how it should be in an ideal world, but- - - - - - - - - - -.

[Guest chrisss]

people removing rings are sad , and these people of the anti ets brigade should be ashamed of there actions as unbecoming of a true sportsman , i dont have ets just yet but when im happy that all the issues around it have been solved i will gladly install one i have the power supply ready . I try to get all strays that enter my loft nearer to home be it north or south no mater how many rings are on the birds ets and alike , i believe some fanciers have even had adress rings removed before as well . These people should respect other peoples property and treat them as i do as if there were my own .

 

well said

[Guest spin cycle]

In a word 'Dispicable'. Why is it done... surely some anti ET's having a childish pop.

Will it stop? Will the sun circle tomorrow!

 

i think it will stop...but ets will have its enemies because of how it was introduced...'you reap what you sow'. people stealing them could be overcome by tel. nos printed on...perhaps? i've a stray with et ring and phone sticker and i think thats a good idea. i'm just waiting for the 'you can keep/bin the bird but i want the ring'

[OLDYELLOW]

 

i think it will stop...but ets will have its enemies because of how it was introduced...'you reap what you sow'. people stealing them could be overcome by tel. nos printed on...perhaps? i've a stray with et ring and phone sticker and i think thats a good idea. i'm just waiting for the 'you can keep/bin the bird but i want the ring'

 

Just tell them you cant take the ring off but if you send £32 you can have it back

[Guest chrisss]

 

i think it will stop...but ets will have its enemies because of how it was introduced...'you reap what you sow'. people stealing them could be overcome by tel. nos printed on...perhaps? i've a stray with et ring and phone sticker and i think thats a good idea. i'm just waiting for the 'you can keep/bin the bird but i want the ring'

 

i have had that "chat" twice this year both birds were off a"first fed "mate, but were so good they were not interested in getting the birds back just the ets rings, i told them the ring stays on the bird and you can have them both back,any pigeon is worth more than a poxy ring, and to my mind if you find that idea hard you should not have birds, right or wrong i never take the rubber off a bird,sometimes if you do, and the bird gets home, the first thing the owner looks at is his/hers leg and if the rubber is off that means its been in, and they nut it

[Guest]

just heard on wed about people turning up with ets rings that when put over the scanner it read a gb bird and this was a shu club didnt know that you could do that does it actualy give you the bird it was regerstered too? any way its discusting ian not for ets but think its sh--- ive had 3 birds come back to me this year with the phone no rings removed no need for that either

[steve]

sorry in advance guys

ets is all new to me (been out the racing game for few years now)

is it not possible to have this ets put on the federation/combine rings(so only 1 ring require)

no doubt this as already been mentioned

but looks like the way to go

[OLDYELLOW]

new response from Bricon :

It is not correct to state that a lot of pigeons return without transponders from races or even training tosses. I myself never lost any in the 8 years ETS in Belgium (with a minimum of 100 pigeons each year). Also a pigeons transponder that is no longer entering races can be used again on another pigeon. With fixed transponders these benefits will disappear. Another reason is the compatibility, yes there is a compatibility between the systems. But all systems work best with their own making. This is normal, an antenna is optimized to perform as optimal as possible, other transponder brands can have other variations. BRICON is always willing to participate with improving the use of ETS, that includes some customized features for the Unions.  Don’t forget that the discussion of adding the transponder to the life ring has been going on for 10 years and the conclusion is still that a separate transponder is the best option for the Fancier.

Best regards,

 

 

[ChrisMaidment08]

 

 

looking for more sales clever man for not loseing any rings

[Tenny]

SYNICAL VIEW CHRIS

 

[me]

Can't believe some of the posts on this thread.

 

Strag pigeons i.e those that are not capable of going home to their own lofts under their own steam, have traditionally been identified by doomen by removing their "rubber", so that the owner, presuming it ever managed to find its way home, could make an "informed" decision about their bird. The guy who removed your ETS "RUBBER" from your doo is doing you a favour. Or is the ets ring more valuable than the doo? Think about it!!

[OLDYELLOW]

removing a rubber is stupid if a bird has not homed on time the owner would know unless there a complete idiot , how would the finder know exactly what race it was flying and how many birds had been clocked ? the said bird may be the only returnee the next day alas winning said club and if the race was a smash could even have won fed but no because someones seen fit to remove rubber or as in thread ets transponder ring. SO HOW ON EARTH IS THESE FANCIERS DOING ANYONE A FAVOUR??? As for the value of a pigeon to a owner , pretty worthless in above instances without rubber or ets ring.

[me]

removing a rubber is stupid if a bird has not homed on time the owner would know unless there a complete idiot , how would the finder know exactly what race it was flying and how many birds had been clocked ? the said bird may be the only returnee the next day alas winning said club and if the race was a smash could even have won fed but no because someones seen fit to remove rubber or as in thread ets transponder ring. SO HOW ON EARTH IS THESE FANCIERS DOING ANYONE A FAVOUR??? As for the value of a pigeon to a owner , pretty worthless in above instances without rubber or ets ring.

 

The above makes perfect sense if you are a complete novice and know absolutely nothing about racing doos. However most people recognise a bird that still has more to give but just decides to pop into some other dookit. Birds that go into other peoples lofts and are not run down don't win races. I would guess oldyellow your birds don't win many races, but I'm sure your ets ring collection is first rate.

 

 

[Guest]

bad news old yellow once a bird enters another loft that it is not regirested to its race is finnished so removing the rubber is the right thing to do how would you like to get beaten into 2nd place by a bird that didnt fly the whole way home i want to know if my bird has gon in to another loft so please feel free to remove rubber but removing a phone/ets ring what is that all about BADNESS!!!!!!!

[OLDYELLOW]

 

The above makes perfect sense if you are a complete novice and know absolutely nothing about racing doos. However most people recognise a bird that still has more to give but just decides to pop into some other dookit. Birds that go into other peoples lofts and are not run down don't win races. I would guess oldyellow your birds don't win many races, but I'm sure your ets ring collection is first rate.

 

 

i dont collect ets rings , i have won many races and more than willing to show my cards to anyone who calls to my house .

[OLDYELLOW]

bad news old yellow once a bird enters another loft that it is not regirested to its race is finnished so removing the rubber is the right thing to do how would you like to get beaten into 2nd place by a bird that didnt fly the whole way home i want to know if my bird has gon in to another loft so please feel free to remove rubber but removing a phone/ets ring what is that all about BADNESS!!!!!!!

 

if a bird has entered your loft it obviously flew there , its race may not have finished , and only the owner of said bird should remove its rubber, if the bird stopped of for either food or water its still flown the race ,  birds do go down if not prepaired properly and on hot days more so for water , if a fancier gets your bird in then releases it a small strip of paper with location and time slipped into the life ring will give the owner a better idea of where its been , rather than have there property removed from its leg been either a rubber or ets ring

[me]

bad news old yellow once a bird enters another loft that it is not regirested to its race is finnished so removing the rubber is the right thing to do how would you like to get beaten into 2nd place by a bird that didnt fly the whole way home i want to know if my bird has gon in to another loft so please feel free to remove rubber but removing a phone/ets ring what is that all about BADNESS!!!!!!!

 

Had a few telephone rings removed myself Frank and I would suggest the two things are completely different. If the bird has a telephone ring or is stamped you could phone, if you don't want to phone you should remove race rings and liberate when safe to do so.

 

And of course there has been a lot of controversey about some peoples doos allegedly going into other peoples lofts before being timed in so as you say they SHOULD be removed to ensure fair play. Nuff said I think.

 

 

[me]

 

if a bird has entered your loft it obviously flew there , its race may not have finished , and only the owner of said bird should remove its rubber, if the bird stopped of for either food or water its still flown the race ,  birds do go down if not prepaired properly and on hot days more so for water , if a fancier gets your bird in then releases it a small strip of paper with location and time slipped into the life ring will give the owner a better idea of where its been , rather than have there property removed from its leg been either a rubber or ets ring

 

 

Sorry this is nonsense and could be used to justify cheating by some unscrupulous types.  As in I was only helping this poor stray up the road. As I said earlier good doos win races by flying straight home at least mine do!

 

[OLDYELLOW]

by the sound of it you be the one with the collection of ets rings

[me]

by the sound of it you be the one with the collection of ets rings

 

No, indeed I alwas discard rubbers I have removed from birds that are not capable of flying home under their own steam, its only fair to the owners of such poor specimens. Most sensible fanciers appreciate its a small price to pay to learn that a particular bird is not worth its perch. That is why so many strays are on the go, birds that are not capable of flying home are mollycoddled home through stray baskets and who knows what. Was not like that in the old days and funnily enough everyone used to finish the season with only one or two losses. Think about it!

 

 

[OLDYELLOW]

very true most fanciers used to get 12 to 15 rings very few birds were lost , but its win at all costs , and to have one or two members send 100 birds a week each is more common place ,  there bound to have a few in form with far greater losses , yes there are too many paper birds about , pedigrees were introduced to inflate prices and were far away from the working mans pocket , good birds win races better to have quality over quantity any day in my view. As you say if you have taken a bird up the road near its home and helped it on its way home on the day its raced then yes the rubber should be removed , but common sense would predict that a pigeon flying home would in most cases would beat a car.

A bird can make a mistake but more fault id lie at the fanciers door but you cant tell a bird is good enough untill its done what its been bred for and thats racing , are all stray bad ? read this

 

http://www.pigeonnetwork.com/articles/A_Wonderful_Stray.html